WOOHOO! Cowboy showing strong interest in Jason Williams

[cowboyjoe]

DD.com contributor Josh Buchanan reports ex-Western Illinois linebacker Jason Williams worked out for New England yesterday and will visit Green Bay today. He will, also, workout for Miami and Tampa Bay this week. In addition, Williams is receiving heavy interest from Tampa Bay, Indianapolis and Dallas.

 

[28 Joker]

This is the guy Dallas needs, imo. I'm on the train. He's the guy.

If Chip Vaughn is drafted before 69, I think Dallas will either take Jason Williams at 69 or drop back and take him later in round 3.

The Titans are known for drafting guys like this. I don't think he makes it to round 4.

2. Lawrence Sidbury JR.
3. Chip Vaughn
4. Jason Williams

I'm starting to think the Cowboys may trade the first or second 4th rounder in order to move up. Jason Williams would be a third round target if you draft a player at 69 that isn't him.

 

[Rampage]

is he an inside linebacker?

 

[SLATEmosphere]

is he an inside linebacker?

Ya..he's 245 pounds I believe..extremely athletic..I actually like him better at OLB to rush the passer and grab a true ILB like Ellerbe.

 

[Rampage]

Ya..he's 245 pounds I believe..extremely athletic..I actually like him better at OLB to rush the passer and grab a true ILB like Ellerbe.

that's what we need. a true ILB that's athletic and knows how to drop back in coverage.

 

[cowboyjoe]

right, he is about 245, with about 4.49 in 40, pure speed athelete, even the colts and rams are interested in him, and they always go after speed linebackers

cant think of the linebackers name, but the one that was with the rams and now with Commanders, he was their middle linebacker with unheard of speed at 4.49 too

so i would be extremely happy if we can get him, along with johnny knox, sammie hill, duke robinson or herman johnson and i will be jumping up and down with joy

 

[Biggems]

I want him and Sidbury. I think both would be exactly what we need backing up Ware and Spencer.

Hopefully Jason Phillips will be around in 5-6 and we can get him as well to backup James and Brooking.

 

[BAT]

Ya..he's 245 pounds I believe..extremely athletic..I actually like him better at OLB to rush the passer and grab a true ILB like Ellerbe.

Williams is actually bigger, faster and more of a playmaker than Ellerbe. He can spot the OLB spot (like Randal Godfrey) from time to time, but he would be more successful at ILB_not to mention, he is also better in coverage than Ellerbe.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Williams is actually bigger, faster and more of a playmaker than Ellerbe. He can spot the OLB spot (like Randal Godfrey) from time to time, but he would be more successful at ILB_not to mention, he is also better in coverage than Ellerbe.

i think jason williams is an exact clone of fletcher the middle linebacker that played for the rams and is now playing for the Commanders, when fletcher came out he was generally unheard of but with blazing speed,

williams would be better than burnett because of his elite speed plus go back and look at all of the fumbles that jason williams caused and recovered, thats always a great mark of a good linebacker,

because if your quick and fast, while at same time jason is bigger than fletcher ever was, then you get to the ball carrier quicker and can cause problems

 

[RESIN8]

You scared me for a sec. I then retracted that his name is spelled Jaison Williams. The WR from Oregon who can't catch.

 

[cowboyjoe]

You scared me for a sec. I then retracted that his name is spelled Jaison Williams. The WR from Oregon who can't catch.

right biggems, if we can get Sidbury and jason williams, then our defense is pretty well fixed for a bunch of years, you could even trade greg ellis then

heck, if need be, you could trade greg ellis say for a 4th, and go sign mcquinest linebacker formerly with the patriots and last year with cleveland, reports are that the browns may not resign him, and mcquinest granted he isnt the great player he once was, but he still could help and groom our young linebackers and pass rushers like spencer, sidbury and jason williams

 

[Biggems]

right biggems, if we can get Sidbury and jason williams, then our defense is pretty well fixed for a bunch of years, you could even trade greg ellis then

heck, if need be, you could trade greg ellis say for a 4th, and go sign mcquinest linebacker formerly with the patriots and last year with cleveland, reports are that the browns may not resign him, and mcquinest granted he isnt the great player he once was, but he still could help and groom our young linebackers and pass rushers like spencer, sidbury and jason williams

if we trade Greg Ellis, the best we will get is a 6th. He is old, has had 2 major surgeries on his legs, and has shown a tendency to act like a little female dog when it comes time to talk contract. Even Susan Lucci thinks he is a drama queen, and she is the Queen of daytime drama.

Still, I would take a 6th for him, if I knew we were getting Sidbury and Williams in return.

I am all for trading down in the 2nd and adding an additional 3rd. Heck, if we are shrewd enough, perhaps we can move down in the 2nd, by offering our 2nd and our 5th round pick, and possible add a 3rd and 4th....giving us a later 2nd, an additional 3rd, and an additional 4th. We would still have the 5th round pick near the top of the round, as well as our condtional 5th. .....our draft would end up like this

DRAFT (13)
2 OLB Sidbury - Richmond
3 FS Johnson - Alabama
3 WR/KR Thomas - Arizona
4 OLB Williams - Western Illinois
4 T/G/C Lang - Eastern Michigan
4 RT Vollmer - Houston
5 ILB Phillips - TCU
5c LT Murtha - Nebraska
6 DT Miller - Texas
6 CB McCain - Utah
6c CB Fletcher - Iowa
7 FS Ness - Arizona
7 ILB/SS Adkins - the U

UDFA (15)
WR - Isaiah Williams - Maryland
TE - Zach Miller - Nebraska-Omaha
RB - Chris Ogbonnaya - Texas
FB - Brannan Southerland - Georgia
OT - Jose Valdez - Arkansas
OG - Steve Rehring - tOSU
C - Robby Felix - UTEP
DT - Khalif Mitchell - ECU
DE - Cody Moore - TCU
DL - George Hypolite - Colorado
ILB - Josh Mauga - Nevada
ILB - Daniel Holtzclaw - Eastern Michigan
CB - Wopamo Osaisai - Stanford
CB - Ryan Palmer - Texas
SS - Al Afalava - Oregon State

 

[dbair1967]

Williams is actually bigger, faster and more of a playmaker than Ellerbe. He can spot the OLB spot (like Randal Godfrey) from time to time, but he would be more successful at ILB_not to mention, he is also better in coverage than Ellerbe.

you've seen alot of Western Illinois games? How do you know this?

I'm not saying the kid isnt a legit prospect, but has anyone even seen this kid play once?

Ellerbe had a pretty big JR season in 2007 at UGA, which is in the SEC.

 

[BAT]

you've seen alot of Western Illinois games? How do you know this?

I'm not saying the kid isnt a legit prospect, but has anyone even seen this kid play once?

Ellerbe had a pretty big JR season in 2007 at UGA, which is in the SEC.

He clearly outplayed Ellerbe in the Sr Bowl practices, every scouting report out of those practices were unanimous: Williams was the fastest playing LB there, best in coverage & a thumper in the run game (his insane amount of forced fumbles is not due entirely to his hard hitting, Williams looks to strip every time he makes a tackle_that is premeditated, high marks for football IQ, not an intangible that Ellerbe is known for).


Of course you watched him the the Senior Bowl too, right?


Ellerbe had one good year, but that trumps everything any other player does over consecutive years b/c he played in the SEC? Whatever you say. Good (heck, GREAT) players come out of small schools every year_some of the greatest who ever played came out of tiny heretofore unknown programs: Jerry Rice, Walter Payton, Tony Romo, hey the list goes on and on and on and on.


You take Ellerbe, I will take Williams, we will see who is the better player.

 

[dbair1967]

He clearly outplayed Ellerbe in the Sr Bowl practices, every scouting report out of those practices were unanimous: Williams was the fastest playing LB there, best in coverage & a thumper in the run game (his insane amount of forced fumbles is not due entirely to his hard hitting, Williams looks to strip every time he makes a tackle_that is premeditated, high marks for football IQ, not an intangible that Ellerbe is known for).


Of course you watched him the the Senior Bowl too, right?


Ellerbe had one good year, but that trumps everything any other player does over consecutive years b/c he played in the SEC? Whatever you say. Good (heck, GREAT) players come out of small schools every year_some of the greatest who ever played came out of tiny heretofore unknown programs: Jerry Rice, Walter Payton, Tony Romo, hey the list goes on and on and on and on.


You take Ellerbe, I will take Williams, we will see who is the better player.

Just because Ellrbe was in the SEC doesnt make him a better player, but he did face alot better competition and did have a big JR yr. His SR wasnt anywhere near as good because of injury.

Williams may or may not be a better player, I have no idea. And I honestly dont see how anyone in here would have any idea because as I noted before, he hasnt been seen.

 

[Bizwah]

Just because Ellrbe was in the SEC doesnt make him a better player, but he did face alot better competition and did have a big JR yr. His SR wasnt anywhere near as good because of injury.

Williams may or may not be a better player, I have no idea. And I honestly dont see how anyone in here would have any idea because as I noted before, he hasnt been seen.

I've noted this a lot more this year than in years past from this board.

I've read posters say things like, "Man, (insert name) is 6-3 260 and ran a 4.5 forty! He's going to be a great rush LB!"

All that without having seen a down of football from that player.

I get excited about prospects I havent' seen....guys with awesome numbers. But for every Demarcus Wares there are 50 Peppi Zellners.

 

[28 Joker]

When you are looking at Barbie at nickel back, it doesn't take much to get you excited. Teams are hawking to this guy for a reason. You can't get better at the positon if you don't take a stab in the draft or pay pay big money out.

I use Bunting from the NFP. He has seen them on film.

I think Ellerbe will be drafted for MLB in a 4-3. His short-shuttle was number 1 for MLBs. He doesn't have the long speed that Jason Williams has. That long speed and size is attractive to the Cowboys, because Williams can match up with TEs in 46 looks and has the long speed to cover TEs and RBs down the field.

 

[Biggems]

When you are looking at Barbie at nickel back, it doesn't take much to get you excited. Teams are hawking to this guy for a reason. You can't get better at the positon if you don't take a stab in the draft or pay pay big money out.

I use Bunting from the NFP. He has seen them on film.

I think Ellerbe will be drafted for MLB in a 4-3. His short-shuttle was number 1 for MLBs. He doesn't have the long speed that Jason Williams has. That long speed and size is attractive to the Cowboys, because Williams can match up with TEs in 46 looks and has the long speed to cover TEs and RBs down the field.

I think OLB Jason Williams, OLB/SS Jonathan Casillas, and ILB/SS Spencer Adkins would all be ideal for the Cowboys defense and are all very fast. Their speed and tackling ability would be huge on kick coverage. Add Brice McCain into the mix and our defense would be flying all over the field.

 

[BAT]

I think OLB Jason Williams, OLB/SS Jonathan Casillas, and ILB/SS Spencer Adkins would all be ideal for the Cowboys defense and are all very fast. Their speed and tackling ability would be huge on kick coverage. Add Brice McCain into the mix and our defense would be flying all over the field.

I like Casillas, but even I will admit that he is not a great tackler. His forte is pass coverage. And yes, I have watched him play the last couple of years. I thought he was going to be a star after his sophomore season. He just never got bigger, or tougher, or more instinctive.


That said, I still like him at SS/nickel back, in the middle rounds.

 

[BAT]

Just because Ellrbe was in the SEC doesnt make him a better player, but he did face alot better competition and did have a big JR yr. His SR wasnt anywhere near as good because of injury.

Williams may or may not be a better player, I have no idea. And I honestly dont see how anyone in here would have any idea because as I noted before, he hasnt been seen.

No one is claiming to have captured Jason Williams life story on dvd. But everyone has heard the clamor on the guy, starting with how he impressed against top competition in the Shrine Game (my bad, I got the wrong all star game) practices. His combine and pro day numbers just confirmed what the scouts were saying, he was the fastest playing LB, outperforming the better known guys like Ellerbe, Brinkley, Maiava and even Jason Phillips. Point blank, Williams impressed against the same competition.


The fact that he produced year in and year out, even against weaker competition, should be applauded, not disparaged. There are just as many busts that come out of the big schools. It is not b/c of lack of talent, but due to lack of discipline, grit, intelligence &/or character. Williams is a hard worker, explosive player and consistently productive. That is more than can be said for a lot of players from the more lauded programs.