WR Zay Flowers in the 1st round?

[xwalker]

We don't need a TE or a DE, so that eliminates 2 positions.

No way in Hell should we use another super costly 1st round pick on Oline. If any Oline coach can't coach up this group of Olinemen, that Oline coach needs to be fired on the spot!

To use a 1st round pick on a Kicker is beyond crazy. End of discussion.

CB is not of need. We already have lots of CBs on this team.

LBs we have plenty, especially since Dan Quinn only starts 2 LBs with the defensive package he usually uses.

RB and WR are the only positions left of dire need. So, once again, which WR (or RB) would you take with our 26th overall pick?

I would take Flowers over the big WR Quentin Johnston; however, I'm not enamored with taking any of the 2023 WR prospects in the 1st round.

They should draft BPA.

DT seems like the biggest need to me but the draft options at #26 are not good.

• We don't need a TE or a DE, so that eliminates 2 positions.
• DE:
  • I think they would like to go back to using Parsons the way they used him in 2021.
  • He had 13 sacks in 2021 while playing primarily as a LB.
  • He had 13.5 sacks in 2022 while playing primarily as a DE.
• TE:
  • The least experienced position group on the team.

• No way in Hell should we use another super costly 1st round pick on Oline. If any Oline coach can't coach up this group of Olinemen, that Oline coach needs to be fired on the spot!
  • Drafting is not only about the immediate season.
  • Tyron will highly likely be gone in 2024. I think he might have been gone this year if not for the Steele injury.
  • Steele has been good but if the team has no viable options in 2024 they'll be forced to overpay him.

• To use a 1st round pick on a Kicker is beyond crazy. End of discussion.
  • Did somebody suggest that? That would be moronic.

• CB is not of need. We already have lots of CBs on this team.
  • Very similar need to WR.
    • CB / WR
    • Diggs / Lamb
    • Gilmore / Cooks
    • Bland / Gallup
  • Who is the 3rd CB if one of the top 3 is injured.
  • Who is the 2nd outside CB in 2024? Maybe Bland but he might be most valuable as the inside (Nickel) CB.

• LBs we have plenty, especially since Dan Quinn only starts 2 LBs with the defensive package he usually uses.
  • Both LVE and Clark have had back/neck issues.
  • I expect Clark to be good, but he is unproven. They played over-the-hill Barr over him in the playoffs.
  • Kearse plays LB on about half the snaps. His eventual replacement might college coverage LB instead of a Safety.
  • McClay talked about this when the signed UDFA Bell last year. They liked that Bell had played LB in college before moving to Safety.

• RB and WR are the only positions left of dire need. So, once again, which WR (or RB) would you take with our 26th overall pick?
• RB
  • They don't need a starting RB.
  • They obviously need depth because we say what happened when Pollard was injured in the playoff game.
  • Obviously, it would be good to get a 2024 starter in this draft which would give them an option if Pollard is too expensive.

 

[baltcowboy]

Flowers being covered by a 3rd corner, safety or linebacker……. Sign me up.

 

[eromeopolk]

• Calvin Johnson
  • Pro Football Hall of Fame (2021)
  • 3× First-team All-Pro (2011–2013)
  • Second-team All-Pro (2010)
  • 6× Pro Bowl (2010–2015)
  • 2× NFL receiving yards leader (2011, 2012)
  • NFL receptions leader (2012)
  • NFL receiving touchdowns co-leader (2008)
  • NFL 2010s All-Decade Team
  • PFWA All-Rookie Team (2007)
  • Detroit Lions All-Time Team
• NFL records
  • Most receiving yards in a season: 1,964
  • Most consecutive 100-yard receiving games: 8

What? Reading is fundamental.

2003	2003	NFL	NFC	North	4th	5	11	0	.313			Steve Mariucci
2004	2004	NFL	NFC	North	3rd	6	10	0	.375
2005	2005	NFL	NFC	North	3rd	5	11	0	.313			Steve Mariucci (4–7) Dick Jauron (1–4)
2006	2006	NFL	NFC	North	4th	3	13	0	.188			Rod Marinelli
2007	2007	NFL	NFC	North	3rd	7	9	0	.438
2008	2008	NFL	NFC	North	4th	0	16	0	.000
2009	2009	NFL	NFC	North	4th	2	14	0	.125			Jim Schwartz
2010	2010	NFL	NFC	North	3rd	6	10	0	.375		Ndamukong Suh (DROY)

1st round picks
2003 - Charles Rodgers WR
2004 - Roy Williams WR
2005 - Mike Williams WR
2006 - Ernie Sims LB
2007 - Calvin Johnson WR

Go ahead draft a WR over and over again in the 1st round. Jonesboys did not need to draft a WR in the 1st round in 2020 and do not need draft a WR in the first round in 2023. 2nd round maybe....Tony Hill 2nd round pick, Drew Pearson UDFA, Antonio Brown 5th round pick, Tyreek Hill who is also 5-10/5-9, 5th round pick.

 

[xwalker]

What? Reading is fundamental.

2003	2003	NFL	NFC	North	4th	5	11	0	.313			Steve Mariucci
2004	2004	NFL	NFC	North	3rd	6	10	0	.375
2005	2005	NFL	NFC	North	3rd	5	11	0	.313			Steve Mariucci (4–7) Dick Jauron (1–4)
2006	2006	NFL	NFC	North	4th	3	13	0	.188			Rod Marinelli
2007	2007	NFL	NFC	North	3rd	7	9	0	.438
2008	2008	NFL	NFC	North	4th	0	16	0	.000
2009	2009	NFL	NFC	North	4th	2	14	0	.125			Jim Schwartz
2010	2010	NFL	NFC	North	3rd	6	10	0	.375		Ndamukong Suh (DROY)

1st round picks
2003 - Charles Rodgers WR
2004 - Roy Williams WR
2005 - Mike Williams WR
2006 - Ernie Sims LB
2007 - Calvin Johnson WR

Go ahead draft a WR over and over again in the 1st round. Jonesboys did not need to draft a WR in the 1st round in 2020 and do not need draft a WR in the first round in 2023. 2nd round maybe....Tony Hill 2nd round pick, Drew Pearson UDFA, Antonio Brown 5th round pick, Tyreek Hill who is also 5-10/5-9, 5th round pick.

I know who the Lions drafted.

When one of the WRs is Calvin Johnson, it's not a complete fail.

 

[eromeopolk]

Not how that happened. Rocket Ismail decided to take the CFL offer after the Cowboys had acquired the 1st overall pick in that draft...

The projected first overall selection in the 1991 NFL Draft, Ismail decided at the last minute to sign a record contract with the Toronto Argonauts of the Canadian Football League starting during their 1991 season. As a result, he was chosen by the Los Angeles Raiders with the 100th overall pick in the draft.

After Bruce McNall purchased the Toronto Argonauts with hockey player Wayne Gretzky and actor John Candy, the Argonauts made Ismail a groundbreaking offer for a CFL player: $18.2 million over four years. The average value of his full contract, $4.55 million per season, was more than the anticipated 2006 CFL salary cap of $3.8 million per team. The CFL had a salary cap in place since 1991, but the rules contained an exemption for a "marquee player" who would not count against the cap. Doug Flutie of the BC Lions was about to be paid $1 million under the exemption, but Ismail's contract was more than anything North American football had ever seen, as his yearly salary was then the largest in Canadian or American football history. By comparison, the highest paid NFL player at the time was Joe Montana earning $3.25 million per year.

Jerry Dumbo GM Jones thought he was getting rocket with the 1991 trade up. Jimmy went up to get Maryland, negotiated and had him signed) and Jerry Dumbo GM Jones was ticked off at Johnson, Waterboy (fired after the draft), and John Wooten (left after the 1991 season).

READ...

NEWS

With no Rocket on its launchpad, NFL draft has trouble taking flight​

By Gary Myers
Baltimore Sun
•
Apr 21, 1991 at 12:00 am

NEW YORK — NEW YORK -- The Rocket took the money -- a guaranteed four-year, $18.2 million deal from the Canadian Football League -- and did what he does best. He ran. And who says he's not an impact player. The Rocket caused total chaos in a never-ending first round at yesterday's NFL draft.
When Raghib Ismail decided to accept Bruce McNall's offer to play for the Toronto Argonauts in the minor-league-like CFL rather than take Dallas' five-year, $10 million proposal, it threw an already unpredictable draft totally off.
And the Rocket was not forgotten yesterday. He went from pick No. 1 to pick No. 100 when Al Davis took him in the fourth round. The Raiders will retain his rights until the 1995 draft -- about eight months after his CFL contract expires. Davis took a similar gamble, and won, with Bo Jackson.
The Cowboys, behaving as if they didn't care about losing the electrifying Rocket, set off the longest first round (4:55) since 1967 by taking smallish University of Miami defensive tackle Russell Maryland.

 

[eromeopolk]

I know who the Lions drafted.

When one of the WRs is Calvin Johnson, it's not a complete fail.

LOOK AT THE TEAM RECORD during his horrid time with the Lions. Calvin Johnson only saw 2 playoff games from 2007-2015 and lost both in the first round. That's what a bunch of WRs get you in the 1st round.

 

[eromeopolk]

Kevin Williams was the #2 WR and 16 game plus playoffs starter in the 1995 Super Bowl winning season...

Jimmy Johnson traded out of the 1993 1st round to pick up an additional 2nd round pick. He then drafted Kevin Willams WR and Darrin Smith LB with both 2nd round picks (see Miami connection already discuss regarding 1991 Russell Maryland). He was not going to draft a 5-9 WR in the 1st round even with reported 4.25 40yd time speed (Kevin Williams reported 40yd time).

Zay Flowers is not 1st round WR talent....in no draft. Pick him up in the 2nd or let some other team waste a 1st round pick on him. Good grief the Cowboys got K-Mart in 4th round and Zay Flowers is almost a carbon copy.

Learn from me grasshopper.

 

[rambo2]

Jimmy Johnson traded out of the 1993 1st round to pick up an additional 2nd round pick. He then drafted Kevin Willams WR and Darrin Smith LB with both 2nd round picks (see Miami connection already discuss regarding 1991 Russell Maryland). He was not going to draft a 5-9 WR in the 1st round even with reported 4.25 40yd time speed (Kevin Williams reported 40yd time).

Zay Flowers is not 1st round WR talent....in no draft. Pick him up in the 2nd or let some other team waste a 1st round pick on him. Good grief the Cowboys got K-Mart in 4th round and Zay Flowers is almost a carbon copy.

Learn from me grasshopper.

Flowers will go between picks 23 and 40. If the Cowboys draft him, it won't be a mistake.

When you can take the stone from my hand, time for you to leave.

 

[cnuball21]

Flowers will go between picks 23 and 40. If the Cowboys draft him, it won't be a mistake.

When you can take the stone from my hand, time for you to leave.

I’d be surprised if he’s available at 26. Have heard the Pats are high on him and he could go as early as top 15.

He’s WR1 for me this year.

 

[Proof]

Yea, welcome to the party.

you HAVE to add “pal”

 

[Aliencowboy]

If WR Zay Flowers drops to the Cowboys 26th pick in the 1st round, they should take him. Yes, he's only 5'9", 185 lbs, but he runs a 4.42 40 and is excellent in getting open early as well as spreading the field deep, along with running for big yards YAC and making big plays after the catch. He also is experienced in college at playing all 3 receiving spots. Check out his film...



PFF Fantasy Football also believes Zay Flowers would make the Cowboys Offense so DANGEROUS!



What say you? Should the Cowboys pick Zay Flowers if he drops to them in the 1st round at pick 26?

Lamb at running back? Uh no. 4 wide? 5? Flowers is a solid pick at 26

 

[America's Cowboy]

Lamb at running back? Uh no. 4 wide? 5? Flowers is a solid pick at 26

Lol. I noticed that. I believe PFF Fantasy Football meant to put "WR" above CeeDee's picture.

 

[Acceptablename]

I wasn’t for a wide receiver but I hadn’t looked at Jake flowers. OK by me

 

[xwalker]

Jerry Dumbo GM Jones thought he was getting rocket with the 1991 trade up. Jimmy went up to get Maryland, negotiated and had him signed) and Jerry Dumbo GM Jones was ticked off at Johnson, Waterboy (fired after the draft), and John Wooten (left after the 1991 season).

READ...

Wrong.

The article you posted supports exactly what I posted. They were going to draft Rocket and even had contract discussions with him. Rocket took the CFL offer.

 

[xwalker]

LOOK AT THE TEAM RECORD during his horrid time with the Lions. Calvin Johnson only saw 2 playoff games from 2007-2015 and lost both in the first round. That's what a bunch of WRs get you in the 1st round.

You can try to move the goalposts but drafting Calvin Johnson is not a failed draft.

 

[eromeopolk]

Wrong.

The article you posted supports exactly what I posted. They were going to draft Rocket and even had contract discussions with him. Rocket took the CFL offer.

You can try to move the goalposts but drafting Calvin Johnson is not a failed draft.

Nope. Jerry want to draft him, just like he wanted to draft Tony Mandrich. Johnson, Ackles, and Wooten had already talked to "Team Maryland" and let "Team Rocket" fizzle. Russell Maryland was not a back up plan to Rocket Ismail. You have got to be crazy to believe Jimmy Johnson, who was called "Pig Face Satan" by Notre Dame, got cheated by Notre Dame, was going to use the no.1 overall pick on a 5-9-175 pound Notre Dame WR/KR. Jimmy said he traded up 100% to get Russell Maryland. It was Jerry Dumbo GM Jones talking that Rocket noise. The whole scheme was to get the Patriots pick, then trade it to the Falcons, and still get the only player Jimmy wanted with a top pick, Russell Maryland.

That is why years after Johnson, Ackles, and Wooten were fired or left, Jerry Dumbo GM Jones signed Rocket for the show he wanted him to be but got the results those football men knew from the beginning. Again, reading is fundamental:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-04-20-sp-163-story.html
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1991-04-22-1991112014-story.html

Finally, during the Calvin Johnson Detroit lions years they could not find the goal post so there was no need for me to move the goalpost. The Loins stunk drafting all those WR including Calvin Johnson.

This is my last post to that stupid thinking that those brilliant Hall of Fame scouting and coaching minds of Johnson, Wooten, and Ackles were going to draft a 5-9 175 pound Rocket Ismail with the no.1 overall pick in the 1991 draft. GET REAL. Jimmy later drafted a WR in the first round...he was a 6-3-210, +7 foot high jumper with 4.4 speed in the 1991 draft named ALVIN HARPER...I guess you forgot that important information.

 

[Stash]

Yeah, I found it interesting that they brought him in. They've tended to like their WRs taller. Who knows? Maybe they're turning over a new leaf. Cooks is on the small side too.

I sure hope so. I’m tired of watching the Cowboys have essentially a bunch of the same guy. 6’ 2” 200 lbs, runs a 4.5 40 or worse mainly in straight lines.

Meh.

 

[Stash]

good point.I really like Flowers but he is mostly a slot guy.do you want to pick a slot guy in RD 1? my policy is if you pick a WR in RD 1 he better be our no 1 WR soon.

You shouldn’t base your opinion off of that misperception. 75% of Flowers snaps came on the outside.

 

[InPhiltraitor]

You shouldn’t base your opinion off of that misperception. 75% of Flowers snaps came on the outside.

Projected by most to play the slot in the NFL.

NFL execs do not make it a practice to take 1st round selections on slot guys. Particularly ones with Round 2 Grades.

 

[Stash]

Projected by most to play the slot in the NFL.

NFL execs do not make it a practice to take 1st round selections on slot guys. Particularly ones with Round 2 Grades.

“While some may feel Flowers is too small to be an outside receiver or even develop into anything more than a No. 2 option in an NFL offense, that’s simply not true.”

https://sportsnaut.com/zay-flowers-draft-profile/amp/