WOW, did you zoners hear Nate Newton yesterday on Pat McQuistan?

[Bob Sacamano]

btw, Hudson Houck probably had say in the trade for Montrae Holland, got to watch him up close in a few practices

speaks volumes that his former charge, who he knew for at least a year, wasn't brought in, not even for a looksee...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

true. But you know what I'm getting at and you also know that our backs up have a long way to go and can't be counted on in case on injuries.

you never hope that your backups have to play

that's while I'll wish for no more inuries to the starters

 

[dogunwo]

This isn't some kiddie league we don't need to cuddle people that don't perform if he can't play has to little experience and can't fill in when people are injured then he shouldn't be there.

I am pretty sure you mean "coddle" big boy.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

you never hope that your backups have to play

that's while I'll wish for no more inuries to the starters

yea but you expect them to be ready and prepared in case of injuries

 

[Stash]

it's not just that he's from a small school, it's that he played there for 2 years

he's very inexperienced because of that, and the process is going to take longer than most, how hard is that to understand?

I understand that he's an incapable project that the Cowboys can't use and quite frankly don't need to wait on. If he was some talented 'gem'? Maybe. But he's not even that. He's simply a 7th round gamble who can't play.

that's why noone wants him?

Yeah, just like why noone wanted Owens, Tank, or Pacman I guess. Again, the guy is 26 years old, a year older than your favorite project - the guy who can't play.

the difference is between bad and good

Fonoti is bad (shown he can be good - very good)

Olivia is bad (shown he can be good)

Free is bad (shown little)

McQ is bad (shown he can't play)

Marten is bad (shown he should be bagging groceries)

Proctor is bad (sucks less than Marten and McQ)

all you do is play Madden on here

Jones

Fonoti

Olivia

all of them suck

yet they are somehow answers to you, because they had some sort of hype attached to their names at one point

No, they get mentioned because unlike the stiffs on the current roster, they've shown that they can play football at the NFL level.

talk about steering a debate off-topic, Aaron Glenn is gone, get over it

you need players who can play special teams as much as you need a coach

Yeah, apparently when your coach is this bad, you need about fifty of 'em!

 

[Stash]

good point

but noone in Dallas, or anywhere else, sees Colombo in Tony freakin' Fonoti

But apparently you do in Marten and McQ?

:laugh2:

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I am pretty sure you mean "coddle" big boy.

I meant cuddle.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I understand that he's an incapable project that the Cowboys can't use and quite frankly don't need to wait on. If he was some talented 'gem'? Maybe. But he's not even that. He's simply a 7th round gamble who can't play.

why do we keep him around if he's just a non-talented, former 7th round pick then?

Yeah, just like why noone wanted Owens, Tank, or Pacman I guess. Again, the guy is 26 years old, a year older than your favorite project - the guy who can't play.

please

none of them would last a day on the waiver-wire

Fonoti is bad (shown he can be good - very good)

Olivia is bad (shown he can be good)

that's why Fonoti has bounced around and is currently unemployed?

why Olivia has been cut twice in 2 years?

just because other players around them were good-very good, doesnt' mean they are

and Houck was familiar w/ Fonoti, and goes w/ Montrae Holland, hmmm, explain that?

No, they get mentioned because unlike the stiffs on the current roster, they've shown that they can play football at the NFL level.

not very well, or they would be a commodity

Yeah, apparently when your coach is this bad, you need about fifty of 'em!

you need quality

 

[Bob Sacamano]

But apparently you do in Marten and McQ?

:laugh2:

I don't know what we have in them

that's why they are still developing

 

[Stash]

why do we keep him around if he's just a non-talented, former 7th round pick then?

You tell me. That's the question I'm asking. Of both McQuistan and Marten.

none of them would last a day on the waiver-wire

Really? The only guy the Cowboys had to trade for was Pacman. And they were the only team in the running!

that's why Fonoti has bounced around and is currently unemployed?

why Olivia has been cut twice in 2 years?

Look up the issues I mentioned earlier, that's why they're available. If they - like several others here - can overcome those issues, they're both good players. Can they? That remains to be seen.

just because other players around them were good-very good, doesnt' mean they are

[sarcasm]Yeah, both were surrounded by Pro Bowlers like Dallas has here[/sarcasm]

not very well, or they would be a commodity

Yeah, like the gems we have that teams are burning up the phones trying to get?

It's obvious that you're apparenlty satisfied with the Cowboys' backup linemen while I am not.

I'll leave it at that.

you need quality

Coaching?

Yeah, you do.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You tell me. That's the question I'm asking. Of both McQuistan and Marten.

only explanation I have on McQ is talent

or he would have been gone just as fast as Walden

Marten, it could be just pride, because he was such a high pick

Really? The only guy the Cowboys had to trade for was Pacman. And they were the only team in the running!

if the Titans released PacMan, I'm sure every team would have been on notice and ready to snatch him up

Look up the issues I mentioned earlier, that's why they're available. If they - like several others here - can overcome those issues, they're both good players. Can they? That remains to be seen.

but you won't give that luxury to 2, developing players?

[sarcasm]Yeah, both were surrounded by Pro Bowlers like Dallas has here[/sarcasm]

oh, so those 2 made the San Diego Oline? gotcha

Yeah, like the gems we have that teams are burning up the phones trying to get?

It's obvious that you're apparenlty satisfied with the Cowboys' backup linemen while I am not.

I'll leave it at that.

burning up the phones to trade for still developing players?

I'm not satisfied, I'm just realistic and am willing to be patient w/ them

Coaching?

Yeah, you do.

a few posts above I said players and coaching are equal, so yeah

 

[dogunwo]

I think if Matt Jones was on the Cowboys and Crayton was on the Jags you would have never heard about Crayton and Jones would be a top tier WR.

This has to absolutely be your worst post ever. That was a hard feat you just accomplished there.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

This has to absolutely be your worst post ever. That was a hard feat you just accomplished there.

dude hop off

 

[Stash]

only explanation I have on McQ is talent

or he would have been gone just as fast as Walden

Marten, it could be just pride, because he was such a high pick

Fair enough, at least you offered one.

My thinking on McQ is that he's familiar with the scheme, that's what's keeping him around.

As for Marten, I'm with you. I think the team is reluctant to admit such a big mistake so soon after Jacob Rogers. To me, that just makes the original mistake worse.

if the Titans released PacMan, I'm sure every team would have been on notice and ready to snatch him up

Again, agreed. I was merely attempting to compare players with 'issues'.

but you won't give that luxury to 2, developing players?

I guess my thinking is that I would rather try to 'reclaim' a player who has shown me at some point that he can play over one who to date has not shown me the same.

oh, so those 2 made the San Diego Oline? gotcha

No, but both more than held their own as starters there. Both showed they could be starters at the very least. None of the Cowboys' current backups has ever shown that much.

burning up the phones to trade for still developing players?

I'm not satisfied, I'm just realistic and am willing to be patient w/ them

And again, I'm not willing to be patient any longer. That's the root of our disagreement on this one.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Fair enough, at least you offered one.

My thinking on McQ is that he's familiar with the scheme, that's what's keeping him around.

As for Marten, I'm with you. I think the team is reluctant to admit such a big mistake so soon after Jacob Rogers. To me, that just makes the original mistake worse.

Marten could also be the talent that made him a 3rd round pick too

I don't know what's up, that's why I'm willing to wait before coming to conclusions

Again, agreed. I was merely attempting to compare players with 'issues'.

but the big difference is that TO/PacMan/Tank's issues were off the field, not on it

I guess my thinking is that I would rather try to 'reclaim' a player who has shown me at some point that he can play over one who to date has not shown me the same.

I think you overrate their contributions, but that's just me

I think Olivia is an alright player, he's supposed to be good in the running game, but I think he has alot of baggage

No, but both more than held their own as starters there. Both showed they could be starters at the very least. None of the Cowboys' current backups has ever shown that much.

fair enough, I'd rather just no more starters go down w/ injury

we're screwed either way, esp. at LT, if a starter go down, not so much at OG

And again, I'm not willing to be patient any longer. That's the root of our disagreement on this one.

I'm just a patient person I guess

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Marten could also be the talent that made him a 3rd round pick too

I don't know what's up, that's why I'm willing to wait before coming to conclusions



but the big difference is that TO/PacMan/Tank's issues were off the field, not on it



I think you overrate their contributions, but that's just me

I think Olivia is an alright player, he's supposed to be good in the running game, but I think he has alot of baggage



fair enough, I'd rather just no more starters go down w/ injury

we're screwed either way, esp. at LT, if a starter go down, not so much at OG



I'm just a patient person I guess

Man we could prob pull guys in off the streets and they would be more capable back ups..... i wish Larry Allen didn't retire it would have been sweet having him again although I doubt he can still play.

 

[Stash]

Marten could also be the talent that made him a 3rd round pick too

If you could show me one shred of evidence supporting that, I would actually try to believe it. Every piece of information I have ever seen says 'can't play'.

I don't know what's up, that's why I'm willing to wait before coming to conclusions

I don't consider it 'jumping' at this point.

but the big difference is that TO/PacMan/Tank's issues were off the field, not on it

You should research that. Both guy's problems came from off-field stuff.

I think you overrate their contributions, but that's just me

I think Olivia is an alright player, he's supposed to be good in the running game, but I think he has alot of baggage

He does have that - both do. But this team hasn't been scared off by baggage lately.

Fonoti's biggest issue was weight and reports were that he had gotten it under control. He was the Panthers' starter at one point but lost out to Keydrick Vincent. Carolina then went with their draft pick instead.

Olivea was released because he had hurt his back while with the Giants. Word was that it was a temporary thing, but the Giants had depth and decided to move on.

fair enough, I'd rather just no more starters go down w/ injury

Again, we agree. I'd like to never see any too.

we're screwed either way, esp. at LT, if a starter go down, not so much at OG

I think at either tackle.

I'm just a patient person I guess

Guess I'm not as patient.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If you could show me one shred of evidence supporting that, I would actually try to believe it. Every piece of information I have ever seen says 'can't play'.

could it be more mental? something made him a 3rd round pick, I believe part of that was talent

I don't consider it 'jumping' at this point.



You should research that. Both guy's problems came from off-field stuff.

but nothing they've done, or are capable of, have been enough to offset those issues

He does have that - both do. But this team hasn't been scared off by baggage lately.

Fonoti's biggest issue was weight and reports were that he had gotten it under control. He was the Panthers' starter at one point but lost out to Keydrick Vincent. Carolina then went with their draft pick instead.

Olivea was released because he had hurt his back while with the Giants. Word was that it was a temporary thing, but the Giants had depth and decided to move on.

getting beat out by Keydrick Vincent is not a good thing

we have to face facts, neither are good enough to stop the development of our younger linemen

same deal w/ not going after Matt Jones, we've invested time and energy into these guys, and are going to see it through, and they have had to show our team something, or they would be gone, just like Walden, or Skyler Green went so quickly

 

[DaBoys4Life]

same deal w/ not going after Matt Jones, we've invested time and energy into these guys, and are going to see it through, and they have had to show our team something, or they would be gone, just like Walden, or Skyler Green went so quickly

Carp has shown next to nothing yet he is still here.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Carp has shown next to nothing yet he is still here.

he's been praised all offseason

try again