Without Zeke we’re a 8-8 team at best

[ShiningStar]

Too much of the offense's production revolves around one player. Whether that is by design or talent, it's still a flaw. It's about balance of talent across the roster, not play selection.

at lot of it ws failed wbc. than once they got amari some things opened up but SL refused to let it flow. if it worked we woldnt do it agian.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

How many 3rd & 1s or 4th & 1s did Zeke fail to convert for 1st downs, thus killing drives and leaving points on the field during those losses?

Answer: a whole bunch

He's no Emmitt Smith. Emmitt would jump over the pile to convert those 1 yards needed for 1st downs, just like Walter Payton used to do. Zeke doesn't even attempt to jump over the pile. Feet glued to the floor. Unbelievable.

You were saying about the Almighty Zeke?

wait, you are trying to change the argument. the original thread questioned "did he do it all by himself?", so I responded that's the same argument Dak lovers make, and keep pointing to all that dak went 13-3, so if the argument doesn't hold for Zeke, it doesn't hold for Dak.

now, you did a complete 180.....trying to change the argument to discredit Zeke (that much is obvious).....you are trying to bring up some issues with specific down and distance situations without providing any proof, stats or anything to back your assumptions..... and so just playing along couldn't you say the same thing about Dak and how many 3rd down passes did he fail to complete, killing drives and leaving points on the field.


and I am not sure what to do about emmitt smith comment, as it didn't belong in this debate....we are not comparing zeke and emmitt smith. or walter payton..... and its funny you point to one very specific action, jumping over piles.... as if that's the most important measure of a RBs actions on 3rd downs....I guess you are the young generation that never saw payton or smith play and only seen one hour highlight shows on ESPN or NFL network.....there is not other explanation

 

[America's Cowboy]

wait, you are trying to change the argument. the original thread questioned "did he do it all by himself?", so I responded that's the same argument Dak lovers make, and keep pointing to all that dak went 13-3, so if the argument doesn't hold for Zeke, it doesn't hold for Dak.

now, you did a complete 180.....trying to change the argument to discredit Zeke (that much is obvious).....you are trying to bring up some issues with specific down and distance situations without providing any proof, stats or anything to back your assumptions..... and so just playing along couldn't you say the same thing about Dak and how many 3rd down passes did he fail to complete, killing drives and leaving points on the field.


and I am not sure what to do about emmitt smith comment, as it didn't belong in this debate....we are not comparing zeke and emmitt smith. or walter payton..... and its funny you point to one very specific action, jumping over piles.... as if that's the most important measure of a RBs actions on 3rd downs....I guess you are the young generation that never saw payton or smith play and only seen one hour highlight shows on ESPN or NFL network.....there is not other explanation

Try again, genius.

 

[Ranched]

Pay that man.

Trap thread. Topic has been beaten to death.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Try again, genius.

is that an advice for you or for me ---seems you are out of words

 

[jnday]

I think the dependency on a world class RB is stagnating the Cowboys offense and making them easier to defend.

Zeke is not holding the offense back at all. Teams play to stop him because they know Dak is not accurate enough to beat them in the air.

 

[nightrain]

Zeke is not holding the offense back at all. Teams play to stop him because they know Dak is not accurate enough to beat them in the air.

Thanks for making my point. Stop Zeke and you stop the Cowboys. It no workie.

 

[jnday]

Thanks for making my point. Stop Zeke and you stop the Cowboys. It no workie.

The biggest point that can be made is that an accurate QB is needed to burn the defense when they key in on Zeke.

 

[T-RO]

With our current backups yes, 8-8 w/out Zeke...or worse.

But with a top 40 back we could replace Zeke easier than people realize. There are lots of good backs and they aren't super hard to acquire.

 

[percyhoward]

The Patriots, the Rams and the Saints were all in the top 6 in rushing attempts per game last year.

That's misleading, because most of the top offenses don't run that much. They have more plays than other teams because they keep moving the chains. More plays means more rushing attempts. Also, they build their leads by passing, then pile up rushing attempts while protecting the lead.

Looking at teams' "normal" offense (first three quarters of the game), these are the teams with the highest percentage of plays that were runs.

Run % Qtr 1-3
1 Sea 53.6
2 Buf 49.1
3 Ten 47.9
4 Bal 46.5
5 Hou 45.5
6 NYJ 44.7
7 Car 44.3
8 Jax 44.1
9 SF 43.5
10 Chi 43.4
11 Mia 43.1
12 Was 42.7
13 Ari 42.7
14 Dal 42.6

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

Cowboys have won a majority of their games (4-3) with Dak whenever Zeke has not played.

You were saying?

You seem to have missed the first word in my post- "if", which is relavent to the OP that I was responding to. 4-3 is also not too far from .500 either. The best QB's are better than .500 without their starting RB. It's a hypothetical regardless.

 

[nightrain]

The biggest point that can be made is that an accurate QB is needed to burn the defense when they key in on Zeke.

I do agree that the QB play needs to improve. He's the guy who will be paid the most in the most coveted position and the production needs to be there.

 

[ShiningStar]

That's misleading, because most of the top offenses don't run that much. They have more plays than other teams because they keep moving the chains. More plays means more rushing attempts. Also, they build their leads by passing, then pile up rushing attempts while protecting the lead.

Looking at teams' "normal" offense (first three quarters of the game), these are the teams with the highest percentage of plays that were runs.

Run % Qtr 1-3
1 Sea 53.6
2 Buf 49.1
3 Ten 47.9
4 Bal 46.5
5 Hou 45.5
6 NYJ 44.7
7 Car 44.3
8 Jax 44.1
9 SF 43.5
10 Chi 43.4
11 Mia 43.1
12 Was 42.7
13 Ari 42.7
14 Dal 42.6

this needs to be said in a friendly way.





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[Flamma]

If it's obvious, then why bring them up? We aren't in a similar league anymore. Rules changed, elite RBs don't carry teams any longer. Time to move on.

Besides the 90s Cowboys and a small sample size, elite RBs never actually carried teams. 1992 was the first year the league's leading rusher ever made it to the SB. Elite running backs were always a luxury and rarely the reason teams won championships. Elite RBs that did always had great teams around them either offensively, defensively, or both. Barry Sanders, O.J. Simpson, Eric Dickerson, can all attest to this. Even Walter Peyton didn't get anywhere until his team had arguably one of the best defenses in league history. New rules and salary cap has opened up the passing game making RBs more obsolete as teams can no longer stack defenses to embarrass quarterbacks that rely on the pass like Peyton Manning.

 

[percyhoward]

this needs to be said in a friendly way.

You're right, I should have said that ranking is misleading. I'm sure there was no intentional attempt to mislead, as my sloppy wording might have implied.

 

[ShiningStar]

You're right, I should have said that ranking is misleading. I'm sure there was no intentional attempt to mislead, as my sloppy wording might have implied.

you are a big reason this board is so helpful

 

[ItzKelz]

Pay that man.

He is already paid. With 2 more seasons yet to be paid.

 

[Melonfeud]

And we've had those same red zone struggles since JG took over the O. Hmmmm....

Ya know? I have noticed that "field goals" have seemingly became acceptably fashionable ever since,ALSO

 

[Redball Express]

Same can be said with Rush or White starting at qb instead of Dak.

We really do not know what we have in Rush and White.

When they played in the preseason and struggled..

It was with scrubs and no real game plans installed.

Rush was good his 1st preseason and White?

Have no clue.

Hoping they get more snaps this preseason.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Cowboys have won a majority of their games (4-3) with Dak whenever Zeke has not played.

You were saying?