Worst defensive depth chart of past decade?

[CCBoy]

Selvie is in a spot where if he has a year like last year, he stands to make a ton of $$ on the free agent market. He was a good starter last year.

We drafted 7 new defensive players and brought in Mincey, Melton, McClain (X2). Are these earth shattering moves? Not really, but they are the sort of things you do when rebuilding a D.

Also, what you miss here is that we could have simply drafted for need - instead we did what good teams do - draft (at least in the early rounds) based on our board. Two offensive players were the top guys left in the first when we picked. We took one instead of a lower rated guy - if you look at the defensive players coming off the board in the first there was a drop off after Shazier. Did you really want us to draft need over value? In the 2nd round we jumped up to get what we rated as the only impact pass rusher left in the draft. That was an aggressive move to bolster the D.

I don't see how you can look at this D and say we aren't addressing the issues. The fact plain and simple is that we are but it takes a few years to rebuild fully.

AbeBeta, you said a lot this morning...and I agree with your summation here.

The defense has changed from a 3-4 to a 4-3 now. The change in related positional fills is in but year two of the change. What the team is doing as to journeymen and veterans, is exactly where this team should be right now. Most successful adjustments are completed within a four year scope of change.

I like what was done in acquiring Ronaldo McClain, Henry Melton, Terrell McClain, and Henry Melton. Myself, I'm glad that Anthony Spencer was cheaply extended to prove himself.

 

[cowboyvic]

It's bad, really really bad

Yep. the worst defense in the history of the NFL is what we have. and we had the 3rd worst in NFL history just last year. it's bad.

 

[Idgit]

And watch this be the most fundamentally sound defense we have seen in years.

We won't be the next great thing, but watch us be somewhat above average.

It needs to be. But to expect that, you really want your guys playing together in camp, and we're not getting that, either.

But, yeah, that's my hope for this season, too. With luck, we'll get guys back and have a few weeks playing together before the games count.

 

[Frozen700]

It needs to be. But to expect that, you really want your guys playing together in camp, and we're not getting that, either.

But, yeah, that's my hope for this season, too. With luck, we'll get guys back and have a few weeks playing together before the games count.

Yeah, I don't like we will be horrible. I believe we will play games, good enough, and some with a little extra. Which is more than you can say for past years.

 

[Blackspider214]

Well. jeez imagine if we get hit with the injury bug again once the season begins, if that happens, we might get 3 wins, if lucky.

I can understand why Jerry says Jason's job isn't tied to wins, don't agree, but I understand.

Yeah we already have an issue with our starters not being that great. If we have to resort to the backups, it will just get comically bad.

 

[CCBoy]

Yeah we already have an issue with our starters not being that great. If we have to resort to the backups, it will just get comically bad.

Why? That is a lot of assuming and not a bunch of description beyond assuming failure.

 

[jterrell]

i really have zero respect for fans who want the team to tank

guess for me that depends on how they do it.

should they plan to tank all year? heck no.

should they tank once they got to the point they fired Wade? then i say yes.

and it isn't players and coaches job to tank but the GM.
at some point you simply add only youth and insure guys return to the field only when 100% healthy.

about 5 years ago asked what I'd wish on the eagles i said 5 years of 8-8.
good enough to not draft anyone of note but bad enough to never make the playoffs.

at some point you have to be realistic about where you are in talent, cap and coaching.
and the league is meant to balance out those assets based upon performance.
it is pretty clear the attempt to rebuild on the move has been an epic failure.
at some point you must step back to move forward.

 

[DFWJC]

Yep. the worst defense in the history of the NFL is what we have. and we had the 3rd worst in NFL history just last year. it's bad.

I'm up for a wager that, in terms of points against and total defense, this will not the worst defense in the history of the NFL.
You can even pick which criteria you want.
Let me know....put up or shut up.

 

[jrumann59]

he is a lot better at it then you are.

I never said he was wrong. I think he is a shoddy reporter that made a prediction that is not mind blowing. It really is a low hanging fruit story.

 

[burmafrd]

Why? That is a lot of assuming and not a bunch of description beyond assuming failure.

is that any different then assuming success when there is little evidence to support it? There is much more evidence that this will be a bad D then a good one.

 

[CCBoy]

is that any different then assuming success when there is little evidence to support it? There is much more evidence that this will be a bad D then a good one.

One was supposed to be a description, but was merely an emotion described. The other was point to lacking detail or real topic.

Wonder why you are agree carte blanche to just go to the pickup and cry...

uh, on more than a couple of postings I have been pointing actual points of strength, that can point to a confidence in the group.

Myself, I don't have to instead, hide in the cap of my pickup to weile into the night...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2001_roster.htm

I had to go back to 2001 to find something that was worse for the Cowboys. You add in Scandrick, Spencer, Lawrence, and Brent and that all can change though so we shall see.

Ellis Myers Noble Zellner
Steele Nyguen Coakley
Hawthorne Woodson Teague Edwards

That team was 20th in yardage.

Here is the Giants depth chart:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/nyg/formation/4-3-defense

Is Cullens better than Selvie?

Is Crawford/Selvie/Mincey/Spencer better than JPP/Ayers/Kiwanuka?

I think our corners are better and the safeties a wash especially in light of the giants having no depth at safety.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I realize this isn't saying much, but this defense will be better than last year's.
Book it.

If folks have patience and don't expect miracles immediately we should get better as the season goes along. How much better it will be compared to last season is anyones guess at this point with the situation being so fluid.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

There's no way a defense with Ellis, Dat, Coakley, Woodson, and Teague was worse than this one.

Plus of course the blocker magnet.

 

[Idgit]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2001_roster.htm

I had to go back to 2001 to find something that was worse for the Cowboys. You add in Scandrick, Spencer, Lawrence, and Brent and that all can change though so we shall see.

Ellis Myers Noble Zellner
Steele Nyguen Coakley
Hawthorne Woodson Teague Edwards

That team was 20th in yardage..