WR Zay Flowers in the 1st round?

[CowboyoWales]

Gallup is not a guarantee he will ever get back to 100%. Brandin Cooks is only signed through next year. What other starting material receivers (other than CeeDee) do we have?

I spy a "Blame the Receivers" agenda....How on earth did we beat Bucc's and Eagles with such a poor receiver corp. Cooks and his particular skillset improves both CeeDee (less doubling up) and Gallup who's relegated to 3rd. Flowers is a fit with his routes, slot/outside ability, but as in the 9ers game, we fell apart due to the inability to run the ball after Pollard went down....

Zierlein say:
"Needs to do a better job of finding optimal holes in zone coverage"
That's the rub especially as we struggle against zone coverage, especially the 9ers who've worked it to a tee.

If we want a WR, in the 1st, then Flowers would be my choice, just dont think we do.

 

[cnuball21]

I spy a "Blame the Receivers" agenda....How on earth did we beat Bucc's and Eagles with such a poor receiver corp. Cooks and his particular skillset improves both CeeDee (less doubling up) and Gallup who's relegated to 3rd. Flowers is a fit with his routes, slot/outside ability, but as in the 9ers game, we fell apart due to the inability to run the ball after Pollard went down....

Zierlein say:
"Needs to do a better job of finding optimal holes in zone coverage"
That's the rub especially as we struggle against zone coverage, especially the 9ers who've worked it to a tee.

If we want a WR, in the 1st, then Flowers would be my choice, just dont think we do.

We’ve already went over this…because our QB played out of his mind.

Everyone not named Lamb last year was like outside the top 60 in separation per route run. The WRs were awful…we needed to blow up the room and rebuild outside of Lamb and it appears we’re doing that with the addition of Cooks and visiting with just about every top WR.

 

[CowboyoWales]

We’ve already went over this…because our QB played out of his mind.

Everyone not named Lamb last year was like outside the top 60 in separation per route run. The WRs were awful…we needed to blow up the room and rebuild outside of Lamb and it appears we’re doing that with the addition of Cooks and visiting with just about every top WR.

No, it's because both Dak and receivers are better against a blitzing man defense (OR IS IT PURE COINCIDENCE).
To beat the 9ers (who've still the powerhouse) we need to establish the run (eg - we lost the 9ers game mainly because the run game failed after Pollard.

An argument could be made that we didn't have visits with Tyler nor Micah and there may be a smoke and mirror effect as there are 3 teams just behind us that need receiving.
Cooks gives a different receiving skillet a receiving corp which beat the Eagles, Buccs and plated pretty well in first half v 9ers (despite two IT'S).
You're looking at the draft from purely a Draft a WR at 26 perspective, I dont think that's what Dak needs, he needs us to stop teams flooding the secondary.

 

[cnuball21]

No, it's because both Dak and receivers are better against a blitzing man defense (OR IS IT PURE COINCIDENCE).
To beat the 9ers (who've still the powerhouse) we need to establish the run (eg - we lost the 9ers game mainly because the run game failed after Pollard.

An argument could be made that we didn't have visits with Tyler nor Micah and there may be a smoke and mirror effect as there are 3 teams just behind us that need receiving.
Cooks gives a different receiving skillet a receiving corp which beat the Eagles, Buccs and plated pretty well in first half v 9ers (despite two IT'S).
You're looking at the draft from purely a Draft a WR at 26 perspective, I dont think that's what Dak needs, he needs us to stop teams flooding the secondary.

That’s actually incorrect. Daks passer rating was about 20+ points higher against zone last year. We struggled more against man, bc surprise, no one outside or Lamb could separate.

I’m all about solidifying the run game bc we need to be balanced, but if we want to beat the 49ers, we need guys that can step up outside or Lamb. The weakness of their D is their secondary.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I spy a "Blame the Receivers" agenda....How on earth did we beat Bucc's and Eagles with such a poor receiver corp. Cooks and his particular skillset improves both CeeDee (less doubling up) and Gallup who's relegated to 3rd. Flowers is a fit with his routes, slot/outside ability, but as in the 9ers game, we fell apart due to the inability to run the ball after Pollard went down....

Zierlein say:
"Needs to do a better job of finding optimal holes in zone coverage"
That's the rub especially as we struggle against zone coverage, especially the 9ers who've worked it to a tee.

If we want a WR, in the 1st, then Flowers would be my choice, just dont think we do.

So you're for drafting WR Zay Flowers with our 1st round pick, but you also believe we had no holes at WR last year and leading up to today's roster? You're contradicting yourself.

 

[America's Cowboy]

We’ve already went over this…because our QB played out of his mind.

Everyone not named Lamb last year was like outside the top 60 in separation per route run. The WRs were awful…we needed to blow up the room and rebuild outside of Lamb and it appears we’re doing that with the addition of Cooks and visiting with just about every top WR.

This! ^^^^

 

[CowboyoWales]

So you're for drafting WR Zay Flowers with our 1st round pick, but you also believe we had no holes at WR last year and leading up to today's roster? You're contradicting yourself.

I'm saying I wouldn't be adverse to picking him, the flexi, speed and routes will help, however, I just think schematically a WR isn't the best way to improve our Offense (particularly against zonal)....I think we've improved quite significantly at receiver with Cooks skillets and we'd be better off improving the run game or TE.

 

[CowboyoWales]

That’s actually incorrect. Daks passer rating was about 20+ points higher against zone last year. We struggled more against man, bc surprise, no one outside or Lamb could separate.

I don't agree with the zonal issue based on Comms and 9ers defeats and the limited number of blitzes (there are outliers in those figures eg Buccs Game 1).

I’m all about solidifying the run game bc we need to be balanced, but if we want to beat the 49ers, we need guys that can step up outside or Lamb. The weakness of their D is their sesecondary.

Their secondary isn't weak against us.... because Dak has difficulty with the post snap zonal shift (eg second Int to Lamb), there's nothing any receiver would do....we need to limit the safeties .
The issue with your argument is that every thread you've defended/supported taking ANY receiver. I've just a broader approach...OK Flowers, but upgrade at TE (to accompany the improvement at WR), or O-Line provide better results.

 

[cnuball21]

I don't agree with the zonal issue based on Comms and 9ers defeats and the limited number of blitzes (there are outliers in those figures eg Buccs Game 1).

Their secondary isn't weak against us.... because Dak has difficulty with the post snap zonal shift (eg second Int to Lamb), there's nothing any receiver would do....we need to limit the safeties .
The issue with your argument is that every thread you've defended/supported taking ANY receiver. I've just a broader approach...OK Flowers, but upgrade at TE (to accompany the improvement at WR), or O-Line provide better results.

You can believe and think whatever you want but the data tells the story. Numbers don’t lie.

 

[John813]

We don't need a TE or a DE, so that eliminates 2 positions.

No way in Hell should we use another super costly 1st round pick on Oline. If any Oline coach can't coach up this group of Olinemen, that Oline coach needs to be fired on the spot!

To use a 1st round pick on a Kicker is beyond crazy. End of discussion.

CB is not of need. We already have lots of CBs on this team.

LBs we have plenty, especially since Dan Quinn only starts 2 LBs with the defensive package he usually uses.

RB and WR are the only positions left of dire need. So, once again, which WR (or RB) would you take with our 26th overall pick?

A WR lineup of CDL, Cooks, Gallup > Ferguson & Hendershot.

I think we are ok at TE but it's projecting Ferg can handle #1 loads. The WR lineup is proven, TE not so much.
I'm not a fan of a TE in round 1, but on the other hand there could be several TE's there that have higher upside than the ones on the roster.

As for edge, Lawrence is here for another year then his contract becomes favorable to release along with Armstrong(UFA).

If they have McDonald higher than Flowers, they should go that round.

 

[CowboyoWales]

You can believe and think whatever you want but the data tells the story. Numbers don’t lie.

They do lie when they are basic stats without analysis. Like your assessment of Dak Elite v Buccs and Eagles, Receiver's Bad v 9ers and Comms.
To me the difference in the 4 games are that Dak actually prefers the blitz and man coverage, but struggles vrs 9ers and Comm who stayed in zone.
Now call it coincidental, however, we were decent in the 9ers game until Pollard went down and who caught the TD pass.

 

[cnuball21]

They do lie when they are basic stats without analysis. Like your assessment of Dak Elite v Buccs and Eagles, Receiver's Bad v 9ers and Comms.
To me the difference in the 4 games are that Dak actually prefers the blitz and man coverage, but struggles vrs 9ers and Comm who stayed in zone.
Now call it coincidental, however, we were decent in the 9ers game until Pollard went down and who caught the TD pass.

Again, you’re more than welcome to have your opinion and that’s perfectly fine. MG or Brown never passed 50 yards in a game in those big wins you’re referencing.

I have mine which is actually based off of metrics and stats supporting that Dak was better against zone than man last year. By a fairly decent margin to boot.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Again, you’re more than welcome to have your opinion and that’s perfectly fine.

I have mine which is actually based off of metrics and stats supporting that Dak was better against zone than man last year. By a fairly decent margin to boot.

That kind of analysis is exactly why get in trouble vrs 9ers. Any good Defense plays zone against us.....give me a link to the stats.

 

[big dog cowboy]

RB and WR are the only positions left of dire need.

Dire need of a WR?

 

[cnuball21]

That kind of analysis is exactly why get in trouble vrs 9ers. Any good Defense plays zone against us.....give me a link to the stats.

No we got in trouble vs the 49ers because we lost one of our best playmakers in Pollard and our WRs aren’t good enough. Obi soupy Dak playing poorly didn’t help. The Eagles and Bucs have good defenses and Dak shredded them.

The internet is your friend. Playerprofiler has these stats.

Also from the Eagles game:

“Dak Prescott earned a season-high 91 NGS passing score in Week 16.Prescott completed all 24 of his passes against zone coverage for 300 yards & 3 TD, becoming the only player to earn a perfect 99 NGS passing score vs zone in a game since 2018.”

 

[CowboyoWales]

No we got in trouble vs the 49ers because we lost one of our best playmakers in Pollard and our WRs aren’t good enough. Obi soupy Dak playing poorly didn’t help. The Eagles and Bucs have good defenses and Dak shredded them.

The internet is your friend. Playerprofiler has these stats.

Also from the Eagles game:

“Dak Prescott earned a season-high 91 NGS passing score in Week 16.Prescott completed all 24 of his passes against zone coverage for 300 yards & 3 TD, becoming the only player to earn a perfect 99 NGS passing score vs zone in a game since 2018.”

And without Pollard we had no running game, so secondary sits.

 

[cnuball21]

And without Pollard we had no running game, so secondary sits.

Can’t argue that. Healthy Pollard and a mid rounder I feel great about our running game. Our run blocking was great last year our pass pro just wasn’t that good.

Give me TP / someone like Izzy and the LBs and potentially a safety have to respect the run game. Add in the addition of Cooks + a quality WR prospect and someone is getting 1:1 or a soft zone look.

You need all that to beat the 49ers. Their D is so freaking good you have to be able to attack them everywhere.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

If WR Zay Flowers drops to the Cowboys 26th pick in the 1st round, they should take him. Yes, he's only 5'9", 185 lbs, but he runs a 4.42 40 and is excellent in getting open early as well as spreading the field deep, along with running for big yards YAC and making big plays after the catch. He also is experienced in college at playing all 3 receiving spots. Check out his film...



PFF Fantasy Football also believes Zay Flowers would make the Cowboys Offense so DANGEROUS!



What say you? Should the Cowboys pick Zay Flowers if he drops to them in the 1st round at pick 26?

For me, no. Nothing against the guy, for comparison I note Steve Smith, a likely HOFer, was listed at 5-9 and 195, Flowers could and probably will add a few pounds once he's a full time player, but it does little good to have a speedy receiver if your quarterback is flat on his back under a 265 lb defensive end or 325 lb defensive tackle because the line can't protect him. Or if your cornerbacks give up 50 yd touchdown passes twice a game because your DL can't get to quarterback in less than 6 seconds.

Just bigger needs in the first round than WR...

 

[CowboyoWales]

Can’t argue that. Healthy Pollard and a mid rounder I feel great about our running game. Our run blocking was great last year our pass pro just wasn’t that good.

Give me TP / someone like Izzy and the LBs and potentially a safety have to respect the run game. Add in the addition of Cooks + a quality WR prospect and someone is getting 1:1 or a soft zone look.

You need all that to beat the 49ers. Their D is so freaking good you have to be able to attack them everywhere.

I read up on the Eagles game and yes they played mostly zone, but we did have that much ignored (even when open) Hilton making that great catch.

 

[Risen Star]

Flowers in the first round and Devon Achane in the 2nd and we hang half a hundred on fools.