would you trade our #2 for Culpepper??

[Juke99]

ACL+PCL+MCL = BAD news! I'm sure with todays technology he'll do fine.... but I can tell you from experience, the thought of the injury stays in the back of your head....

I still remember the rehab from the early 90's and it wasn't fun!

Perhaps but I'm sure your posts are just as good, if not better, than before your injury.

 

[VirusX]

He's coming off a horrible season and major knee surgery. Thats a huge risk for someone who hasn't proved he can do it without Moss - my dislike for him aside.

He did it without moss last season when moss was injured. Any QB needs a suitable WR. Their problem was their line, Culpepper has the same problem as Bledsoe. You get in his face when he is set to throw and he gets happy feet.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Minnesota only wanting a 2nd round pick for Culpepper is preposterous. Any team who can get that would be getting a steal almost as big as the original Hershel Walker deal.

The question is whether or not Dallas could afford it. While I think Bledsoe did a good job considering what he had to work with this past season, if they can afford a QB like Culpepper by only giving up a 2nd rounder, they'd be almost stupid not to go for it.

That's unless his knee injury is much worse than the Vikings are leading on.

Rich...........

 

[cowheel]

A league source says the Vikings are shopping QB Daunte Culpepper.

A league source says Minnesota is initially looking for a second-round pick. Culpepper's contract is going to make a deal tough, but teams with current needs at quarterback include the Jets, Ravens, Titans, Lions, Raiders, Browns, Rams, and the Saints. Oakland looks like the front-runner as Culpepper would be reunited with his favorite target, Randy Moss.

Feb. 15 - 7:51 pm et

immediately.

 

[kartr]

No - after reading the 10 million dollar raise demand, I dont think I want any part of Culpepper, Before reading that, I would have entertained the idea. But in all actuallity, I dont think I would have put much hope in getting hm here. If you dont fix the Oline, Culpepper wont make that much of a difference. Though he could scramble around and make maybe 5-10 more plays a year then Bledsoe. But in the long run, you cant live on scrambling QBs for long. If you dont have adequate protection, you wont have a good team peroid, no matter whos the QB.

I think he was just trying to make them trade him,plus scrambling qbs make the O-line look better and statues like Bledsoe make them look worse. I think we should fix the OL and give the 2nd for Culpepper. Like someone said, he had three bad games this year against good defenses and played 'lights out' in 2004 when Moss was injured. As for the 'love boat' episode, one blip in 7 years is not bad and at 29 he can play for 6-7 more years. It would also insure that we had a adequate replacement for Bledsoe when he's done in a year or two.

 

[kartr]

Culpepper for a number two?

Without a second thought.

I might be a bit concerned about what his numbers looked like without Moss....but he'd solve some of our O Line problems in a hurry because he does have good mobility and great size.

Yeah, considering some of the second round bombs we've had, I'd do it.

I dont think the Vikes would let him go that cheaply.

You've got a point, Daunte Culpepper for a 2nd vs second round picks for Andre Gurode,Antonio Bryant,Tony Dixon,Jacob Rogers,Al Johnson and Kevin Burnett. Yeah, I'd do it, in a heartbeat.

 

[Hostile]

You've got a point, Daunte Culpepper for a 2nd vs second round picks for Andre Gurode,Antonio Bryant,Tony Dixon,Jacob Rogers,Al Johnson and Kevin Burnett. Yeah, I'd do it, in a heartbeat.

Check out what 2nd round name was conveniently forgotten.

 

[superpunk]

plus scrambling qbs make the O-line look better and statues like Bledsoe make them look worse.

Through 5 games, Culpepper had been sacked 29 times. (I won't count the 6th game, which would make it look worse, since he only threw 6 passes, and was sacked twice.) Do you have ANY idea what that sack rate translates to over a 16 game season? 93 times. That's right, 93. Not saying he would have reached that astronomical number, but he was on his way to something big.

On the flip side, through 12 games Brad Johnson, who is a card carrying statue, was sacked 23 times. Translated over the course of a 16 game season, that comes to about 31 sacks for the year.

93-31-62.

That scrambling QB sure made the Oline look fantastic, didn't he?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Do you have ANY idea what that sack rate translates to over a 16 game season? 93 times. That's right, 93.

holy, flipping, white, bat meat, BatmAn, that's insanity!

 

[DLCassidy]

Check out what 2nd round name was conveniently forgotten.

:laugh2:

 

[DLCassidy]

Through 5 games, Culpepper had been sacked 29 times. (I won't count the 6th game, which would make it look worse, since he only threw 6 passes, and was sacked twice.) Do you have ANY idea what that sack rate translates to over a 16 game season? 93 times. That's right, 93. Not saying he would have reached that astronomical number, but he was on his way to something big.

On the flip side, through 12 games Brad Johnson, who is a card carrying statue, was sacked 23 times. Translated over the course of a 16 game season, that comes to about 31 sacks for the year.

93-31-62.

That scrambling QB sure made the Oline look fantastic, didn't he?

Stop confusing the argument with facts.:laugh1:

 

[superpunk]

holy, flipping, white, bat meat, BatmAn, that's insanity!

Not lost on me, either, is the fact that, through 7 years of his career (and only 5 full seasons) Culpepper has registered 81 fumbles, and 33 fumbles lost. That's over 80 starts, or an average of 1 fumble per game, and 0.4 fumbles lost per game.

Drew Bledsoe, our current starter, and notorious statue/fumble machine, through his 13 year career, registered 120 fumbles, and 48 fumbles lost. He has started 187 games. I'll do the per game math now; That's an average of 0.6 fumbles per game, and 0.26 fumbles lost per game.

So, in Daunte Culpepper, you have a guy who is just as, if not more, sack prone than Bledsoe. He puts the ball on the carpet more than Bledsoe, AND his knee was just blown to kingdom come. Add to that, his ENORMOUS salary, and his desire for more cash....

Sorry, I'm taking a pass on this horrible idea.

 

[superpunk]

More fun debunking the myth that giving ANYTHING up for Daunte Culpepper would be a terrible idea;

The two biggest knocks against Bledsoe, are his turnovers, and sacks right? Let's take an interesting look at the two players numbers, in those regards;

Turnovers

Drew Bledsoe

For his career, he has 198 INTs, and 48 lost fumbles. That is a total of 242 turnovers, for his career. He has started 187 games. That calculates out to 1.32 turnovers per game.

Daunte Culpepper

For his career, he has 86 INTs, and 33 lost fumbles. That is a total of 119 turnovers, for his career. He has started 80 games. That calculates out to 1.49 turnovers per game.

Culpepper turns the ball over, 0.17 times more, per start, than Bledsoe. Doesn't seem like alot, but over a 16 game season, that gets to be almost 3 more turnovers, per year.

Sacks

Drew Bledsoe

Has been sacked 451 times in his career. Over 187 games, that comes out to 2.4 sacks per game.

Daunte Culpepper

Has been sacked 228 times in his career. Over 80 games, that comes out to 2.85 sacks per game

That comes out to a difference of 0.45 sacks per game. Over a 16 game season, that's an extra 7.2 sacks, that Culpepper would register than Bledsoe.


So, If I calculate right....Bledsoe's salary is 3.5 million, Culpepper's is approximately 10, right? So, in essence, we would be paying an extra 6.5 million dollars, for 3 more turnovers, and 7.2 more sacks, every year.

Now THAT would be something for zoners to ***** about.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

A league source says the Vikings are shopping QB Daunte Culpepper.

A league source says Minnesota is initially looking for a second-round pick. Culpepper's contract is going to make a deal tough, but teams with current needs at quarterback include the Jets, Ravens, Titans, Lions, Raiders, Browns, Rams, and the Saints. Oakland looks like the front-runner as Culpepper would be reunited with his favorite target, Randy Moss.

Feb. 15 - 7:51 pm et

WE ALREADY HAVE ONE OF THE BEST QB's IN THE LEAGUE AND HE'S MUCH BETTER THAN CULPEPPER! PLEASE STOP WITH THESE STUPID THREADS!

 

[superpunk]

WE ALREADY HAVE ONE OF THE BEST QB's IN THE LEAGUE AND HE'S MUCH BETTER THAN CULPEPPER! PLEASE STOP WITH THESE STUPID THREADS!

You make me hate myself for propping Bledsoe up.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

In a heartbeat.

If the Vikings want a 2nd we should offer them next year's.

He's only 29 and can throw that ball.

Our Qb just turned 34 and guess what.....he can throw the ball better.

 

[Rockytop6]

A league source says the Vikings are shopping QB Daunte Culpepper.

A league source says Minnesota is initially looking for a second-round pick. Culpepper's contract is going to make a deal tough, but teams with current needs at quarterback include the Jets, Ravens, Titans, Lions, Raiders, Browns, Rams, and the Saints. Oakland looks like the front-runner as Culpepper would be reunited with his favorite target, Randy Moss.

Feb. 15 - 7:51 pm et

NO, NO, and NO.

He would be far too expensive.
We would have to give up a 2nd and we can use that to fill one of the holes.
He is on the down side of his career.
He has been injured a lot lately.

I am tired of signing, trading or whatever for old, injured, players which means that you usually overpay for them.

We need to draft or trade for a talented QB and develop him behind Bledsoe for 1 to 2 years and let him compete with the other QBs on our roster.

Finally, do we know for sure that Romo or Henson isn't the answer? If we do then get rid of them and bring in someone who is.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

You make me hate myself for propping Bledsoe up.

Well I'm getting sick of these asinine suggestions. QB is not a need on this team right now!

 

[superpunk]

Well I'm getting sick of these asinine suggestions. QB is not a need on this team right now!

Go ahead. Be sick of them. Drop the Bledsoe is god/I want Bledsoe to father my children routine. Defend him with facts, and some substance other than the ridiculous assertion that he is the greatest QB in the league.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Go ahead. Be sick of them. Drop the Bledsoe is god/I want Bledsoe to father my children routine. Defend him with facts, and some substance other than the ridiculous assertion that he is the greatest QB in the league.

I didn't say Bledstudsoe is the greatest QB in the league or off all time. But he does have the best arm in the league.