Would you give up a 2nd for Matt Schaub

[Doomsday101]

He's already given his opinion on the two QBs already on the roster. I don't need his opinion on Schaub, but if I did, it would probably go something like this;

"I like the player."

The fact that he is sticking with developing Romo and Henson, combined with the praise of Romo I shared with you earlier, tells me that he sees something in them. Thus, a move for Schaub is VERY unlikely, especially at that cost.

You don't need his opinion on other players? OK Bill said a lot of good things about Vinny but I don't see Vinny on the team any longer. The fact is we don't know what may be in the future at QB and Bill like any coach can and will change their minds if they get a chance to bring in another player who they feel is better than what they currently have.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Until the oline is fixed we could put Superman at qb and it wouldn't matter.

 

[superpunk]

My point was not that we should fear making a bad second round choice.

It was the idea that a second round pick is not nearly as valuable as you would think given our recent history with them (forgot about how the Burnett pick is looking now also).

If that is all a potential future starting QB costs, then by all means you should take it.

Our potential future starting QB is already on the roster. No need to waste a pick that we could hit big on. Why so quick to label these second and first year players busts? I'll give ya Rogers, but even he could still work out. Bradie James was considered a bust before this year, now he looks like our starting ILB for years to come. Don't be so quick to label and pass judgement on these young players.

 

[Doomsday101]

Until the oline is fixed we could put Superman at qb and it wouldn't matter.

I agree. However that should not prevent looking ahead to the future at a very critical position as QB is.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I agree. However that should not prevent looking ahead to the future at a very critical position as QB is.

I agree on that but I think a second might be a little high. A third yes. Our second needs to be spent on a starter such as a FS, LB, or Oline.

Also one of the reasons, and not a good one, that we didn't have a replacement for Aikman was no cap room.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree on that but I think a second might be a little high. A third yes. Our second needs to be spent on a starter such as a FS, LB, or Oline.

As mentioned I like Schaub and have for a while so in my opinion if your high on a QB he is worth it. It tends to be a hard position to fill more so than anyother.

 

[superpunk]

You don't need his opinion on other players? OK Bill said a lot of good things about Vinny but I don't see Vinny on the team any longer. The fact is we don't know what may be in the future at QB and Bill like any coach can and will change their minds if they get a chance to bring in another player who they feel is better than what they currently have.

I already summed up what his opinion would be....fact is he's already given his opinion on Romo, and to a certain extent Henson. I'm sure we'd all love it if he were to come right out and say "This kid is gonna kill the elague, bank on it." But, that's not gonna happen. His continual grooimng of the two of them, coupled with the small bit of praise for Romo (that's pretty much ALL you'll ever get out of Parcells) should be enough for fans to go on, and not lust after other team's players because they looked decent against a team with the second worst secondary in the league.

 

[Alexander]

Don't be so quick to label and pass judgement on these young players.

:laugh2:

Didn't you just say this:
Schaub has done nothing to indicate that he is any sort of special talent.

I find it incredible that it is bad to pass judgment on Romo, but yet condemn a player like Schaub who has actually taken a snap in a game that counts and has played very well.

 

[superpunk]

:laugh2:

Didn't you just say this:
Schaub has done nothing to indicate that he is any sort of special talent.

I find it incredible that it is bad to pass judgment on Romo, but yet condemn a player like Schaub who has actually taken a snap in a game that counts and has played very well.

How does stating that a player has done nothing of yet to give any indication that he will be special qualify as passing judgement on them? If anything, my stance (and the above statement) on Schaub is one of "wait-and-see" attitude, rather than condemning him. You're way off on that one, dude.

 

[Chuck 54]

Once you get past the top 2 QB in this draft there is no one out there better that Schaub. A team would be getting a player who has had some success playing the position at the NFL level and is a lot closer to being a sure thing than a high priced rookie.

For the record:

Schaub has a total of 2 NFL starts in 2 years, but has played due to Vick's injuries.

year 1 = 47% = 330 yards
year 2 = 51% = 495 yards

Total = 5 td and 4 int....6 yards per attempt....career QB rating of 68.

He could become a serious player in this league in the future, but I don't see what the heck anyone's seen that has them all excited about him unless it's some sort of phony name recognition thing. I'd rather draft a young QB in round 2, but the bottom line is we're probably going to keep the same 3 QBs next year that we had this year....especially if they actually believe Romo is starting material.

 

[Chuck 54]

That's not exactly true about Vick, at least anymore. He was different for a while but teams eventually figure everything out.

I'm a huge VA fan and I'd love to see Schaub in Dallas, but not for anything but next year's three, not this year.

I agree 100%, but my point wasn't that it proves Vick's worth...just that the fact the argument even gets made doesn't say much for when Schaub's in there.

 

[blindzebra]

I really don't get the fascination with this guy.

HE IS A WCO QB, PEOPLE!

He played that system in college, he plays it in Atlanta, and guess what? WE DON'T RUN A WCO.

You want to know what he'd be like in Dallas?

Think Jeff Garcia in Cleveland.

 

[neosapien23]

I really don't get the fascination with this guy.

HE IS A WCO QB, PEOPLE!

He played that system in college, he plays it in Atlanta, and guess what? WE DON'T RUN A WCO.

You want to know what he'd be like in Dallas?

Think Jeff Garcia in Cleveland.

Not necessarily. It all depends on his arm strength. If he as an arm like Garcia than you would be correct. I think a 2nd is too much for him, but Greg Ellis for him straight up would be a good trade for both teams.

 

[Alexander]

HE IS A WCO QB, PEOPLE!

A WCO QB!

OH HEAVENS NO! YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WCO COACH AROUND TO HAVE A PLAYER AROUND LIKE THAT!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Get past the top 3 QB's and sorry I don't think this is great QB class.

I actually think this is a pretty good QB class. Last four seasons, the NFL has averaged 3 to 4 QBs, taken in the first round, each year. I think this year, you'll have the same. Last year, you had 3 in the 1st and 3 in the 3rd. In 2004 you had, 4 in the 1st and 1 in the 3rd. In 2003 you had 4 in the 1st and 2 in the 3rd. 2002 you had 3 in the 1st and 1 in the 3rd. This year I think you have Young, Leinart, Cutler and possibly Whitehurst in the first, just depending. First day QBs you might have Jacobs, Croyle, Stanton and possibly Olson depending on combines. That doesn't count any of the small school guys or Vick, who could have easily been a first day pick if he had any grey matter, at all. I definatly think the talent in this years class is better then last years. JMO but I do think this is as good a class,on average, as the last few years. 83 it aint but not too bad.

 

[hardcorebob]

I'd make the trade for the 2nd or trade a player straight up for him ASAP. Then I'd put Henson up for trade for a 3-4 round pick and come out a hell of a lot better off than before. Once Bledsoe retires in 1-2 years you got your starting QB material or a great battle between Shaub and Romo to be the starter.

 

[Doomsday101]

For the record:

Schaub has a total of 2 NFL starts in 2 years, but has played due to Vick's injuries.

year 1 = 47% = 330 yards
year 2 = 51% = 495 yards

Total = 5 td and 4 int....6 yards per attempt....career QB rating of 68.

He could become a serious player in this league in the future, but I don't see what the heck anyone's seen that has them all excited about him unless it's some sort of phony name recognition thing. I'd rather draft a young QB in round 2, but the bottom line is we're probably going to keep the same 3 QBs next year that we had this year....especially if they actually believe Romo is starting material.

I think to get a quality QB in this draft you will need a high #1 to get him after that I think it gets very iffy and honestly I think even the 2 top QB's in this draft come with some real question marks. I don't think Schaub is a finished product I think he still has a lot to learn but I also think if you had to throw him out there tomorrow he could do the job. Right now I don't have that feeling from our current QB's. I'm not saying our young guys will not develope but I think Schaub is way ahead of both of our guys and will be ready to take a starting role sooner than Romo or Henson.

 

[Idgit]

A second round choice for a promising young QB who has shown he is a legitimate QB is pittance. And I am sure if we wanted him, Al Groh could tell Coach Parcells all about him.

It's a safe assumption that we'd have Groh's input if we didn't want him, too.

If we reportedly turned down, at the least, the NYJ high 3rd for Romo this year, I don't see why we'd turn around and send our own 2 to Atlanta. We're in a better position at QB right now than we've been at any time since we had a young Aikman/Garrett combo.

 

[Qwickdraw]

Great debate going here.
And the poll is split directly down the middle 50/50.

Very interesting.

I would have chimed in more but Doomsday101 (and Alexander) have pretty much said everything that I would have, exactly.

I still wonder how many of those who oppose this idea have actually watched Schaub in more than a game or two.
Those of us who are for it have obviously seen his 2-4 NFL games but have also seen him play 8 games in two preseasons as well as college.

 

[Doomsday101]

Great debate going here.
And the poll is split directly down the middle 50/50.

Very interesting.

I would have chimed in more but Doomsday101 (and Alexander) have pretty much said everything that I would have, exactly.

I still wonder how many of those who oppose this idea have actually watched Schaub in more than a game or two.
Those of us who are for it have obviously seen his 2-4 NFL games but have also seen him play 8 games in two preseasons as well as college.

A good debate around here is any discussion that takes place without name calling. I respect the fact that not all agree with my position on Schaub that does not change how I feel nor are my arguments going to change their views.