Would you like to see Drew Bledsoe back next year?

[big_neil]

Wow - this landslide poll is really hurting the bashers - they are struggling to come up with polls talking about Vinny. Of course, they have to limit it to the second half, and they have to include that last game as if it were a playoff game, and under no circumstances can a QB ever lose by having a bad O-Line, no running game, poor kicking or a small-play defense.

 

[big_neil]

The most insulting thing to the Dallas Cowboys that some of the bashers imply, is that this Dallas team could hold a candle to the Super Bowl teams if they had Troy Aikman still playing.

 

[Zaxor]

Wow - this landslide poll is really hurting the bashers - they are struggling to come up with polls talking about Vinny. Of course, they have to limit it to the second half, and they have to include that last game as if it were a playoff game, and under no circumstances can a QB ever lose by having a bad O-Line, no running game, poor kicking or a small-play defense.

Neil you need to look at their stats they are pretty close to identical...

Vinny threw 3 more picks and 5 less TD's...While Bledsoe had 10 more fumbles and 15 more sacks...

Plus like I pointed out Vinny did not have T. Glenn, Dan Campbell, Julius Jones for most of the season plus Key was playing on a bum wheel and there was no backup running back unless you want to include a washed up Eddie George...

Your "poll" is meaningless...

it won't change a thing especially my mind...

 

[iceberg]

Anyhow I'm happy to know that 5/6 Dallas fans want Drew to stay.

well as long as YOU'RE happy, that's what it's all about. and since you're happy i guess it just irks you others are not happy for the same reasons.

us "bashers" know we're stuck with drew as long as bp is here. that's part of what makes it frustrating. your totally ignoring explanations and continuing to call us "bashers" is old and very - uh - juvenile. again, how old are you?

it's ok to have different opinions and you don't have to get all jihad on us because of it - yet you choose to. you choose not to try and understand our frustrations but rather just blindly call us "bashers" and shout in glee you got the answer any sane person would expect you to get in your stupid poll that's about as biased as it could be and if this were a court room there's be massive objections to your "leading the witness"

a much more fair question would be "are you happy with the current direction the cowboys are taking under parcells"? or "do you feel parcells would ever spend time grooming a young qb and give them time when possible"? the answer there would mostly be "no" cause he's NOT giving them time when possible. while i was livid about it last year this year MANY MORE are noticing the pattern.

so instead of poll after poll and post after post force-feeding us your views, why don't you just take a few minutes to understand our views and why we feel the way we do.

we're not "lesser" fans. we're not "haters" or anything else you may wanna call us.

we're cowboy fans, just like you. but unlike you, our hearts feel another direction would get us quicker results.

you can get mad at that, or you can realize in this world different opinions are ok.

your call.

 

[iceberg]

Neil you need to look at their stats they are pretty close to identical...

Vinny threw 3 more picks and 5 less TD's...While Bledsoe had 10 more fumbles and 15 more sacks...

Plus like I pointed out Vinny did not have T. Glenn, Dan Campbell, Julius Jones for most of the season plus Key was playing on a bum wheel and there was no backup running back unless you want to include a washed up Eddie George...

Your "poll" is meaningless...

it won't change a thing especially my mind...

and before bledsoe got here, MANY people were saying "he's a younger vinnie".

now maybe he will have that break out year. it's possible, sure. but i find it funny as hell the book said "younger vinnie" yet when it turns out that way, you hear a lot of excuses. many of which are in fact true but the end result was IN FACT - younger vinnie.

coincidence or do people, after 13 years, just know drew? 2 teams took a pass. 1 had a great qb and could afford to, the other is hurting like we are and wouldn't want drew back. funny how all that talk ended after our 7-3 start began to collapse.

 

[Zaxor]

well as long as YOU'RE happy, that's what it's all about. and since you're happy i guess it just irks you others are not happy for the same reasons.

us "bashers" know we're stuck with drew as long as bp is here. that's part of what makes it frustrating. your totally ignoring explanations and continuing to call us "bashers" is old and very - uh - juvenile. again, how old are you?

it's ok to have different opinions and you don't have to get all jihad on us because of it - yet you choose to. you choose not to try and understand our frustrations but rather just blindly call us "bashers" and shout in glee you got the answer any sane person would expect you to get in your stupid poll that's about as biased as it could be and if this were a court room there's be massive objections to your "leading the witness"

a much more fair question would be "are you happy with the current direction the cowboys are taking under parcells"? or "do you feel parcells would ever spend time grooming a young qb and give them time when possible"? the answer there would mostly be "no" cause he's NOT giving them time when possible. while i was livid about it last year this year MANY MORE are noticing the pattern.

so instead of poll after poll and post after post force-feeding us your views, why don't you just take a few minutes to understand our views and why we feel the way we do.

we're not "lesser" fans. we're not "haters" or anything else you may wanna call us.

we're cowboy fans, just like you. but unlike you, our hearts feel another direction would get us quicker results.

you can get mad at that, or you can realize in this world different opinions are ok.

your call.

Great Stuff...

but to be honest Ice...I don't believe he is a Cowboy fan...I think he is a Bledsoe fan...so any scenerio that does not have Bledsoe in it will not make sense to him...

 

[iceberg]

The most insulting thing to the Dallas Cowboys that some of the bashers imply, is that this Dallas team could hold a candle to the Super Bowl teams if they had Troy Aikman still playing.

who said that, neil? your "imply" is wasted cause we're not as stupid as you'd like us to believe. WHO SAID IT? FLAT OUT?

if you assumed someone said it that's YOUR bad, dude.

there are a lot of things to fix. i think with another qb we may have less sacks and fumbles but not much better results. so no, the entire blame doesn't fall on drew but in the 2 years or so he has left how are we suddenly going to get a "drew-validated-bulletproof-ol" when we've not been able to do it so far under parcells?

if parcells comes back i hope to god he does whatever he can to fix the line and spends $15mil on salaries and hires an OL coach worth a damn. my guess is you'll still wind up with about what we had last year except the drew-supporters will find another nugget to hide failure behind.

 

[Zaxor]

and before bledsoe got here, MANY people were saying "he's a younger vinnie".

now maybe he will have that break out year. it's possible, sure. but i find it funny as hell the book said "younger vinnie" yet when it turns out that way, you hear a lot of excuses. many of which are in fact true but the end result was IN FACT - younger vinnie.

coincidence or do people, after 13 years, just know drew? 2 teams took a pass. 1 had a great qb and could afford to, the other is hurting like we are and wouldn't want drew back. funny how all that talk ended after our 7-3 start began to collapse.

That is the truth of it... as far as I can see it... I know it ain't popular but it is hard to argue

 

[iceberg]

Great Stuff...

but to be honest Ice...I don't believe he is a Cowboy fan...I think he is a Bledsoe fan...so any scenerio that does have Bledsoe in it will not make sense to him...

he's already flat out said he wants to see bledsoe with a great team, not a great "cowboys" team (if you wanna get picky) he did say this is his best shot and maybe it is. for now drew is our best shot. those of us that see it coming up "incomplete" just don't care for the direction, NOT "hate" drew.

but good point i'd not really thought of - he's a bledsoe fan, not a cowboys fan. that's ok too - just gotta realize sometimes who you're talking to. he does seem to want bledsoe to well and the cowboys can come along if they want.

good call.

 

[iceberg]

It's not a comparison of Bledsoe to Elway. It's a counterargument to your idea that a QB can't post statistics at the end of his career that are superior to those of a lengthy period at the beginning of his career. And Elway isn't the only QB I mentioned.

great - so pick a HOF qb and say "look, it can be done!" if i go out and find a few qb's (cough vinnie cough) who didn't do that in their career is this point null and void or still on "your side" as a valid argument?

i never said it couldn't happen did i? i said the past history as a guide, it's not likely.

some just never wanna hear what's said and just make stuff up to argue against.

could it happen? sure. very likely? no.

 

[Jarv]

Look Neil, you asked who wanted Bledsoe back. I voted that I didn't and gave my reasons.

Don't know where you live, but I'm in CT surrounded by New England fans (Friends have season tickets, been too many games, seen him live there at least 7-8 times pre Brady) and my roomate is a Buffalo Bills fan, we watched a lot of Buffalo games over the years together because I have DirectTV NFL Ticket, to see my Boys.

I've seen Bledsoe play live probably at least 8-9 times. Actually the only Dallas Cowboys games I saw in Texas stadium live was in 1996 Where the Boys beat NE 12-6 with Bledsoe and Troy batteling it out in the sleet and rain (Man Texas is weird, 70 and Sunny on Saturday before that game, sleeting and 32 during the Game on Sunday the next day)

I've "polled" them and none of them are interested in getting Bledsoe back.

Now, a question for you. Besides this year with the Cowboys, how many games have you seen Bledsoe play in ? Did you watch him play in games prior to this year ? 16 games this year, I never missed one. Probably 30-40 more times I watched him in his career.

Is your argument based on the stats that have been pouring out in these threads, or, like myself anyway...Based upon what I have seens (TV and Live) for 13 years of his career.

How often did you see him play before this year, just curious.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Amen!

No matter what standard we set Drew Bledsoe is likely our best bet of meeting in in the near future.

I could care less if we have the best QB in football but I care a whole lot about having the best team.

So how can you do that with the 15th best QB in football?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Drew Bledsoe is the "Dave Kingman" of NFL quarterbacks. He does one thing extremely well--throw the deep pass (like Kingman could hit homeruns). And he is positively awful in many other categories like taking sacks and causing turnovers.

 

[Zaxor]

So how can you do that with the 15th best QB in football?

where have you been...Ice, Jarv and I and few others are doing all the work

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Bledsoe ranked 15th in the NFL per the QB rating system.

And this was like his third "best" season ever?

Talk about being the "tallest dwarf"... geez!

But he's a devil to bring down! Yahoo! That'll get us a SB trophy pretty quick!

 

[MichaelWinicki]

where have you been...Ice, Jarv and I and few others are doing all the work

Hey, hey, hey! Watch that!

I laid the groundwork for this months ago! LOL!

But you have done a fine job!

 

[Zaxor]

Hey, hey, hey! Watch that!

I laid the groundwork for this months ago! LOL!

But you have done a fine job!

yeah but I was there with ya...

but nice to see ya back on the job

 

[Hostile]

I agree with you regarding Elway being made from the proverbial mold that was broken.

But earlier in this thread, you mentioned that expectations are high among Dallas fans, that we expect the team to be playing in and winning Superbowls. I inferred (perhaps incorrectly) that it is your belief that Bledsoe cannot accomplish that in Dallas.

I guess what I am asking is whether Bledsoe has to actually win a SB before you will believe that it is possible. While I see DB as a flawed player, I think he is the best shot the Cowboys will have for the next 5 years or so.

In today's NFL I find this to be a strange statement. No one is that good. You're basically telling me with that last comment that for the next 5 years we won't have opportunities to draft someone who will turn out to be better. This totally flies in the face of all relevant history including Bledsoe's. Does the name Tom Brady ring any bells?

You're also telling me that there is no way Henson or Romo could play as good or better. I'm interested in knowing how you can determine this? Upon what do you base this that is factual and not speculation?

You're also telling me that no player who may be a Free Agent in the next 5 years will be as good. No one? How in the world has Drew Bledsoe not won 13 straight Super Bowls? I mean this is Herculean legendary status we are approaching.

You're also telling me that for the next 5 years he'll be 100% healthy. How do you know this? Where can I buy that crystal ball? I want one.

Now, as to my thread earlier about expectations, let's be honest shall we? The thread author who admits he is not a Cowboys fan, but is a Bledsoe fan, posted a comment that Drew Bledsoe compares favorably to Troy Aikman and Roger Staubach. Upon what did he base this claim? On QB ratings. My reply regarding expectations was in reaction to that silly contention. Are you now telling me Bledsoe does compare favorably to Aikman and Staubach? If so I'm going to be shocked.

I inferred nothing about whether or not I believe he can win Super Bowls in Dallas. If you want to know whether I think he can or not please ask.

Fair enough?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

yeah but I was there with ya...

but nice to see ya back on the job

LOL!

True.

 

[kmd24]

great - so pick a HOF qb and say "look, it can be done!" if i go out and find a few qb's (cough vinnie cough) who didn't do that in their career is this point null and void or still on "your side" as a valid argument?

i never said it couldn't happen did i? i said the past history as a guide, it's not likely.

some just never wanna hear what's said and just make stuff up to argue against.

could it happen? sure. very likely? no.

Nah, if you had read my original post on the subject instead of just seeing Elway and having a visceral reaction, you would have seen that I listed several other QB's that posted one or two great seasons at the end of their careers. I also stated that I have not done a statistical study to see if it was a trend, but that it did not appear to be uncommon.

And Vinnie did post some statistically unusual seasons (for him) 10 or 11 years into his career with the Ravens and Jets.

Elway is just a high profile example of what I am talking about. Gannon, Cunningham, Brad Johnson, and so on. I listed several before.