Wouldn't Welker be sweet

[muck4doo]

He was undrafted and signed by SD, then signed by miami and played the 3 and ST. He is a system receiver, as are most WR in the NFL, there are very few WR that do well in one city and continue to do well in another. Anquan Boldin is Balt. #1 but he isn not putting up the numbers he was doing early in his career.

I thought that was Torrey Smith?

 

[Fredd]

welker is an interesting player, but I also believe (like many have said) that he is a product of his environment...NE doesn't have a #1 WR that takes the catches away from him...if he came to dallas, he would be the 3rd option and sometimes 4th...

...we don't need a WR...Cole and Coale will fill the slot void as the 4th WR (and 5th option)...

 

[CowboyStar88]

No I want some young blood on this team I am hoping that we bring in a good young WR in the draft to groom to take over for Miles if Harris can't make the leap. No I am not sold on the shrimp we have on the team.

 

[zeroburrito]

he is their running back. no thanks.

 

[TwoDeep3]

It's the Pats system he thrives in it with Brady he wouldn't be as effective with the Cowboys.

His runs after the catch have little to do with Brady and their system.

But what would concern me is this. Is he the same player he was? The Pats are pretty sharp to let a guy go just before he is more expensive than he is serviceable.

But the - it's the system - argument doesn't examine what the kid does with the ball after making that three yard catch. Then taking it another fourteen.

 

[KJJ]

His runs after the catch have little to do with Brady and their system.

But what would concern me is this. Is he the same player he was? The Pats are pretty sharp to let a guy go just before he is more expensive than he is serviceable.

But the - it's the system - argument doesn't examine what the kid does with the ball after making that three yard catch. Then taking it another fourteen.

The system and the QB has a lot to do with getting Welker the ball with the frequency NE does. He has to get open and make the catch before he can run with it and that has a lot to do with the chemistry he has with Brady and the system. How many teams have the QB, the system and the coaching NE has to get the most out of Welker? Randy Moss looked finished in 06 with the Raiders until Belichick got his hands on him pairing him with Brady in 07. Moss doubled his catches and almost tripled his yards in his first season in NE. Once NE let Moss go in 2010 he hasn't caught more than 28 passes and produced more than 434 yards for any team he's played for.

The Pats are taking a calculated gamble by allowing Welker to test the market because they know most teams aren't going to pay a boat load of money for a 32 year old receiver who many view as a system receiver especially one who's probably on the way down. The fact NE is allowing him to test the market says a lot. There's a good chance Welker ends up staying in NE because I can't imagine another team thinking they'll get close to the production NE got out of him.

 

[Stinger_Splash]

He's over the hill and not worth the money. Jerry needs to focus on acquiring lineman that can actually block. We are fine at the skill positions. WR and RBs are a dime of dozen. We lost games in the trenches last year. That should be the focus.

 

[MonsterD]

Much much rather have Tavon Austin than him, like a young Welker with speed to boot.

 

[KJJ]

lol I believe Tom Brady makes him very very dangerous, but to call him a system receiver is pretty laughable.. The guy caught 67 passes for close to 700 yards in his 2nd year in the league with the Dolphins. Silly thread though & should go in the NFL zone or something since this is the most unrealistic thing. Plus he is about to be 32, you have to think the speed & quickness will start to decline soon.

Welker caught 67 passes for 687 yards his last season in Miami then the following year exploded for 112 catches and 1,175 yards in NE. You don't think Brady and the system had something to do with that? He went from an average team to a great team that has a HOF QB and head coach. Welker is not going to produce huge numbers on an average team that doesn't have great coaching or a Tom Brady.

With Dez's emergence and Jason Witten Romo's security blanket putting up over 100 catches last season there won't be enough balls to go around for Welker to produce enough to live up to the contract it would take to sign him. The Cowboys have far more pressing needs than to waste their money on an aging slot receiver who could be finished in a couple of years.

 

[T-RO]

Research shows that receivers (on average) begin to decline at age 30. Wes turns 32 on May 1. A longterm contract for Welker would not be in the Cowboys' best interest.

 

[Hoofbite]

Research shows that receivers (on average) begin to decline at age 30. Wes turns 32 on May 1. A longterm contract for Welker would not be in the Cowboys' best interest.

Generally I agree but Welker's game hasn't ever really been based on some sort of awesome physical ability.

Sure, he's quick and has a lot of suddenness in his moves but I don't think his style is really all that predicated on his physical ability. He's sure not the biggest or fastest but he's fast enough and quick.

The dude's also a machine. Pretty sure he used to play soccer and you can tell because he's rarely winded to the extent everyone else is and when he's jogging back to the huddle he looks like he's taking a nap like soccer players do when they aren't at a full sprint.

In the right system I could see him doing well for a few more years. Right system being Tom Brady because I can't see him producing on that level elsewhere. He and Brady just have that connection working.

 

[Blackspider214]

It's the Pats system he thrives in it with Brady he wouldn't be as effective with the Cowboys.

Was coming in here to post this. Glad it only took 1 reply to do so. Go look at what he did with the Dolphins. Was just very pedestrian. He almost doubled his output in just one season when he got with Brady and the Pats. It's his system he thrives in. We don't have that system.

I don't blame him for wanting to shop the market to get that last big payday but his numbers will suffer if he goes elsewhere.

I think we can almost get the same output from Cose Beasley or a Danny Amendola type player and for much cheaper.

 

[jrumann59]

lol I believe Tom Brady makes him very very dangerous, but to call him a system receiver is pretty laughable.. The guy caught 67 passes for close to 700 yards in his 2nd year in the league with the Dolphins. Silly thread though & should go in the NFL zone or something since this is the most unrealistic thing. Plus he is about to be 32, you have to think the speed & quickness will start to decline soon.

Wow, 67 for 700 yds, Welker is nothing more than a slot position receiver that built a career on catching 10-12 passes a game for 10 yards a pop and never had more than 9 tds in a season. there is nothing wrong with that but that does not make him an elite receiver that garners a huge salary when he is on the wrong side of 30 with past knee issues.

 

[KJJ]

Go look at what he did with the Dolphins. Was just very pedestrian. He almost doubled his output in just one season when he got with Brady and the Pats. It's his system he thrives in. We don't have that system.

I posted what he did with the Dolphins and if a team is willing to fork over what it's going to take to sign him that's probably the type of production they're going to get from him.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

I probably wouldnt base his entire value on what he accomplished as a Dolphin. I mean, its not like every WR in a pats uni put up over 110 catches 5 times.

Not saying hes worth a huge contract but its silly to write him off entirely based on his 2006 production with the great combo of Nick Saban and Joey Harrington.

 

[KJJ]

I probably wouldnt base his entire value on what he accomplished as a Dolphin. I mean, its not like every WR in a pats uni put up over 110 catches 5 times.

You have to base Welker's value on what needs the Cowboys have and what they already have at receiver. Welker is the Pats #1 receiver and the Cowboys #1 receiver Dez Bryant put up more yards and twice as many TD's as Welker did last season. It wouldn't surprise me if Dez puts up 1600+ next season with 15 TD's. The Pats don't have an explosive 22 year old game changing WR who just had a breakout season. The Pats didn't have a TE last season who put up 110 catches and over 1000 yards. Witten had more catches last season than Gronk and Hernandez combined. The Cowboys had two 1000 yard receivers last season who put up 202 catches. Welker would never come close to producing the numbers he's had in NE having to share catches with Dez and Witten.

The Cowboys are going to continue feeding Dez the ball he's their big play receiver who puts points on the board. The Cowboys don't need to spend a fortune on a 32 year old receiver who's only going to compliment what they already have. All the Cowboys need is a steady slot receiver and Beasley showed some potential last season to possibly be that player. The Cowboys could also take a look at Danny Amemdola who's 5 years younger than Welker and who would come a lot cheaper. The Cowboys know Amendola and he won't be someone who would have to produce 100+ catches and 1400 yards to be worth his contract.

Not saying hes worth a huge contract but its silly to write him off entirely based on his 2006 production with the great combo of Nick Saban and Joey Harrington.

The Cowboys are a lot closer to the teams Miami had back in 05 and 06 than they are to the team NE has. Saban only had one fewer win in his 2 seasons in Miami than Garrett and Romo have had in their 2 full seasons together. Saban was stuck with Harrington, Culpepper, Frerotte and Rosenfels in 05 and 06. Saban even produced a winning season in 05 with Frerotte and Rosenfels. The Cowboys have productive receivers they just need a compliment in the slot who's steady and reliable. Welker will end up staying in NE.

 

[Clove]

He would have some success but not nearly the success he's had in NE. If you think he would put up the staggering numbers with the Cowboys he's putting up in NE you better think again. Welker is entering his 11th year and will be 32 when the 2013 season starts. With Dez and Jason Witten he's not going to come close to 100+ catches and 1300+ yards with the Cowboys.

Before he arrived in NE he put up 67 catches for 687 yards his final season in Miami those are the kind of numbers you'll probably see with the Cowboys and with the contract he's going to demand he's not going to be worth it.

One of those where the scheme is better than the players.

 

[joseephuss]

One of those where the scheme is better than the players.

I don't know if the scheme is better than the players. At least some of those players. I think the scheme is well tailored for the players they have. It is a good combination of both.

 

[cowfan]

Don't need Welker. They better improve the offensive line.

 

[Hoofbite]

Welker caught 67 passes for 687 yards his last season in Miami then the following year exploded for 112 catches and 1,175 yards in NE. You don't think Brady and the system had something to do with that? He went from an average team to a great team that has a HOF QB and head coach. Welker is not going to produce huge numbers on an average team that doesn't have great coaching or a Tom Brady.

With Dez's emergence and Jason Witten Romo's security blanket putting up over 100 catches last season there won't be enough balls to go around for Welker to produce enough to live up to the contract it would take to sign him. The Cowboys have far more pressing needs than to waste their money on an aging slot receiver who could be finished in a couple of years.

I don't want to sign the guy. Not interested in him at all. I like watching him play but I don't see the need to invest more into a position that has plenty of talent.

At the same time, I don't think looking at what he did as a 3rd year player with Daunte Culpepper and Joey Harrington as his QB is a very reasonable way to assess what he could do for your team.

The guy only started 3 games prior to getting to New England. Granted he had played in 30 during his 2nd and 3rd year but as a guy who went undrafted, got cut from his first team 1 week into his rookie season before being picked up solely as a return man and developing over the next couple years, I'm not sure what anyone would expect.

While his production did increase when he went from a horrible QB to a great QB, I'm not sure we wouldn't expect the same from other top WRs. Doubtful Dez has the season he had if he were playing in Jacksonville last year.

I think he's a very good WR and while I would expect that he wouldn't likely get 120 catches on almost all the other teams in the league, I think he would be a damn good player and still get a high number of receptions just about anywhere.

Just a quick look but he appears to obliterate every other WR in catches, YAC and 1st Down Receptions since 2007.

In terms of YAC, it's pretty impressive. Best YAC for WRs in 5 of those seasons, being the best overall in the NFL for 3. Only two seasons he was beaten out it was by Ray Rice and Brian Westbrook. The last season, he missed 11 games and still had the 4th best YAC amongst receivers and without a doubt would have been #1 again with those missed games because #1 is less than 90 yards ahead of him.

If Dallas had a need at WR, I wouldn't look at his time in Miami to determine what he can do for this team. Dallas has a QB lightyears ahead of that 2006 Dolphins team and that pretty much makes all the difference. Of course the Brady factor is in play because Brady is unreal and perhaps more importantly those guys are on the same wavelength like Romo and Witten are but Welker is an excellent player.