Yes or No to T.O?

[cowboyschmps3]

its all the media...like ed werder

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Mike Golic brought it up on Mike & MIKE. Do we keep the man who has been the one bright spot when it comes to overall stats on offense? Or do we dump him because we are looking for more team chemistry?

This season was about a bunch of near misses... whether it be "almost catches" or "almost thrown on target" etc....

A few good throws or catches and we are in playoffs and we are ALL talking about something totally different.

 

[LUVDABOYS]

If I'm Jerry, I call Owens in and have a heart to heart with him. It would go somthing like this;

You have ONE year to prove you can be a functional leader of this team. Fix whatever it is that happened this year TO. You have the off season to kiss and make up with Romo and Wit. You WILL work on curing the cancer that you were a part of in that locker room, and you will become the team player that you were in 2007.

I am under a lot of pressure to dump yer butt, and by all rights I should. I'm giving you a chance to cover my &%%. Do it and stay away from the media, or I'll dump you like the Pman. The only team that will touch you when I'm done are the Raiders.

 

[Chrissyboy]

I have stayed clear of all recent TO debates, but .....

HE is a very weak character. We constantly question the resolve of this team ... he is one of the most selfish yet gifted players around.

Fletch, he's more bothered about his stats than winning.

I gave him last year. But the guy is a clown. He constantly brings this organisation into disrepute. I have more pride than that, and this great organisation should have more pride.

Amazing how the Eagles survived with relatively no-name receivers. Amazing how they got to the superbowl when he was injured.

He is preventing the development of this offense. Perhaps along with others.

If there wasn't a financial implication, I would cut him tomorrow - irrespective of talent. I support this great organisation and want it to win or lose with pride and class.

(Ps. Before anyone suggests it, I believe we'd have won at least 8 games if TO wasn't here all year.)

 

[Eddie]

If that were true Jones would have done it. Monumentally stupid was signing owens in the first place.

Monumentally stupid was re-signing him to a new 3 year contract last year with a year left on his original contract.

That's why you don't pay for age.

Oh, I forgot ... TO has a body of a 17 year old. He can play at a high level until he's 45.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Jerry Rice's advice to T.O.: Run better routes
3:16 PM Fri, Jan 09, 2009 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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T.O. credits watching Jerry Rice and learning from the best receiver ever during their days together in San Francisco for some of his success. So the Original 81 shouldn't shrug off constructive criticism from Rice like he does when he gets dissed by ESPN's corps of ex-receivers.

"I think the thing about Terrell is that he really relies so much on his size and his speed," Rice said during an appearance on The Ticket yesterday, which blog buddy DC Fanatic forward to us. "I wish that he would just spend a little bit more time just running routes just a little bit more crisp, you know what I'm saying? Just coming out of his cuts and stuff like that. Probably that would get him the separation he needs to get more opportunity of catching the football.

"It was all about separation with me. I felt like if I could beat my man and get separation, the quarterback has no choice but to throw me the football."

Rice went on to rave about T.O.'s physical gifts, especially his speed. Rice sort of danced around talk of T.O.'s sideline/behind-the-scene antics earlier in the interview.

But Rice kindly said what Keyshawn Johnson and Cris Carter have bluntly said: T.O. doesn't run good routes. If T.O. improves that facet of his game, maybe Jason Garrett's offense will magically become better.

 

[Dcz84]

A great player who makes our entire offense better, works his butt off as hard as anyone on the team, and wants badly to win a Super Bowl...

CUT HIS ***!!!!!!!

Na i'd rather have more players like Romo. Turn the ball over lots of time,does'nt care about winning, has no fire in him,could care less if we win or lose,turn's the ball over and over and the best is no 1 will ever blame him, would'nt that be grand we could have a team full of players that get free passes.

 

[Juke99]

I'd cut him.

My reasoning: Romo has a problem with forcing the ball into coverage. Owens makes everyone on the Cowboys aware that if he doesn't get the ball, he's going to be a problem....so, IMO, they force the ball to him just to keep him happy....which runs counter to everything they're trying to teach Romo.

I think he's a very talented WR...but it seems to me that when the offense gets out of sync it's because they're forcing the ball to Owens.

 

[Chrissyboy]

I'd cut him.

My reasoning: Romo has a problem with forcing the ball into coverage. Owens makes everyone on the Cowboys aware that if he doesn't get the ball, he's going to be a problem....so, IMO, they force the ball to him just to keep him happy....which runs counter to everything they're trying to teach Romo.

I think he's a very talented WR...but it seems to me that when the offense gets out of sync it's because they're forcing the ball to Owens.

Bingo. Probably one of the most level-headed comments I've read.

FWIW - Romo getting a free pass???? Not on this board, he hasn't!!!

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I'd cut him.

My reasoning: Romo has a problem with forcing the ball into coverage. Owens makes everyone on the Cowboys aware that if he doesn't get the ball, he's going to be a problem....so, IMO, they force the ball to him just to keep him happy....which runs counter to everything they're trying to teach Romo.

I think he's a very talented WR...but it seems to me that when the offense gets out of sync it's because they're forcing the ball to Owens.

When Romo forces the ball into triple coverage that is because of TO?


TO is going to let EVERYONE know that he will have a problem if they dont get him the ball? - is that ALL bad?

Notice how he complains mostly after a loss - when he feels he couldnt help the team win??

 

[jobberone]

A team guy? Is it because you see the cameras pan over to the Cowboy's sidelines and you seem him yelling or getting in someone's face? Call me an idiot, but what I see is a guy who wants to win and a guy who is the only one on the team who has the fire and guts to get pissed off when the team is pulling another December swoon. T.O. is a man on a mission. He's always been that way, but the media loves to twist it to make the weak fans believe he is simply a cancer.

How wrong the fans are who want T.O. gone. Now I'm not going to curse Jerry if he does let T.O. go because T.O. ain't getting any younger. But when you get down to it, Owens is the only guy that can still take a pass from Romo to the house.

Do you expect Witten to do it? Hell no. Do you expect Crayton to do it? Hell no! Do you expect Miles or Sam to do what T.O. can do? Hell no!

Perhaps when Roy Williams has a complete offseason to acclimate himself to the offense, maybe. Better yet, Roy can be that guy when he is acclimated. Sorry folks. You can't expect Roy to be a hero when he was brought in right after midseason. Just doesn't happen.

Don't cry when T.O . gets cut. But don't come crying when T.O. is gone and there is no one that shares the same fire and game changing plays that only T.O. can give the Decemberless Cowboys!

Mostly agree. Austin is a threat. Not having him hurt us IMO.

Meanwhile keep crying with TO, every December and January I guess. Yep, Eagles have been crying ever since they lost TO, winning two more playoffs without him then they won with him.:bang2:

I guess some will never learn. No Wonder Jerry never will get it.

Saying it over and over won't make it so.

Jerry Rice's advice to T.O.: Run better routes
3:16 PM Fri, Jan 09, 2009 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
Tim MacMahon E-mail News tips
T.O. credits watching Jerry Rice and learning from the best receiver ever during their days together in San Francisco for some of his success. So the Original 81 shouldn't shrug off constructive criticism from Rice like he does when he gets dissed by ESPN's corps of ex-receivers.

"I think the thing about Terrell is that he really relies so much on his size and his speed," Rice said during an appearance on The Ticket yesterday, which blog buddy DC Fanatic forward to us. "I wish that he would just spend a little bit more time just running routes just a little bit more crisp, you know what I'm saying? Just coming out of his cuts and stuff like that. Probably that would get him the separation he needs to get more opportunity of catching the football.

"It was all about separation with me. I felt like if I could beat my man and get separation, the quarterback has no choice but to throw me the football."

Rice went on to rave about T.O.'s physical gifts, especially his speed. Rice sort of danced around talk of T.O.'s sideline/behind-the-scene antics earlier in the interview.

But Rice kindly said what Keyshawn Johnson and Cris Carter have bluntly said: T.O. doesn't run good routes. If T.O. improves that facet of his game, maybe Jason Garrett's offense will magically become better.

Ok. Here's criticism you shouldn't ignore. Sounds as if this can be changed. This is on TO and the coaches.

I'd cut him.

My reasoning: Romo has a problem with forcing the ball into coverage. Owens makes everyone on the Cowboys aware that if he doesn't get the ball, he's going to be a problem....so, IMO, they force the ball to him just to keep him happy....which runs counter to everything they're trying to teach Romo.

I think he's a very talented WR...but it seems to me that when the offense gets out of sync it's because they're forcing the ball to Owens.

I can't argue with this but if he's not open don't throw it to him. Someone has got to find a way to confront TO and tell him to run better routes, get separation, we'll find a way to scheme you better and maximize your talents for certain routes, and get in Romo's face for throwing into crowds. He doesn't just do it with TO. He forces it period. I do agree we've been guilty of forcing it to TO but Romo is the one to do or not do that.

They could tell me all day to throw it to TO no matter what. I wouldn't do it unless he was open.

 

[Juke99]

When Romo forces the ball into triple coverage that is because of TO?


TO is going to let EVERYONE know that he will have a problem if they dont get him the ball? - is that ALL bad?

Notice how he complains mostly after a loss - when he feels he couldnt help the team win??

Did I say that when Romo forces the ball into coverage it's because of Owens?

Let me distill it for ya. It's clear that one of the ways the Cowboys try to keep Owens happy (read, try to keep him from becoming a huge distraction) is to force the ball to him.

It's my opinion that given his declining skills, given Romo's problem for forcing the ball into coverage (Owens or not), given that the offense tends to bog down when they force to Owens, he's not worth it.

Notice how he complains mostly after a loss? Yeah...terrific. At exactly the time he should be shutting his mouth, he complains the most. And also, take a look in the mirror when you lose.

Have a nice day.

 

[the wit 82]

Cut TO!! Someone said look at Fitzgerald catches all those passes even with Boldin out. Well # 1 Fitzgerald dont mind going over the middle and he makes the tuff catches,unlike TO who drops half the balls thrown to him. TO is great against lessers team but does nothing against strong teams. He does nothing when it really matters.

 

[landryscorner]

owens stays


he wants the ball
he gets Poed when we dont win ( wish our coaches and some players had the cajones to be like that)
he is still feared in the NFL as a wideout
and He is still in great shape

Owens stays

 

[sbark]

Cut TO!! Someone said look at Fitzgerald catches all those passes even with Boldin out. Well # 1 Fitzgerald dont mind going over the middle and he makes the tuff catches,unlike TO who drops half the balls thrown to him. TO is great against lessers team but does nothing against strong teams. He does nothing when it really matters.

thats right, appears TO likes have essentially 3 defenders on him, a cb under, a S over the top.....and a sideline off his elbow.......

..we must be leaving the crossing patterns to Crayton...cause RW nor TO ventured in there during the month of Dec........and Crayton just caught tons of balls over the middle vrs. PItts, Balt, NYG and Philly

the patience level of Garrett, Romo and TO is that of a High Schooler in the the back seat of his dads car with a blonde.

 

[landryscorner]

Guys this is on JG, look at the previous year, remember TO streaming down the middle and catching skinny posts for TD's ....I mean all Garrett has to do is put all the slots receivers and Jason down there with TO and it causes confuision in the defensive secondary...but I'll tell you why Garrett probably didn't use many of those plays...our OL sucks, teams figured out that Flozell can stop big defensive lineman, but has problems against speedy OLB...whenever I saw a 3-4 defense against us, they just ate up FLozell for lunch...and all the millions he makes after watching him stumble while the defender whizzed by him I just wanted to PUKE.

Our problems stem from our OL and JG combined, not every team in the NFL has great OL's but OC find ways to get around that, JG was just to dam stubborn, thats why ROmo got his #$# beat so much this year...I say get rid of Flozell and Gurode...hopefully kozier comes back..and please get rid of JG also...

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Did I say that when Romo forces the ball into coverage it's because of Owens?

Let me distill it for ya. It's clear that one of the ways the Cowboys try to keep Owens happy (read, try to keep him from becoming a huge distraction) is to force the ball to him.

It's my opinion that given his declining skills, given Romo's problem for forcing the ball into coverage (Owens or not), given that the offense tends to bog down when they force to Owens, he's not worth it.

Notice how he complains mostly after a loss? Yeah...terrific. At exactly the time he should be shutting his mouth, he complains the most. And also, take a look in the mirror when you lose.

Have a nice day.

They dont run plays that are to TO's strength. They dont create mismatches.

You call it forcing. I dont. I call it trying to get the ball to the playmaker that they brought in and paid for to do a job and he wants to do it. Let me distill this too.... THEY ARE GOING ABOUT IT WRONG.

I disagree. I want a guy who will complain after a loss INSTEAD of brushing it off.

I intend to have a nice day... you do the same. Muchos Nachos my NY paisan

owens stays


he wants the ball
he gets Poed when we dont win ( wish our coaches and some players had the cajones to be like that)
he is still feared in the NFL as a wideout
and He is still in great shape

Owens stays

Just the facts man... just the facts.

 

[Chrissyboy]

I disagree. I want a guy who will complain after a loss INSTEAD of brushing it off.

That is just a selfish loser's mentality! Be upset, yes NOT complain.

Surely, you are not serious! You want a team of whingers after defeat?!!! I want a team that goes into that changing room and looks at what THEY THESELVES did wrong before they think they are coaches and call others out! That is how hierarchies work. Who is in charge here?!

Teams win by supporting each other, not pulling each other down. Look in the mirror first. Keep your mouth shut unless it is helpful. That is how teams build.....trust, faith and support.

Seen it in sports all over the world, little cliques forming in corners, undermining players and coaches ... just leads to losing.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Mike Golic brought it up on Mike & MIKE. Do we keep the man who has been the one bright spot when it comes to overall stats on offense? Or do we dump him because we are looking for more team chemistry?

How has he messed up team chemistry? I think we keep him.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

That is just a selfish loser's mentality!

Surely, you are not serious! You want a team of whingers after defeat?!!! I want a team that goes into that changing room and looks at what THEY THESELVES did wrong before they think they are coaches and call others out! That is how hierarchies work. Who is in charge here?!

Teams win by supporting each other, not pulling each other down. Look in the mirror first. Keep your mouth shut unless it is helpful. That is how teams build.....trust, faith and support.

You are entitled to your opinion... everyone has :moonbartne.


When Romo does it his way is MORE of a loser's mentality IMO.

TO wants to right the ship and Romo says "if we win, we win.. if we lose we lose"