CFZ Wrapping up the in-house free agent discussions

[conner01]

It was a mistake signing for them at that amount.

That is very true
They thought there was some hidden potential there for some reason

 

[conner01]

Very possible Brown returns

I could see that if he doesn’t get too expensive
He’s a nice player who’s goid on ST
He’s just not the guy you want as your 3rd WR

 

[Cowboyny]

I could see that if he doesn’t get too expensive
He’s a nice player who’s goid on ST
He’s just not the guy you want as your 3rd WR

I was talking about Anthony Brown, Noah will probably get 5-6 on the open market now

 

[raven55]

wait till the end and they will go to the pig pen to get some maybe they will play and maybe they won't, anybody have in mind some for this year

 

[rambo2]

About to start my deep dive into the draft prospects, but I wanted to finish evaluating what we all think should be done with our in-house fa's:

Offense

-Pollard should be franchised. Gives the team time to see if he is healthy and who they are able to draft.
-Zeke shouldn't be kept under any pay cut circumstance.
-Tyron stays 1 more season as Steele probably will miss half the season due to coming back from a late acl tear.
-Shultz has priced himself out and should be allowed to walk
-McGovern/Noah Brown have probably done the same, they will receive bigger contracts then what the team will want to pay.

Offseason Needs-WR x2, RB, TE, G.
Free Agent Hope-OBJ.

Yes, early on it's looking like a heavy, offensive draft forthcoming, but is a good yr needing a RB/TE, but not so much a WR/G.

Defense

-Lve should be resigned, depending on his price. Perhaps 6 million per year would be a compromise for both parties.
-Hankins needs to be kept, he is the team's only legitimate run NT on this roster.
-Both Brown/Lewis should be allowed to walk/released, as both are coming over of major injuries.
-Wilson has priced himself out for his return, team has a few replacements already in house.
-Armstrong's play fell way off in the 2nd half, think he survives, but Gallimore might not, 3 million could be freed up, especially if Golston is now ahead of him.
-Fowler should resign to a similar contract.
-Barr will not be resigned.

Offseason Needs-CB, DT, LB
Free Agent Hope-Payne or Tomlinson.

If they can address DT in fa, I would expect them to find a day 1 starting Corner in the draft.

I think that they will take the best player available on their board at 26 regardless of position.

 

[Cowboyny]

I think that they will take the best player available on their board at 26 regardless of position.

They always say that, but it’s more best player in a need position

 

[rambo2]

They always say that, but it’s more best player in a need position

They will need the best player. The best player at 26 projects to be someone that they definitely would need.

 

[conner01]

I was talking about Anthony Brown, Noah will probably get 5-6 on the open market now

I think it makes sense if he’s healthy and can play early. He’s not gonna be expensive coming off his injury and it’s to his benefit to play a prove it year before signing a long term deal

 

[Cowboyny]

I think it makes sense if he’s healthy and can play early. He’s not gonna be expensive coming off his injury and it’s to his benefit to play a prove it year before signing a long term deal

I worry about achilles injuries, Kazee came back quickly, but some never regain their explosiveness. Resigning him will be about his medicals.

 

[conner01]

I worry about achilles injuries, Kazee came back quickly, but some never regain their explosiveness. Resigning him will be about his medicals.

It’s one of the worst injuries a CB could get. The time between injury and when you have to make a decision isn’t long either.I think keeping one of brown or Lewis another year is prudent. But I would certainly take a CB early in this draft. Hard to really predict this far out but if the top 25 goes the way many think at this point then CB may be the best player at 26. I particularly like Porter and he has the size Quinn likes. But that’s a long ways off in football time

 

[Cowboyny]

It’s one of the worst injuries a CB could get. The time between injury and when you have to make a decision isn’t long either.I think keeping one of brown or Lewis another year is prudent. But I would certainly take a CB early in this draft. Hard to really predict this far out but if the top 25 goes the way many think at this point then CB may be the best player at 26. I particularly like Porter and he has the size Quinn likes. But that’s a long ways off in football time

Go to the draft zone, started a discussion about the top corners in the draft

 

[quickccc]

Think Zeke is nothing more then a progress stopper now and is a poor fit for the WCO. Don't think he is going to take a huge pay cut to stay, either.

I do feel ZKE is gonna (or open) to a pay cut.
Just a matter of just how much he is willing to be cut ..

Jerry: ".. Zeke does things beyond just stats .."

Whereas hearing that, I get the feeling that management sees him as such a constructive, locker room presence .and great influence to teammates and Dak ,, etc, etc,
and he will get a Tyrone Crawford like good ole buddy treatment pass to stay on the team.
A clearly declining player (he's only 27 yrs so not "aging") whose gonna be more of a goal line specialist who will really limit us if Pollard gets hurt

- Just the opposite with the likes of Dez Bryant,... Amari Cooper- to which they seem to cannot wait to get rid of ...

- But yes, ZKE will be a progress stopper, much to like a declining Jason Witten was, .and to add, that will also nullify any chance of drafting another splash RB
in the early rounds, in what is supposed to be a solid RB draft class.

 

[Cowboyny]

I do feel ZKE is gonna (or open) to a pay cut.
Just a matter of just how much he is willing to be cut ..

Jerry: ".. Zeke does things beyond just stats .."

Whereas hearing that, I get the feeling that management sees him as such a constructive, locker room presence .and great influence to teammates and Dak ,, etc, etc,
and he will get a Tyrone Crawford like good ole buddy treatment pass to stay on the team.
A clearly declining player (he's only 27 yrs so not "aging") whose gonna be more of a goal line specialist who will really limit us if Pollard gets hurt

- Just the opposite with the likes of Dez Bryant,... Amari Cooper- to which they seem to cannot wait to get rid of ...

- But yes, ZKE will be a progress stopper, much to like a declining Jason Witten was, .and to add, that will also nullify any chance of drafting another splash RB
in the early rounds, in what is supposed to be a solid RB draft class.

It's time for new blood. This is Jerry's problem, he gets too close to a player and doesn't treat it as a business. Zeke shouldn't return and it's up to MM to convince the Jones Family to do so. I'm kind on the fence with Pollard too, his injury, but also their are many backs in this draft that have a similar skill set, can really draft 2 guys and have them playing on no money for 4 seasons. The days of giving 2nd contracts to running backs needs to stop.

 

[CowboysFanKY88]

I agree with everything you said. Other than I think Wilson should be a top priority to resign.

 

[quickccc]

It's time for new blood. This is Jerry's problem, he gets too close to a player and doesn't treat it as a business. Zeke shouldn't return and it's up to MM to convince the Jones Family to do so. I'm kind on the fence with Pollard too, his injury, but also their are many backs in this draft that have a similar skill set, can really draft 2 guys and have them playing on no money for 4 seasons. The days of giving 2nd contracts to running backs needs to stop.

Frankly that's why Stephen Jones becomes more of a factor as he's taken on more of major moves and direction of the Cowboys than ever before.
He may have some Daddys' sympathizing player attachment, but not to degree as Daddy Jones - he can say the No" vs Dad's yes, and some or many not
believe it but i really think Dad Jones has given up some say so power to the son. imo/

- Jason Garrett pleading to return as HC ..but Cowboys saying No thanks .. i think Stephen was huge influence in that decision.

- The big trade for Amari Cooper for a 1st round pick - led by Stephen
- Cowboys cutting Dez Bryant and trading away Amari Cooper ? ...... Stephen huge influence

- Cowboys not re-signing average/serviceable to big contracts ? ... . Stephen huge influence
- Letting CB Byron Jones depart into FA ? ... per Stephen ?

- Re-signing of Zeke Elliott to a 2nd contract ?
- Signing on bargain binge cheap FA vets (ala Barr, Washington, Worley, Aldon Smith, McCoy, etc.)

- Re-signing safety Jayvon Kearse to an incredibly bargain 2yr deal

- Major club cap moves - Gregory contract (incentive laden by Stephen?)
- .DLaw new pay cut contract ? ...." Cap boy" Stephen as he's been nicknamed by 105.3 fan crew,

 

[Cowboyny]

Frankly that's why Stephen Jones becomes more of a factor as he's taken on more of major moves and direction of the Cowboys than ever before.

- Jason Garrett pleading to return as HC ..and Cowboys saying No thanks .. i think Stephen was huge influence in that decision.

- The big trade for Amari Cooper for a 1st round pick - led by Stephen

- Cowboys cutting Dez Bryant and trading away Amari Cooper ? ...... Stephen huge influence

- Cowboys not re-signing average/serviceable to big contracts ? ... . Stephen huge influence

- Letting CB Byron Jones depart into FA ? ... per Stephen ?

- Re-signing of Zeke Elliott to a 2nd contract ?

- Bargain binge cheap FA vets (ala Barr, Washington

- Major club cap moves - Gregory contract ... DLaw new pay cut contract ? ...." Cap boy" Stephen as he's been nicknamed by 105.3 fan crew,


Frankly that's why Stephen Jones becomes more of a factor as he's taken on more of major moves and direction of the Cowboys than ever before.
He may have some Daddys' sympathizing player attachment, but not to degree as Daddy Jones - he can say the No" vs Dad's yes, and some or many not
believe it but i really think Dad Jones has given up some say so power to the son. imo/

- Jason Garrett pleading to return as HC ..but Cowboys saying No thanks .. i think Stephen was huge influence in that decision.

- The big trade for Amari Cooper for a 1st round pick - led by Stephen
- Cowboys cutting Dez Bryant and trading away Amari Cooper ? ...... Stephen huge influence

- Cowboys not re-signing average/serviceable to big contracts ? ... . Stephen huge influence
- Letting CB Byron Jones depart into FA ? ... per Stephen ?

- Re-signing of Zeke Elliott to a 2nd contract ?
- Signing on bargain binge cheap FA vets (ala Barr, Washington, Worley, Aldon Smith, McCoy, etc.)

- Re-signing safety Jayvon Kearse to an incredibly bargain 2yr deal

- Major club cap moves - Gregory contract (incentive laden by Stephen?)
- .DLaw new pay cut contract ? ...." Cap boy" Stephen as he's been nicknamed by 105.3 fan crew,

Stephen has done a better job with giving the team some cap flexibility, but he has to take more risks and worry about the ramificiations later. Go get a Payne and fix our run defense, once and for all. Trade or sign a legitimate starting WR.

 

[offlimits]

About to start my deep dive into the draft prospects, but I wanted to finish evaluating what we all think should be done with our in-house fa's:

Offense

-Pollard should be franchised. Gives the team time to see if he is healthy and who they are able to draft.
-Zeke shouldn't be kept under any pay cut circumstance.
-Tyron stays 1 more season as Steele probably will miss half the season due to coming back from a late acl tear.
-Shultz has priced himself out and should be allowed to walk
-McGovern/Noah Brown have probably done the same, they will receive bigger contracts then what the team will want to pay.

Offseason Needs-WR x2, RB, TE, G.
Free Agent Hope-OBJ.

Yes, early on it's looking like a heavy, offensive draft forthcoming, but is a good yr needing a RB/TE, but not so much a WR/G.

Defense

-Lve should be resigned, depending on his price. Perhaps 6 million per year would be a compromise for both parties.
-Hankins needs to be kept, he is the team's only legitimate run NT on this roster.
-Both Brown/Lewis should be allowed to walk/released, as both are coming over of major injuries.
-Wilson has priced himself out for his return, team has a few replacements already in house.
-Armstrong's play fell way off in the 2nd half, think he survives, but Gallimore might not, 3 million could be freed up, especially if Golston is now ahead of him.
-Fowler should resign to a similar contract.
-Barr will not be resigned.

Offseason Needs-CB, DT, LB
Free Agent Hope-Payne or Tomlinson.

If they can address DT in fa, I would expect them to find a day 1 starting Corner in the draft.

"Steele probably will miss half the season due to coming back from a late ACL tear". It doesn't take 9 months to recover from an ACL replacement surgery. I know from first-hand experience. He should be good to go by September. Secondly, I see that you neglected to draft a QB in the spring.

 

[Dalmations202]

Here is what I think Dallas should do.

Priority 1) sign DWilson this is the most important guy for continuity on the defense.
Priority 2) sign Hankins this is the short term DL that they need, and they need to draft one high
Priority 3) sign Peters, Fowler, Watkins these three help, and shouldn't cost too much.
Priority 4) sign Steele or at least give him a round 2 RFA tag. I don't know what he will be like when he returns, but you want to find out.

Schultz I think gets too much, and they have Ferg and Hendy. Pollard doesn't get a big payday due to injury and 2nd contract RB. Noah Brown is a jag. LVE is a good resign if he takes a lower amount than what he might think he deserves, but I doubt it.

 

[McKDaddy]

It's time for new blood. This is Jerry's problem, he gets too close to a player and doesn't treat it as a business. Zeke shouldn't return and it's up to MM to convince the Jones Family to do so. I'm kind on the fence with Pollard too, his injury, but also their are many backs in this draft that have a similar skill set, can really draft 2 guys and have them playing on no money for 4 seasons. The days of giving 2nd contracts to running backs needs to stop.

Always been a Zeke supporter. Appreciate that he has sacrificed his body to be a great blocker .... but totally agree. It's just time for a fresh start.

Pre injury, fully on board with resigning Pollard unless it just got outrageous. Now, I have to admit I'm concerned about doing so. Stinks cause he has been held back by this organization and deserves to get a nice contract. If there is any concern that he doesn't return with the same explosiveness, then the contract has to be smaller or I let him go. You aren't guaranteed to just find guys who can do what he can .... but you can't get bogged down with a bloated contract either.

 

[McKDaddy]

LVE is a good resign

Is he?
He played some of his best ball since his rookie season late in the season. That is great .... but it also makes my "playing for a contract" bell go off. We know his injury history.
I lean toward letting him walk at anything more than a mid level contract.
LB'ers are easier to find than a lot of positions. I'm ok with rolling the dice with younger players to revamp our LB corp.