Would you give up a 2nd for Matt Schaub

[silverbear]

fair enough.

let me take a few steps back.

With as much time as Vick misses....and if Schaub is as good as some folks here are saying. Why would Atl be willing to move him at all?

Maybe they want a backup who's more similar to Vick in playing style, i.e., a scrambler... Schaub is most assuredly a pure pocket passer, so when he comes into the ball game, the Falcons have to radically change their offensive approach...

 

[Doomsday101]

Dooms, you know as well as I that 2 games started is not enough for teams to game plan you. It's just different when your the starter. I don't know how else to say it. It's just different. I acknowledge the fact that the 4 ints came in his rookie year but I would say that 64 attempts is not a good enough base line to say he's going to be a guy who can start and win in the NFL. To me, a 2nd is too much. For much less, I think we could bring in a very experienced back up and be in a much better position should Bledsoe go down.

I'm basing it on what I have seen both in pre-season and reg season and I don't think a 2nd is too much for a QB like Schaub. I like him and think he has a very good future ahead of him and would love to see him in Dallas I been saying this since Vick was given his contract extention at that point I knew Atl would be looking to trade him. I'm not looking for just a backup but someone I feel will be a very good starter in this league for a long time.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I would do this deal in a heartbeat!!! This franchise WILL NOT progress forward until we get a good, young, efficient QB who can make plays and put points on the board.

Schaub is a very good QB who was highly thought of coming out of Virginia and has done very well in pre-season and other opportunities he's been given.

For those of you who don't put a lot of stock in such performances I'll give you this example...do you remember a few years ago there was a QB, who every pre-season looked very good and moved his team on a consistent basis?
His name was Matt Hasslebeck and he's going to be playing in the Super Bowl this Sunday.

Something tells me Schaub could be another Matt Hasselbeck. He reminds me of him a lot!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm basing it on what I have seen both in pre-season and reg season and I don't think a 2nd is too much for a QB like Schaub. I like him and think he has a very good future ahead of him and would love to see him in Dallas I been saying this since Vick was given his contract extention at that point I knew Atl would be looking to trade him. I'm not looking for just a backup but someone I feel will be a very good starter in this league for a long time.

If we're looking for a starter, then I would be even more against it. I like Schaub but I do think he's limited. His arm is not prototypical. His mobility is average, at best, IMO. He is intelligent and he has intangibles but as a starter, I believe he will be hard pressed to win games for you. I want our starter to be able to put pressure on the defense with the ability to make a play in the passing game but also with his mobility. I don't see Schaub as this player. I like him but not as a starter and not for a 2nd round pick. JMO

 

[Doomsday101]

If we're looking for a starter, then I would be even more against it. I like Schaub but I do think he's limited. His arm is not prototypical. His mobility is average, at best, IMO. He is intelligent and he has intangibles but as a starter, I believe he will be hard pressed to win games for you. I want our starter to be able to put pressure on the defense with the ability to make a play in the passing game but also with his mobility. I don't see Schaub as this player. I like him but not as a starter and not for a 2nd round pick. JMO

If I did not think he could be a starter I would not want him. I'm not looking for the next backup and I do think Schaub has what it takes to be a good starting QB in this league.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I would do this deal in a heartbeat!!! This franchise WILL NOT progress forward until we get a good, young, efficient QB who can make plays and put points on the board.

Schaub is a very good QB who was highly thought of coming out of Virginia and has done very well in pre-season and other opportunities he's been given.

For those of you who don't put a lot of stock in such performances I'll give you this example...do you remember a few years ago there was a QB, who every pre-season looked very good and moved his team on a consistent basis?
His name was Matt Hasslebeck and he's going to be playing in the Super Bowl this Sunday.

Something tells me Schaub could be another Matt Hasselbeck. He reminds me of him a lot!

Coming out of Virginia, most people felt as if Schaub was not athletic, with and adequate arm. Very smart QB with intagibles. A good backup QB. I think he's probably a little bit better then that but I would not call him a franchise guy by any stretch. At least, not at this point. I think Matt Hasselbeck is and was physically superior. Hasselbeck has a very good arm with above average mobility. To me, he's superior in both regards to Schaub.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Yeah only if Bledsoe not going to start... otherwise.. I say no..:starspin

 

[superpunk]

Right now, we need second rounders (despite recent failures) to be impact players for us. Schaub wouldn't fit that description, not while we have Bledsoe, who he would not supplant. If we had a dire need at QB, I'd say go for it, at least he's seen game action. As our team stands now, that would be a mistake.

 

[Doomsday101]

Right now, we need second rounders (despite recent failures) to be impact players for us. Schaub wouldn't fit that description, not while we have Bledsoe, who he would not supplant. If we had a dire need at QB, I'd say go for it, at least he's seen game action. As our team stands now, that would be a mistake.

If Bledsoe was going to play for 3 to 5 more years I would agree but Dallas not having a legit QB to step in is what we failed to do when Troy was here so we spent the next few years looking for a QB. Repeating mistakes is not the way to go.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

If we're giving up 2nd rounders for backup QBs and hoping they can become our franchise QB, I'd rather have the guy in Jacksonville.

 

[superpunk]

If Bledsoe was going to play for 3 to 5 more years I would agree but Dallas not having a legit QB to step in is what we failed to do when Troy was here so we spent the next few years looking for a QB. Repeating mistakes is not the way to go.

Neither is giving up too much in a trade for a position we have no needs in. Noone can speak with any authority on the status of Romo or Henson, who knows how they will work out. If we want another backup, do it in the draft, but don't mortgage picks beforehand.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I guess I just don't see how Schaub would be that much different then Chris Simms when he was available. Nobody on this board would have given a 2nd round pick for him. Nobody. How can we justify giving one for Schaub? I just don't see it.

 

[Doomsday101]

Neither is giving up too much in a trade for a position we have no needs in. Noone can speak with any authority on the status of Romo or Henson, who knows how they will work out. If we want another backup, do it in the draft, but don't mortgage picks beforehand.

Based on what others have done with the likes of Trent Green and Hasslebeck I don't think it is too much of an asking price. As for our current backups I'm not ready to put all my eggs in their basket. All I can say is I like what I have seen in Schaub since he entered the Pros. I also don't think trading a 2nd is close to mortgaging the future.

 

[speedkilz88]

Neither is giving up too much in a trade for a position we have no needs in. Noone can speak with any authority on the status of Romo or Henson, who knows how they will work out. If we want another backup, do it in the draft, but don't mortgage picks beforehand.

Actually Parcells can, and he already thinks he has a Schaub in Romo and Henson makes a great developmental guy. Schaub does not fit here, this is all about the grass being greener on the other side.


Miami got sucked into this belief a couple seasons ago and traded a 2nd for AJ Feeley. The guy looked good in Philly, isn't anything better than they already had.

 

[Doomsday101]

This has nothing to do with the grass being greener on the other side as you said it has to do with watching Schaub play the game and based off what I have seen in pre-season and reg season I like him a lot and have said so many times in the past. As for how Bill feels about Romo I don't think anyone knows for sure how Bill honestly feels about either of these guys and their future with the team.

 

[superpunk]

Based on what others have done with the likes of Trent Green and Hasslebeck I don't think it is too much of an asking price. As for our current backups I'm not ready to put all my eggs in their basket. All I can say is I like what I have seen in Schaub since he entered the Pros. I also don't think trading a 2nd is close to mortgaging the future.

How many eggs do we need? We have Henson, who we gave a third for. We have Romo, who Parcells is enamored with. We have Bledsoe, who can probably play another two years. What good would giving up a draft pick (meant to be used on an impact player) for a player who's going to sit for two years, minimum? There is NO need for a move like that.

And I didn't mean that a trade like this would devastate the future of the Dallas Cowboys. I said don't mortgage picks, not "Don't mortgage our future." A move like that would be stupid for a team with so many needs at LB and OL, two positions this draft has very good depth at.

 

[superpunk]

Actually Parcells can, and he already thinks he has a Schaub in Romo and Henson makes a great developmental guy.

Exactly. There is almost NO difference between the 3 QBs. ONLY Parcells can speak with any authority about the differences between them, and he obviously likes the guys we have here already.

 

[superpunk]

As for how Bill feels about Romo I don't think anyone knows for sure how Bill honestly feels about either of these guys and their future with the team.

When speaking with the Seattle media, BP was answering questions about the two Drews. After those questions were asked, BP coy-ly remarked that "He has another one down here that you guys don't know about, who's pretty good." He likes Romo. Why? I don't know, and we won't know for a couple years, but he does like him alot.

 

[Doomsday101]

How many eggs do we need? We have Henson, who we gave a third for. We have Romo, who Parcells is enamored with. We have Bledsoe, who can probably play another two years. What good would giving up a draft pick (meant to be used on an impact player) for a player who's going to sit for two years, minimum? There is NO need for a move like that.

And I didn't mean that a trade like this would devastate the future of the Dallas Cowboys. I said don't mortgage picks, not "Don't mortgage our future." A move like that would be stupid for a team with so many needs at LB and OL, two positions this draft has very good depth at.

At least 1 that has a decent chance. I see Romo as nothing more than a backup and Henson a project that may or may not pan out. I think the dumbest move is to once again do what we did when Aikman was here and that was we failed to have his replacement in the wings so we ened up with poor QB's and rejects like Leaf. You don't wait until your starting QB retires not at that position.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

At least 1 that has a decent chance. I see Romo as nothing more than a backup and Henson a project that may or may not pan out. I think the dumbest move is to once again do what we did when Aikman was here and that was we failed to have his replacement in the wings so we ened up with poor QB's and rejects like Leaf. You don't wait until your starting QB retires not at that position.

I agree with this, which is why I am an advocate of drafting a guy later.