Would you like to see Drew Bledsoe back next year?

[big_neil]

It is clear from my post that I had a point to make.

At the time there were too many responses for me to keep track. As far as manipulating the poll, I could have double voted on my work PC but that would only invalidate the results I hoped to obtain, namely the truth.

I don't see how anyone can think Drew wasn't good enough when he had 5 game winning drives and the only game he blew (Seattle) was already tied thanks to the deplorable pass defense in the clutch (how many go-ahead bomb TDs did they give up in the 4th quarter this season? Drew couldn't keep up).

 

[Hostile]

At the time there were too many responses for me to keep track. As far as manipulating the poll, I could have double voted on my work PC but that would only invalidate the results I hoped to obtain, namely the truth.

I don't see how anyone can think Drew wasn't good enough when he had 5 game winning drives and the only game he blew was already tied thanks to the deplorable pass defense in the clutch (how many go-ahead bomb TDs did they give up in the 4th quarter this season? Drew couldn't keep up).

Only if you have another userid.

 

[iceberg]

At the time there were too many responses for me to keep track. As far as manipulating the poll, I could have double voted on my work PC but that would only invalidate the results I hoped to obtain, namely the truth.

I don't see how anyone can think Drew wasn't good enough when he had 5 game winning drives and the only game he blew was already tied thanks to the deplorable pass defense in the clutch (how many go-ahead bomb TDs did they give up in the 4th quarter this season? Drew couldn't keep up).

IF ONLY you'd understand.

it's not drew, it's the entire short term direction we're headed. if we're gonna shell the line and start over let's just get a young qb to grow up with these guys and let them gel as much as possible.

otherwise, what to say this time next year you're not saying WELL IF OUR LINE DIDN"T bla bla bla...

it did. it won't be easy to fix. it's likely to again.

let's stop the madness at the WIN NOW AT ALL COSTS and let's prepare for "let's dominate at all costs" - there are two philosophies here and you're simply seeing player bashing, not direction bashing.

 

[big_neil]

Drew has 2-3 years left tops. He has been one of the most prolific passers in league history. He has had some bad games but also some bad breaks. God only knows how many games have been lost on missed FGs in his career. It cost him the playoffs at least 3 times (1999, 2004, 2005). I just want to see one year where he is on a better-than-average team (as Dallas now is and Buffalo wasn't until Drew was released (albeit for only 1 game)).

 

[Juke99]

If you're nice to me maybe I'll send you a "I'm a Winicki fan" t-shirt.

That's not nice....there's only one...and you're going to ask Nors to give it back to you?

 

[iceberg]

Drew has 2-3 years left tops.

which isn't a "long term answer" then is it?

which is what us "bashers" want.

that and to quit trying to sell us drew. we know what he is and useless stat after useless stat won't help any of us change our minds anymore than our lobbing out stats of planned domination vs. shotgun approaches will make you change your mind.

drew is a very good qb but i don't think HOF caliber. he's better than what we've had in quite awhile.

he's not the long term answer we want so we don't want him here cause we don't see it getting done with him.

it's not as difficult, or nearly as personal, as you're making it, dude. really.

 

[Trip]

Drew has 2-3 years left tops. He has been one of the most prolific passers in league history. He has had some bad games but also some bad breaks. God only knows how many games have been lost on missed FGs in his career. It cost him the playoffs at least 3 times (1999, 2004, 2005). I just want to see one year where he is on a better-than-average team (as Dallas now is and Buffalo wasn't until Drew was released (albeit for only 1 game)).

You say he was a missed FG from the playoffs in 2004, but you conveniently forget the fact he fumbled, which was returned for TD to put the game away, instead of leading his team on one of those GW drives you keep talking about. Against backups with all of his starters in the game.

 

[Hostile]

That's not nice....there's only one...and you're going to ask Nors to give it back to you?

He won't. He sleeps in it.

 

[big_neil]

How does a QB spontaneously fumble if his line protects him? My opinion is that good teams don't allow anyone to touch their QB, letalone hard enough to force a fumble. Drew completed 10 straight passes that game and there were about 6 dropped passes in the game.

 

[big_neil]

Anyhow I'm happy to know that 5/6 Dallas fans want Drew to stay.

 

[Trip]

He had a lot of dropped balls, I remember that.

But I also remember him fumbling to lose that game, on a play he wasn't lit up on. He turned his back when the pressure came, and poof, there goes the football. And the game.

You can't use that to his credit. He's part of the reason they lost. It wasn't just the kicker.

 

[kmd24]

that's 6 years in a row elway was 85+

bledsoe never had more than 3 in a row.

It's not a comparison of Bledsoe to Elway. It's a counterargument to your idea that a QB can't post statistics at the end of his career that are superior to those of a lengthy period at the beginning of his career. And Elway isn't the only QB I mentioned.

 

[kmd24]

John Elway is either the greatest QB to ever play the game or he is a close 2nd.

You seemed to have a slant towards winning the whole enchilada when it comes to QB. Elway might have measured up poorly if Terrell Davis had never been a Bronco.

Would your opinion of Bledsoe change if the Cowboys were to win SB's XLI and XLII?

If so, that seems a bit arbitrary to me.

 

[kmd24]

which isn't a "long term answer" then is it?

which is what us "bashers" want.

that and to quit trying to sell us drew. we know what he is and useless stat after useless stat won't help any of us change our minds anymore than our lobbing out stats of planned domination vs. shotgun approaches will make you change your mind.

drew is a very good qb but i don't think HOF caliber. he's better than what we've had in quite awhile.

he's not the long term answer we want so we don't want him here cause we don't see it getting done with him.

Since only two QB's in the modern free agency era have reached the SB prior to their fifth pro season, I doubt that Bledsoe will be holding the Cowboys back over the next couple of seasons. At least two QB's have reached the SB after spending two or more years as a backup, so the argument that he is hampering the development of the young QB's doesn't hold water either.

 

[Hostile]

You seemed to have a slant towards winning the whole enchilada when it comes to QB. Elway might have measured up poorly if Terrell Davis had never been a Bronco.

Would your opinion of Bledsoe change if the Cowboys were to win SB's XLI and XLII?

If so, that seems a bit arbitrary to me.

I thought that about Elway before he won 2 Super Bowls. I think if you were making a mold to clone a QB he is the icon.

I already like Drew Bledsoe, so why would my opinion of him change if he won 2 Super Bowls?

Or are you asking if I would say he compares to Elway?

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Drew Bledsoe couldnt carry Elways lunchbox.

 

[kmd24]

Drew Bledsoe couldnt carry Elways lunchbox.

And that's beside the point, but thanks for playing.

 

[kmd24]

I thought that about Elway before he won 2 Super Bowls. I think if you were making a mold to clone a QB he is the icon.

I already like Drew Bledsoe, so why would my opinion of him change if he won 2 Super Bowls?

Or are you asking if I would say he compares to Elway?

I agree with you regarding Elway being made from the proverbial mold that was broken.

But earlier in this thread, you mentioned that expectations are high among Dallas fans, that we expect the team to be playing in and winning Superbowls. I inferred (perhaps incorrectly) that it is your belief that Bledsoe cannot accomplish that in Dallas.

I guess what I am asking is whether Bledsoe has to actually win a SB before you will believe that it is possible. While I see DB as a flawed player, I think he is the best shot the Cowboys will have for the next 5 years or so.

 

[jterrell]

I agree with you regarding Elway being made from the proverbial mold that was broken.

But earlier in this thread, you mentioned that expectations are high among Dallas fans, that we expect the team to be playing in and winning Superbowls. I inferred (perhaps incorrectly) that it is your belief that Bledsoe cannot accomplish that in Dallas.

I guess what I am asking is whether Bledsoe has to actually win a SB before you will believe that it is possible. While I see DB as a flawed player, I think he is the best shot the Cowboys will have for the next 5 years or so.

Amen!

No matter what standard we set Drew Bledsoe is likely our best bet of meeting in in the near future.

I could care less if we have the best QB in football but I care a whole lot about having the best team.

 

[jterrell]

What are you doing with Jason Garrett in there? Relative?

Yes. It was a lazy way of pointing out the severe dropoff after that.
I will grant that I have no idea about Eddie LeBaron or anyone before Meredith's final couple of seasons though. I only know Meredith through passed down history and the various NFL Films games.