CFZ Wrapping up the in-house free agent discussions

[Coogiguy03]

There isn’t anybody that thinks Wilson is a better player than Kearse. That’s not even debatable

Lol lol once again do you know how these 31 teams are thinking?? There's players every off season that are over valued

 

[fivetwos]

we get any comp picks for DW?

Depends on the size of the deal, subject to being offset by anyone else we may sign.

People get too caught up in those.

Byron Jones signed a massive deal with Miami, and it netted us a low third, which they used on Nashon Wright.

The pick is a small factor but not a deciding one. I hope that I’m wrong on the demand for him because I’d take him in a second for the projected contract in that article.

Also, while Kearse and Hooker are signed through next season, I think they are both free thereafter. It may not the worst idea to try to keep Wilson. It helps that he is a made man (Dallas draftee).

 

[exciter]

I get the savings, but they could of also cut Brown last year for roughly the same cap hit but didn't.
Here's the thing, it's 4.7mil cap savings, but since he was injured last year on the field and IF he can't pass a physical, then he can apply for IBP since he is under contract for 2023 and take up 1.23mil of additional cap space if he isn't signed for next year.
So, now it could be down to 3.5mil savings and now you got to sign a mid level guy, which at your comment of half his cap hit isn't going to get you much production at 2-3mil cap hit, unless you find a diamond in the rough.
This front office to me isn't the most aggressive/cutthroat one out there so I don't see them cutting a player that can still be useful unless he's truly damaged goods or it's obvious he fell off a cliff.

Brown had a really nice 2021 season, Lewis didn’t have near as nice a 2022. They had more options to gain cap space last year. My guess would be that they’re drafting a corner in the 1st 3 rounds with the intent of him being one of the starters… the FA will just be insuarance. That’s Diggs, Bland and DP/FA as the starters. They’re not going to keep Lewis as a Backup!

 

[blueblood70]

Depends on the size of the deal, subject to being offset by anyone else we may sign.

People get too caught up in those.

Byron Jones signed a massive deal with Miami, and it netted us a low third, which they used on Nashon Wright.

The pick is a small factor but not a deciding one. I hope that I’m wrong on the demand for him because I’d take him in a second for the projected contract in that article.

Also, while Kearse and Hooker are signed through next season, I think they are both free thereafter. It may not the worst idea to try to keep Wilson. It helps that he is a made man (Dallas draftee).

even if player like Wright didn't pan out same good players can be had at 3 like new RB can find some gems there at that position.

 

[fivetwos]

even if player like Wright didn't pan out same good players can be had at 3 like new RB can find some gems there at that position.

Oh no doubt…just saying people often make too much of the comp pick factor.

 

[Cowboyny]

Hankin's is one : we like our guys that I hope they resign.

I think he is a must resign, players around him were better when he was on the field.

 

[Cowboyny]

Get the heck outta here. He’ll be lucky to get resigned. Wilson deal was a joke as predicted.

I though we could resign Wilson for 3 million, he more then doubled that number. There is going to be a team out there that pays Brown.

 

[JBS]

Many around the league thought Kearse was no more then a special teamer, Quinn found a unique role for him. Wilson plays a more traditional role.

That was before he hit FA last offseason. Wilson will not get 10M a year. Not a chance

 

[Cowboyny]

I don’t see how you can release Lewis and let brown walk myself
Really good breakdown
I’d love Payne but I suspect he gets paid based on last year not his career as a whole and it’s gonna be huge. Tomlinson would really help this team. Run stopping aside an inside push make outside rushers more effective
I think we will get some clue about FA when we see how, who and how much cap space we clear by restructure, cuts and/or extensions
Jerry isn’t going all in spending but I could see him going a getting a really good player. If I was only going for one I’d look at DT because it’s really hard to draft a impactful DT anywhere but even harder late
I think OBJ is gonna be a target for them. If he can stay healthy he can help

I really do think OBJ is realistic in fa. As for a high-priced DT, I still have my doubts. Probably will resign Hankins and draft another late NT.

As for Brown/Lewis, they can always sign another, veteran bridge player, which basically was these 2.

 

[Cowboyny]

That was before he hit FA last offseason. Wilson will not get 10M a year. Not a chance

Right now his estimated value is 7.6, which can go higher if more teams get involves. Kearse signed for 5 million a year.

 

[Cowboyny]

I get the savings, but they could of also cut Brown last year for roughly the same cap hit but didn't.
Here's the thing, it's 4.7mil cap savings, but since he was injured last year on the field and IF he can't pass a physical, then he can apply for IBP since he is under contract for 2023 and take up 1.23mil of additional cap space if he isn't signed for next year.
So, now it could be down to 3.5mil savings and now you got to sign a mid level guy, which at your comment of half his cap hit isn't going to get you much production at 2-3mil cap hit, unless you find a diamond in the rough.
This front office to me isn't the most aggressive/cutthroat one out there so I don't see them cutting a player that can still be useful unless he's truly damaged goods or it's obvious he fell off a cliff.

The difference is they already have his replacement and he makes no money. Brown was safe cause of neither Joseph/Wright making the next step in their developments.

 

[exciter]

Depends on the size of the deal, subject to being offset by anyone else we may sign.

People get too caught up in those.

Byron Jones signed a massive deal with Miami, and it netted us a low third, which they used on Nashon Wright.

The pick is a small factor but not a deciding one. I hope that I’m wrong on the demand for him because I’d take him in a second for the projected contract in that article.

Also, while Kearse and Hooker are signed through next season, I think they are both free thereafter. It may not the worst idea to try to keep Wilson. It helps that he is a made man (Dallas draftee).

Right, the other option is releasing Kearse. His cap hit this year is around 6m… dead money will be around 1.5. Otherwise I just don’t see how you keep both along with Mukuamo and Bell sitting idly by!

 

[CowboyRoy]

They bet on potential with Wilson and they got the same thing we got out of him. We just targeted him more. They only threw him 18 balls
If he’s covered by a teams 3rd CB he can win and he can catch. He got paid like a guy who can do more than he is capable of. He’s a nice 3rd or 4th WR who can help on ST. He and brown a very similar though Wilson is faster.
The fact he got paid too much doesn’t change that and if a team does the same with Brown they will get similar results. They are what they are

Do they got the same out of him eh? 18 balls?

 

[CowboyRoy]

I though we could resign Wilson for 3 million, he more then doubled that number. There is going to be a team out there that pays Brown.

He’s a total scrub. No one will give him Wilson money.

 

[charron]

Our WR group was so bad, but Tolbert was a healthly scratch every week. He has to earn his spot this year.

This will definitely be a very important year for him

 

[xwalker]

He has a 6 million cap hit and they save 5 million to cut him, if he's a backup, they aren't going to keep him with that salary.

Disagree.

 

[xwalker]

-I am not paying Pollard $10 million, 100% of which hits the CAP. I think he had a great year before his injury but I still think RBs can be had in the middle rounds of the draft.
-Why is everyone saying Steele will miss half the season? Seems to me he should be close to ready by the start of the season which would be about 9 months after surgery. Unless there are any setbacks Steele will probably be ready to play by the 3rd or 4th game of the season.

- I am curious about McGovern's price tag. I would like to sign him because it means they're not desperate for a OG before the draft. Last year, Austin Corbett of the Rams got $8.5 million. I think that's about what McGovern will get. Although Corbett was coming off a Super Bowl year with the Rams so maybe McGovern gets a little less. Right now the Cowboys are only paying Martin and Tyron Smith big money on the OL.
- Why is everyone so enamored with OBJ coming off his second knee surgery in 3 years? If Gallup struggled his first year back from surgery why do we think OBJ will be any further along? And his risk of reinjury is much higher.

-I want to sign LVE too. He had his best year in some time last year. However, if it comes down to LVE or a big DT to keep the LBs clean, I will take the DT. They still have Clark, Cox, and Parsons. I can see Clark moving into the middle with Cox replacing Barr. Get two good DTs in the middle and I think Clark and Cox will be fine. We can't sign everyone.
- Brown is coming off injury and I am not sure he will be ready at the start of the season either. No need to rush to sign him. Lewis is under contract and for $6 million in CAP hit I would keep him on the roster.
- I am torn on Wilson. He is one of the few bangers on defense. I would hate to lose him but I would hate to pay him $7 million per year too. But I won't be like Jerry and devalue the position. The defense needs him and a 3 year deal that shifts his CAP burden into the 3rd year would be nice, even at $7 million per year.
-There is no reason to cut players like Armstrong and Gallimore who are already on the roster . Armstrong is a solid player and for $7 million I'd keep him. Gallimore needs to really improve between now and next training camp. I just don't think he has it. He has poor technique and get bullied on the LOS. Bring him to camp but they need other options at DT. I am fine signing Hankins and Tomlinson if they can get him. I think Payne is not going anywhere and he is going to cost and arm and a leg to sign. I don't think there is a chance in Hates that Jerry shells out that kind of money for a DT.

Jabril Coc, I believe when I see it.

Jalen Tolbert played 3x more snaps than Jabril (non ST snaps).

Jabril has been a complete bust at this point. At least Taco actually played...

 

[Kingofholland]

About to start my deep dive into the draft prospects, but I wanted to finish evaluating what we all think should be done with our in-house fa's:

Offense

-Pollard should be franchised. Gives the team time to see if he is healthy and who they are able to draft.
-Zeke shouldn't be kept under any pay cut circumstance.
-Tyron stays 1 more season as Steele probably will miss half the season due to coming back from a late acl tear.
-Shultz has priced himself out and should be allowed to walk
-McGovern/Noah Brown have probably done the same, they will receive bigger contracts then what the team will want to pay.

Offseason Needs-WR x2, RB, TE, G.
Free Agent Hope-OBJ.

Yes, early on it's looking like a heavy, offensive draft forthcoming, but is a good yr needing a RB/TE, but not so much a WR/G.

Defense

-Lve should be resigned, depending on his price. Perhaps 6 million per year would be a compromise for both parties.
-Hankins needs to be kept, he is the team's only legitimate run NT on this roster.
-Both Brown/Lewis should be allowed to walk/released, as both are coming over of major injuries.
-Wilson has priced himself out for his return, team has a few replacements already in house.
-Armstrong's play fell way off in the 2nd half, think he survives, but Gallimore might not, 3 million could be freed up, especially if Golston is now ahead of him.
-Fowler should resign to a similar contract.
-Barr will not be resigned.

Offseason Needs-CB, DT, LB
Free Agent Hope-Payne or Tomlinson.

If they can address DT in fa, I would expect them to find a day 1 starting Corner in the draft.

I agree with most of this. But Anthony Brown is a free agent, Lewis could be cut if they like Bland playing that spot better and then pursue another corner. However, I think the Cowboys value having some experience knowing whats behind that on the bench.

I don't know about Wilson, Kearse signed a 2 year 10 million deal last offseason. I think Wilson will be in the range of 5 to 7 million a year. He's not an all-pro or bro bowler yet so don't think he will break the bank to re-sign. It would just be a lot of money tied up in safety but the Cowboys use 3 safeties regularly.

Zeke can't be back on his current salary and has lost multiple steps.

 

[Cowboyny]

I agree with most of this. But Anthony Brown is a free agent, Lewis could be cut if they like Bland playing that spot better and then pursue another corner. However, I think the Cowboys value having some experience knowing whats behind that on the bench.

I don't know about Wilson, Kearse signed a 2 year 10 million deal last offseason. I think Wilson will be in the range of 5 to 7 million a year. He's not an all-pro or bro bowler yet so don't think he will break the bank to re-sign. It would just be a lot of money tied up in safety but the Cowboys use 3 safeties regularly.

Zeke can't be back on his current salary and has lost multiple steps.

I do believe the Cowboys will bring in another veteran bridge corner in the event Brown doesn’t come back, if Bland starts in the slot, Lewis is a goner

 

[Cowboyny]

Disagree.

If he could play on the outside, that would be a different story. Perfect world they draft a high corner who can play both