Would Elliott to the Chiefs trade be a good idea for both teams?

[GMO415]

Yahoo!.....Let's trade a #4 overall for #32 overall just two years later.... Sheesh

 

[RodeoJake]

With Zeke, KC probably wins the SB. So their 1st and 2nd are really a 2nd and 3rd. JJ laughs at the notion.

Relax folks. Zeke is a knucklehead and yes, he didn't report to camp on time, but I don't believe he's stupid enough to drag this holdout too long. He'll show and play well come week 1.

 

[Bobhaze]

Two questions-

1. Why would the chiefs trade for a guy who wants a new deal? Why do they want a holdout problem if “win now” is their mantra?
2. Why would the Chiefs be willing to give a #1 and a #2? They know we’re in a jam so they would have most of the leverage.

I don’t understand why so many of our fans are either surprised by Zeke’s holdout or panicking thinking that now we must get rid of him. The Cowboys still have quite a bit of leverage. Zeke is doing what most high profile star RBs are going to be doing in this era of not paying RBs.

Zeke probably sees that this season the Cowboys are going to run him like they did Murray in 2014 and may think that’s a risk for his long term health and future compensation. I don’t like that he’s holding out but it may be a good strategic move for his future compensation. Then again, he may be the next LeVeon Bell.

 

[Mountaineerfan]

No less than two 1st & two 2nds. Zeke is elite. So only elite returns.

Which would be like two seconds and two thirds for the Chiefs. No thanks

 

[Diehardblues]

Two questions-

1. Why would the chiefs trade for a guy who wants a new deal? Why do they want a holdout problem if “win now” is their mantra?
2. Why would the Chiefs be willing to give a #1 and a #2? They know we’re in a jam so they would have most of the leverage.

I don’t understand why so many of our fans are either surprised by Zeke’s holdout or panicking thinking that now we must get rid of him. The Cowboys still have quite a bit of leverage. Zeke is doing what most high profile star RBs are going to be doing in this era of not paying RBs.

Zeke probably sees that this season the Cowboys are going to run him like they did Murray in 2014 and may think that’s a risk for his long term health and future compensation. I don’t like that he’s holding out but it may be a good strategic move for his future compensation. Then again, he may be the next LeVeon Bell.

Agreed. Makes no sense for Chiefs. I’m sure this is what’s motivated Elliott to push this up the threat of being used up and dumped

Apparently the Cowboys did anticipate this holdout. At least more than we the fans did. And probably why we haven’t closed a deal with Dak or Coop. Sounds like Elliott will be the priority before season begins and then Prescott. Cooper could be put off until later possibly after the season.

 

[Whyjerry]

Chiefs are in absolute Win Now mode with Mahomes in his rookie deal expected to break the bank in a couple years.

However, after they cut Hunt for his baggage, they haven't had anything resembling a starting running back. You have to believe they can't be serious about trotting out a little scatback like Damien Williams out there as the RB1. He can't run inside, he can't run on short yardage downs, he can't be a workhorse. They have bigger guys on the team but they don't have much athleticism. They don't have even an average NFL running back on the team. They desperately need to replace Hunt and that's the biggest question mark on whether the Chiefs can legitimate make and win the Super Bowl this year.

Elliott is one of the few RBs in the NFL that is objectively better than Hunt at everything. Inside running, outside running, screen catching, receiving, pass protection, etc. He would make them the clear favorite to win the SB, no question whatsoever.

Cowboys could be in position to demand a 1st AND a 2nd round pick in 2020 for him. Remember, Chiefs are all in on a Super Bowl... NOW. Cowboys can win without Zeke, but the Chiefs are sorely missing that piece.

Should we make this happen??

Should not the same thing be said about the QB in Dallas or do they not take advantage of rookie contracts?

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

Zeke knows that without him Cowboys are trash ... Dak can have a couple of good games against terrible defenses , but without zeke the pressure is all on dak .

Jason Garrett couldn't scheme a win if his life depended on it, much less so with Moore ( but remains to be seen ) .


Zeke is holding good cards , real good cards.

 

[Diehardblues]

Zeke knows that without him Cowboys are trash ... Dak can have a couple of good games against terrible defenses , but without zeke the pressure is all on dak .

Jason Garrett couldn't scheme a win if his life depended on it, much less so with Moore ( but remains to be seen ) .


Zeke is holding good cards , real good cards.

Yep
His value is greater here than it would be on most teams simply because of Daks dependence on Zeke threat for Dak to be more effective.

It’s not just Zeke’s rushing production , it’s the threat he poses on defenses to keep them more honest in stacking the box on Dak.

 

[Bowdown27]

No

 

[slick325]

Always pay special talent regardless of position. They always affect winning. Zeke is a special talent. Pay him. Zach Martin who plays a "non-skill" or "valued" position, is a special talent, hence why he was paid despite position. Jason Witten is another example. The same applied to Emmitt in years long gone, Larry Allen too.

Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are other examples of players who were special talents at positions that normally don't get big pay days. Always pay special talent.

Zeke is the only player on the Cowboys currently seeking a new deal that looks like a HOF player and has the numbers to prove it. Not the QB and not the WR. Pay him...period.

 

[Bobhaze]

Zeke knows that without him Cowboys are trash ... Dak can have a couple of good games against terrible defenses , but without zeke the pressure is all on dak .

Jason Garrett couldn't scheme a win if his life depended on it, much less so with Moore ( but remains to be seen ) .


Zeke is holding good cards , real good cards.

The Cowboys front office looks like they were caught flat footed when they didn’t pick up a decent backup to Zeke like the Steelers did with James Connor backing up LeVeon Bell. Sure they drafted Tony Pollard, but he’s not a full time weapon. Zeke caught this FO off guard.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Chiefs are in absolute Win Now mode with Mahomes in his rookie deal expected to break the bank in a couple years.

However, after they cut Hunt for his baggage, they haven't had anything resembling a starting running back. You have to believe they can't be serious about trotting out a little scatback like Damien Williams out there as the RB1. He can't run inside, he can't run on short yardage downs, he can't be a workhorse. They have bigger guys on the team but they don't have much athleticism. They don't have even an average NFL running back on the team. They desperately need to replace Hunt and that's the biggest question mark on whether the Chiefs can legitimate make and win the Super Bowl this year.

Elliott is one of the few RBs in the NFL that is objectively better than Hunt at everything. Inside running, outside running, screen catching, receiving, pass protection, etc. He would make them the clear favorite to win the SB, no question whatsoever.

Cowboys could be in position to demand a 1st AND a 2nd round pick in 2020 for him. Remember, Chiefs are all in on a Super Bowl... NOW. Cowboys can win without Zeke, but the Chiefs are sorely missing that piece.

Should we make this happen??

The Chiefs need more defense not offense.

 

[Beaker42]

I like the idea of Trading Zeke if we don’t want to resign him. If anything trade him to team like the Raiders who will be picking in the Top 10. I dont want the Chiefs 30, 60th picks. Gruden is a clown and he wants to collect me first guys. The smart thing to do this offseason was sign Tevin coleman for practically peanuts then you would not had your feet to the fire with Zeke. But it all comes back to having a plan and to play chess while other teams are playing checkers. See Eagles, Patriots, Seahawks, etc

You got it backwards - we play checkers, those other teams are playing chess. Chess requires more analytical thinking than our FO guys are capable of.

 

[Beaker42]

That’s not an unreasonable number. I’d rather extend the 4 years now than 2 or 3 years down the road when he’ll be older and more prone to injury.

Give him $57,500,001

 

[OmerV]

Chiefs are in absolute Win Now mode with Mahomes in his rookie deal expected to break the bank in a couple years.

However, after they cut Hunt for his baggage, they haven't had anything resembling a starting running back. You have to believe they can't be serious about trotting out a little scatback like Damien Williams out there as the RB1. He can't run inside, he can't run on short yardage downs, he can't be a workhorse. They have bigger guys on the team but they don't have much athleticism. They don't have even an average NFL running back on the team. They desperately need to replace Hunt and that's the biggest question mark on whether the Chiefs can legitimate make and win the Super Bowl this year.

Elliott is one of the few RBs in the NFL that is objectively better than Hunt at everything. Inside running, outside running, screen catching, receiving, pass protection, etc. He would make them the clear favorite to win the SB, no question whatsoever.

Cowboys could be in position to demand a 1st AND a 2nd round pick in 2020 for him. Remember, Chiefs are all in on a Super Bowl... NOW. Cowboys can win without Zeke, but the Chiefs are sorely missing that piece.

Should we make this happen??

After Hunt I doubt the Chiefs would be looking to give away their 20290 draft for another troubled RB.

 

[Beaker42]

The Cowboys front office looks like they were caught flat footed when they didn’t pick up a decent backup to Zeke like the Steelers did with James Connor backing up LeVeon Bell. Sure they drafted Tony Pollard, but he’s not a full time weapon. Zeke caught this FO off guard.

That’d be the ONLY smart thing he’s done since he was in Dallas.

 

[Beaker42]

Would never happen for a RB

This isn’t the same NFL...no more Walker-type trades for RBs. Some teams won’t even spend a first on a RB in a draft...they certainly aren’t going to spend multiple firsts and seconds after a RB has significant tread on the tires

This. It’d be best offer but at a minimum should be a 1st and 2nd.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The Cowboys front office looks like they were caught flat footed when they didn’t pick up a decent backup to Zeke like the Steelers did with James Connor backing up LeVeon Bell.

There are plenty of FA running backs they could sign today if they wanted too.

 

[Bobhaze]

There are plenty of FA running backs they could sign today if they wanted too.

I noticed the word “good”was left out of of “plenty of FA running backs”, lol.

 

[Rayman70]

Zeke has ZERO LEVERAGE. Dallas has it all. He can whine all he wants or stay away from camp. Come week 1, he better show up. Dallas has SO MANY different options as to what they can do with him. I think cooler heads will prevail.