would you trade our #2 for Culpepper??

[Chuck 54]

You guys who want to blast Culpepper for one bad year without Moss and plenty of injuries, etc when he was trying to carry the team should have been piling on Aikman and rejecting his HOF credentials since he won with Emmitt and Irvin and totally sucked during a few years of his prime after Irvin went down...he never did anything worth a crap again.

You have to put players, especially receivers around a QB.

 

[Hostile]

BS to him being top 10 qb. i can name at least 10 qb's id rather have on my team than him. He doesnt have moss and i dont think he is as great a qb without a wr u can throw in his general direction and he'll catch it. moss made him look above average.

these qbs id rather have than him. no particular order. but just an example he not top 10 material. peyton, brady, palmer, brees, b roth (ignore super bowl tho lol) mcnabb, hasselbeck, Delhomme, t green, and bledsoe. hell id rather have randel el throwin the ball than him. no disrespect just think he overated for as much money we'd have to spend on him

So the criteria for top 10 is whichever guys YOU like best?

Excuse me while I digest that bit of revelation.

 

[Chuck 54]

Bledsoe sucked the entire time he was in Buffalo....I don't care who the QB is....when his line isn't good or he has no WR's, he's going to stink. Minny was playing a rookie, a #2, and Koren Robinson for Pete's sake....had almost no running game and one of the worst OL's....not to mention a comedy on defense.

 

[BAZ]

You guys who want to blast Culpepper for one bad year without Moss and plenty of injuries, etc when he was trying to carry the team should have been piling on Aikman and rejecting his HOF credentials since he won with Emmitt and Irvin and totally sucked during a few years of his prime after Irvin went down...he never did anything worth a crap again.

You have to put players, especially receivers around a QB.

You can point twords other things like new coaches, cap hell , bad drafting -that is based over a few years.

With Culpepper it was from his best season to his worst with roughly the same players. Moss and Birk being the main losses.

The team won once he went down and he knee is coming off major surgery. Add to that the boat scandle and I can't see how he would be a good pick up. If anything needs to come back this season show he deserves to be the starter and prove last season was an off year.

 

[STSINAZ]

take it

 

[lane]

i'll trade a #2 pencil for him...

 

[Wolf2k5]

So the criteria for top 10 is whichever guys YOU like best?

Excuse me while I digest that bit of revelation.

are you kidding me?! You r saying that you would not rather have any 1 of those qbs in our offense rather than culpepper??? Every1 of those guys would fit in our system better than him. all im saying was that he is not a top 10 qb IMO. And I like culpepper alot im jus sayin he aint a top to qb when you look at how our offense works. :bang2:

 

[Q_the_man]

First, he can't be traded unless he's healthy...he'd have to pass any teams physical before a trade could go through.

So...assuming he was healthy, I guess I'm the only one here who would gladly give our first for Culpepper, and I wouldn't think twice about it.

Amen!!! That would be almost as sweet as the Hershel trade...

Then again they could add Sharper and Udeze in the deal:laugh1:

 

[Hostile]

are you kidding me?! You r saying that you would not rather have any 1 of those qbs in our offense rather than culpepper??? Every1 of those guys would fit in our system better than him. all im saying was that he is not a top 10 qb IMO. And I like culpepper alot im jus sayin he aint a top to qb when you look at how our offense works. :bang2:

The key to that is the "IMO." That's right, in YOUR opinion. In MY opinion he's a top 10 QB. Get it? Mine.

You rattle off 10 names and my role is to look at them and agree with you? No, I do not agree on at least 3 of the names you offered and am leaning towards 5 I don't agree with.

 

[Joe a Cowboys fan]

Yes with no reservations. He is realtively young and a tough guy. LOL, after that I would put our entire draft into the best O-line Jerry's money can buy and look for a better WR or two in FA. Dante can be that good for us. The Vikings are idiots if they let us have him for a measly second rounder.

 

[Joe a Cowboys fan]

Amen!!! That would be almost as sweet as the Hershel trade...

Then again they could add Sharper and Udeze in the deal:laugh1:

Actualy I would go a first for him and get our own WRs else where.

 

[proline]

No. Bledsoe is good enough to take this team all the way, and he is durable. Culpepper would just be an expensive #2 QB because BP wouldn't go away from Bledsoe unless he was injured. I'd rather spend money/keep draft pics for improving the OL.

 

[Hostile]

I keep seeing Randy Moss brought up as a reason Culpepper struggled.

If I am not mistaken, the Vikings were devestated at WR early in the season and were pulling guys in from off the street.

Nate Burleson was hurt.
Marcus Robinson was hurt.
Koren Robinson was unfamiliar with their offense.
Troy Williamson, their #1 pick, was struggling

They were throwing to Travis Taylor as their top target.

None of that had an effect huh? It was all the lack of Moss? Sorry, I don't buy that.

 

[DLCassidy]

I keep seeing Randy Moss brought up as a reason Culpepper struggled.

If I am not mistaken, the Vikings were devestated at WR early in the season and were pulling guys in from off the street.

Nate Burleson was hurt.
Marcus Robinson was hurt.
Koren Robinson was unfamiliar with their offense.
Troy Williamson, their #1 pick, was struggling

They were throwing to Travis Taylor as their top target.

None of that had an effect huh? It was all the lack of Moss? Sorry, I don't buy that.

Burleson played in the first 2 games. Marcus Robinson missed only the last game of the season. In the 1st two games alone Culpepper had 10 turnovers. Keep fishing. Culpepper throws a nice deep ball and Moss is the best deep receiver in the game. Take that away and what have you got? A fumbling/interception machine.

 

[superpunk]

I have noticed, that my brilliant analysis (ouch, my shoulder!) of Culpepper and Bledsoe's respective shortcomings has gone basically by the wayside. I still don't understand, how Bledsoe can be painted as such a villain, mainly because of his turnovers, and taking drive-killing sacks, yet people would willingly give up a second round pick for a player who is worse in BOTH areas.

 

[DLCassidy]

On a more practical note, has anyone considered the distinct possibility that Culpepper may not even be healthy enogh to play this year? And if he does play at say 80% would he even be mobile? Take away the mobility does anyone seriously think he's a better pure passer than Drew Bledsoe? I don't. And who would you cut to take on his 10m salary? Make your lists there before you vote yes to trade for him. And remember when he was putting up huge numbers in Minny he always had the security of throwing it up for grabs to Randy Moss when he was in trouble or running and most of the time Moss would come down with it. If he doesn't oops it's an early punt.

 

[superpunk]

On a more practical note, has anyone considered the distinct possibility that Culpepper may not even be healthy enogh to play this year? And if he does play at say 80% would he even be mobile? Take away the mobility does anyone seriously think he's a better pure passer than Drew Bledsoe? I don't. And who would you cut to take on his 10m salary? Make your lists there before you vote yes to trade for him. And remember when he was putting up huge numbers in Minny he always had the security of throwing it up for grabs to Randy Moss when he was in trouble or running and most of the time Moss would come down with it. If he doesn't oops it's an early punt.

Again, a trade for Daunte Culpepper, would be a trade for a mobile QB, with a destroyed knee, an enormous salary, who is a bigger liability than Drew Bledsoe in terms of sacks and TOs. The math doesn't work.

 

[DLCassidy]

I have to say the money thing is bothersome. Asking for more money when you're rehabbing a serious injury and after playing a stretch of flat out terrible football when you're already extremely well paid is the definition of the yiddish word "hutzpah".

 

[ghst187]

The team won once he went down and he knee is coming off major surgery. Add to that the boat scandle and I can't see how he would be a good pick up. If anything needs to come back this season show he deserves to be the starter and prove last season was an off year.

does this make ANYONE else but me and BAZ very suspicious? This is a glaring roadsign telling you the bridge is out ahead. Culpepper had 10, TEN, X, turnovers in 2 games! They had hardly won any games and were on track for a top 4 draft pick until Culpepper gets hurt! THEN, BJ comes in and nearly gets them into the PLAYOFFS! Mostly, he just didn't turn the ball over.
These facts should at least make people suspicious of Culpepper. Add that to the fact that 2 or 3 different QBs came in for an injured Culpepper over the last few years and done equally well throwing to Moss and putting up similiar numbers and points and wins. Even Jeff George! I'm somewhat suspicious that even Ryan Leaf might've had success in that chuck it deep to Moss offense.
I'm not convinced that Culpepper is even the best QB on Minny's roster. Right now, there's a reason Minny is shopping him instead of BJ. Add to that a MAJOR knee injury to a scrambling QB AND an grossly inflated, salary cap crippling salary....and I'm not sure why even Culpepper's dad would bring him in if he were coaching a team.
And like someone else was saying, even I could take away all the evidence listed above, I'm not sure I would rank Culpepper in a top 10 NFL QBs. Even in Minny's record setting year and offensive explosion, I still see 41-0 playoff loss. Zero playoff skins. Even McNabb (McChoke) and Manning (Wo-manning) have a few playoff wins under their belts.
Culpepper just doesn't make sense to me, esp in Dallas. I can't believe this is even a debate. Even if I were New Orleans, I don't think I'd be wanting to bring Culpepper in, a broken, overpaid QB that hasn't had success without Moss.

 

[BrassCowboy]

yep, I would easily give a 2nd for him.... no reservation at all...

now if the cap cost could be worked out, i would say go for it !