"Win-or-go-home" from a team point of view

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percyhoward said:
In the process of the exchange, another one has come up.

Can you think of even one game in which a team passed poorly against a pass defense that didn't perform well?
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I don't have time for this nonsense start answering my questions.
 
KJJ said:
I'm making a point that the QB and HC influence the outcome of games more than anyone else on a team but that wins and losses don't fall entirely on them. If you want to keep reading something else into what I keep repeating that's your problem. Everyone shares in the blame for a loss but the QB and HC receive the brunt of the blame because they have more control over the outcome than any one individual on the team. Most of the focus is placed on a QB and HC when a team is struggling. There's a reason why several coaches will be on the hot seat entering the 2013 season and it's called a W/L record.
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There is a reason many coaches, players are on a hot seat every year, if you are not producing you will be gone. Hell if the kicker is not producing he is gone and we see it every year.

I don't disagree that a HC has a lot of influnce in wins and loses. QB has a lot to but again how often does a QB play on defense? He has no control or influence at all on defense he is not beaching players or promoting players.
QB can pretty much lose a game by himself very hard for him to win one by himself.
 
percyhoward said:
In the process of the exchange, another one has come up.

Can you think of even one game in which a team passed poorly against a pass defense that didn't perform well?
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Yes, I can. But it required some peculiar inversions of the quantum wave function and the same box into which Schrodinger put his cat.
 
Doomsday101 said:
As for who would you draft 1st? QB one it is an important position and 2 not many QB in a draft where as there are many CB and other positions players. Also depends on what a draft looks like talent wise as to who a team will go after.
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My question was if you had the #1 overall pick and had the choice between the top QB in the past decade and the top defensive player in the past decade who would you pick and why? Great QB prospects don't come a long that often and they have more control over a game than any one player on offense or defensive player. You can have a Dick Butkus and lose every week if your QB sucks. You can't win in todays game if your QB sucks. FANS can bring up Dilfer and Bad Johnson all they want but that was more than a decade ago. You can't win a championship with a bus driver or a QB who has repeated turnover issues in win or go home games.
 
percyhoward said:
Ask away.
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Give me a direct answer if you had the #1 overall pick and had the choice between the top QB in the past decade and the top defensive player in the past decade who would you pick and why?
 
KJJ said:
Give me a direct answer if you had the #1 overall pick and had the choice between the top QB in the past decade and the top defensive player in the past decade who would you pick and why?
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How many times should I say QB before it counts as an answer?
 
KJJ said:
My question was if you had the #1 overall pick and had the choice between the top QB in the past decade and the top defensive player in the past decade who would you pick and why? Great QB prospects don't come a long that often and they have more control over a game than any one player on offense or defensive player. You can have a Dick Butkus and lose every week if your QB sucks. You can't win in todays game if your QB sucks. FANS can bring up Dilfer and Bad Johnson all they want but that was more than a decade ago. You can't win a championship with a bus driver or a QB who has repeated turnover issues in win or go home games.
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1st of you claiming who can win is your opinion. I don't think you need a HOF QB to win, Flacco is not a HOF QB you may claim otherwise that is your view hell fans in Balt was moaning about Flacco the way you guys moan about Romo until now. What if Romo and the Cowboys win a SB then he all of a sudden is now a great HOF QB? He has the numbers so what add the SB and HOF here we come? You guys are something else take a team achivement and place it on one and claim greatness. Romo is a great QB capable of winning but it is only going to happen if this TEAM goes out and performs but you don't get that NO it is the QB he is going to lead us? Really when they start playing defense and special team then I will agree with you until then he only has control over 1 part of the team and even there he must get help. Montana was great but the 85 Bears made him look poor there is a lot in winning but you don't get it.

As for the draft there is only 1 QB on a team and within a draft only a small number of QB are in the draft.
 
Doomsday101 said:
I don't disagree that a HC has a lot of influnce in wins and loses. QB has a lot to but again how often does a QB play on defense? He has no control or influence at all on defense he is not beaching players or promoting players.
QB can pretty much lose a game by himself very hard for him to win one by himself.
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A QB can have a big affect on their own defense by not being effective and turning the ball over putting their defense back on the field. A QB's turnovers can cause their defense to have to defend a short field. If a QB is misfiring all day leading to a lot of short series it can contribute to their defense wearing down. How can a QB lose a game by themselves but not win a game by themselves? A 4-5 turnover performance by a QB can lose a game as easily as a 4-5 TD performance can win a game.
 
KJJ said:
I'm making a point that the QB and HC influence the outcome of games more than anyone else on a team but that wins and losses don't fall entirely on them. If you want to keep reading something else into what I keep repeating that's your problem. Everyone shares in the blame for a loss but the QB and HC receive the brunt of the blame because they have more control over the outcome than any one individual on the team. Most of the focus is placed on a QB and HC when a team is struggling. There's a reason why several coaches will be on the hot seat entering the 2013 season and it's called a W/L record.
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This is the most asinine thing I have ever read! All this tells us is that you know know nothing about the word TEAM!

The kicker can win many games for a team and has nothing to do with the QB or HC. It happens all over the NFL!

A kick off specialist can run back the first kick of a game and that is all it would take for that team to win...nothing to do with the QB or HC. It happens all over the NFL.

A CB (think Brandon Carr) can steal a victory from a team that is about to win the game (the steelers last year)...it has nothing to do with the QB or the HC. It happens all over the NFL.

An onside kick recovered to eventually go on to win a game has nothing to do with the QB or HC. It happens all over the NFL.

I could give lots of examples of how teams win that has nothing to do with the QB or HC.

A field goal kicker could go for the last minute win but the ball hits the upright and they lose. It has nothing to do with the QB or the HC. It happens all over the NFL.

Learn the game or go watch tennis or golf.
 
At the end of the day the game is about results, you can make excuses for why just about any player or coach in the league is not successful. Romo leading the league in interceptions sure didn't do the defence any favours either. One can make the argument that if Romo had the best defense in the league he would win the Super Bowl but the same could be said about numerous QB's. If Romo never wins more than a single playoff game some may find comfort that he has a high passer rating along with Rivers and Pennington and say it wasn't his fault but in the end there are no awards for potential or passer ratings or what ifs, the opportunities one has are limited and so far Romo has blown quite a few and is running out of time.
 
KJJ said:
Why would you pick the QB?
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Because the QB is the most important single position on the team.

OK, your turn.

Can you think of even one game in which a team passed poorly against a pass defense that didn't perform well?
 
KJJ said:
A QB can have a big affect on their own defense by not being effective and turning the ball over putting their defense back on the field. A QB's turnovers can cause their defense to have to defend a short field. If a QB is misfiring all day leading to a lot of short series it can contribute to their defense wearing down. How can a QB lose a game by themselves but not win a game by themselves? A 4-5 turnover performance by a QB can lose a game as easily as a 4-5 TD performance can win a game.
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The Cowboy defense was 4th worst in causing turnovers last year.
 
5Stars said:
This is the most asinine thing I have ever read!
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Then you're putting your own spin on it as usual. LOL Again show me the post were I said Romo is the "only player" important to the success of the team?
 
percyhoward said:
Because the QB is the most important single position on the team.

OK, your turn.

Can you think of even one game in which a team passed poorly against a pass defense that didn't perform well?
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As least we finally agree on something. Sometimes a team passes poorly because their QB is having a terrible day and it has little to do with how the pass defense performed. It's not like Larry Brown had play a great game and make leaping grabs to pick off Neil O'Donnell twice in SB XXX. Do you think it was a great play by Barbie Carpenter that resulted in that int off of Romo vs Detroit in 2011 or was it a bad throw by Romo?
 
KJJ said:
Then you're putting your own spin on it as usual. LOL Again show me the post were I said Romo is the "only player" important to the success of the team?
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I must have misunderstood you. As a Cowboy FAN I just thought you were sticking up for Romo and Garrett?

My bad...carry on.
 
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