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dragon_mikal said:
What kind of excuse is that? WE HAVE TO WIN, TOO!

We have to win as many games as possible. We are not alright. We won't be alright until Parcells pulls his head out of his you know what and starts gameplanning week to week instead of using the same damn gameplan against every opponent. Face it, our offense is the most predictable offense in the league.

I think our defense will be better even though I still don't trust Zimmer, but right now Parcells and Payton are losing respect very quickly.

Good point about the gameplan. it does seem the same every week. Its almost like the pre-season when you don't gameplan.
 

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Nice rant/evaluation, David.... I agree about so many things...

Parcells and the blame game: He should realize that this team isn't performing well at all, but instead he says -- and I think truly believes -- that those false starts and little penalties really cost the team the game... And of course, he "doesn't coach penalties", so he didn't really do anything wrong. He can point to the close score and say that they made the difference, but he doesn't acknowledge that we shouldn't be going down to the wire with teams like this.

Newman and punt returns: I know this sounds like a constant theme with me, but I don't understand it either. Actually, I do think I understand it. I'm starting to think that Parcells really didn't want Newman, and almost like Eddie George (and possibly now Peerless Price), he isn't going to use him. Patrick Crayton was his draft find, his new-millenium Troy Brown, and he's going to use him instead. This is two games in three weeks that a big return in the last minute of a half or game could have made a huge difference, and both times Crayton has been the one back there. That says all you need to know.

Effort and intensity: This has bothered me since last year. I'm so tired of seeing every other team on TV flying around, hitting, having fun, playing with emotion, while we don't. And when I look back to probably our best defensive game of the last 13 months, it was the second Eagles game last year when Parcells distanced himself from the team and barely spoke to them, the same game that Ellis told them all to forget mistakes and just play with abandon for once. That's says something, doesn't it?

And finally, on Jerry: People can criticize him for being too meddling, too bumpkin, too anything, but you better believe that if anyone else had shelled out 50 million dollars (or whatever it was) in signing bonuses and basically turned control of his business to someone, he'd expect better results than this. It's ironic to me that Parcells puts players' heads in the figurative vise but then has to be handled with kid gloves by his own boss. I thought it was a "results business" where you "don't tell me about the pain, show me the baby", but that only seems to apply to players. Frankly, I give Jerry much credit for staying as calm and positive as he has considering his massive financial outlays have yielded basically .500 results at best.
 

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Jarv said:
Good point about the gameplan. it does seem the same every week. Its almost like the pre-season when you don't gameplan.

Exactly.

Julius up the middle.

Julius up the middle.

Pass to Keyshawn.

Punt.

Continue until the 4th quarter when we find ourselves down by two scores and then open up the offense.

It's sickening...
 

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Chocolate Lab said:
And finally, on Jerry: People can criticize him for being too meddling, too bumpkin, too anything, but you better believe that if anyone else had shelled out 50 million dollars (or whatever it was) in signing bonuses and basically turned control of his business to someone, he'd expect better results than this. It's ironic to me that Parcells puts players' heads in the figurative vise but then has to be handled with kid gloves by his own boss. I thought it was a "results business" where you "don't tell me about the pain, show me the baby", but that only seems to apply to players. Frankly, I give Jerry much credit for staying as calm and positive as he has considering his massive financial outlays have yielded basically .500 results at best.

I really think Parcells is gone if this season tanks...I cant imagine Jones will stand by and do nothing if we finish 5-11 or 6-10 again

Jones might not fire him per se, but I think he'll be gone

David
 

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dbair1967 said:
I really think Parcells is gone if this season tanks...I cant imagine Jones will stand by and do nothing if we finish 5-11 or 6-10 again

Jones might not fire him per se, but I think he'll be gone

David

First off, I think Parcells gets at least one more year, even if the Cowboys tank, but my question is who takes over for Bill? If Bill can't do it, who can?

My suggestion, Jones writes the biggest damn check of his life to Belichick. :D
 

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dbair1967 said:
I really think Parcells is gone if this season tanks...I cant imagine Jones will stand by and do nothing if we finish 5-11 or 6-10 again

Jones might not fire him per se, but I think he'll be gone

David

And that, my friend, scares me more than anything else.
 

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TruBlueCowboy said:
First off, I think Parcells gets at least one more year, even if the Cowboys tank, but my question is who takes over for Bill? If Bill can't do it, who can?

My suggestion, Jones writes the biggest damn check of his life to Belichick. :D

I want Charlie from ND. Go get him Jerry...and give him a 20 year contract! And for the love of God let him go get his own coaching staff. Start fresh!
 
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Chocolate Lab said:
Nice rant/evaluation, David.... I agree about so many things...

Parcells and the blame game: He should realize that this team isn't performing well at all, but instead he says -- and I think truly believes -- that those false starts and little penalties really cost the team the game... And of course, he "doesn't coach penalties", so he didn't really do anything wrong. He can point to the close score and say that they made the difference, but he doesn't acknowledge that we shouldn't be going down to the wire with teams like this.

Newman and punt returns: I know this sounds like a constant theme with me, but I don't understand it either. Actually, I do think I understand it. I'm starting to think that Parcells really didn't want Newman, and almost like Eddie George (and possibly now Peerless Price), he isn't going to use him. Patrick Crayton was his draft find, his new-millenium Troy Brown, and he's going to use him instead. This is two games in three weeks that a big return in the last minute of a half or game could have made a huge difference, and both times Crayton has been the one back there. That says all you need to know.

Effort and intensity: This has bothered me since last year. I'm so tired of seeing every other team on TV flying around, hitting, having fun, playing with emotion, while we don't. And when I look back to probably our best defensive game of the last 13 months, it was the second Eagles game last year when Parcells distanced himself from the team and barely spoke to them, the same game that Ellis told them all to forget mistakes and just play with abandon for once. That's says something, doesn't it?

And finally, on Jerry: People can criticize him for being too meddling, too bumpkin, too anything, but you better believe that if anyone else had shelled out 50 million dollars (or whatever it was) in signing bonuses and basically turned control of his business to someone, he'd expect better results than this. It's ironic to me that Parcells puts players' heads in the figurative vise but then has to be handled with kid gloves by his own boss. I thought it was a "results business" where you "don't tell me about the pain, show me the baby", but that only seems to apply to players. Frankly, I give Jerry much credit for staying as calm and positive as he has considering his massive financial outlays have yielded basically .500 results at best.

Good points...
I hate to think of us now having to play filthy with us playing like this, I think we have the talent to beat them too, thats what will hurt the most, if we don't put our players in a position to excell...

Yes, we play VERY plain jane on both offense & defense...That won't work vs filthy, or at least 1/2 the other teams in the NFL...
 

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Moose was also wondering why we were not attacking the Raiders down the field. As was I. If not for a terrible effort by the Raiders on Craytons TD we might not have even scored a touchdown yesterday. With a veteran group of WR and a veteran QB I can't figure out for the life of me why Bill thinks he needs to keep games close so we don't get blown out. With Quincey a few years ago I could see it, but not with this group, including HIS handpicked QB.
 

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Chocolate Lab said:
And finally, on Jerry: People can criticize him for being too meddling, too bumpkin, too anything, but you better believe that if anyone else had shelled out 50 million dollars (or whatever it was) in signing bonuses and basically turned control of his business to someone, he'd expect better results than this.
Jerry turned control of his business over to someone because he had no choice. He realized that what he and his people were doing wasn't working.
 

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TruBlueCowboy said:
First off, I think Parcells gets at least one more year, even if the Cowboys tank, but my question is who takes over for Bill? If Bill can't do it, who can?

My suggestion, Jones writes the biggest damn check of his life to Belichick. :D


Its odd to me that BP's best coaching job to date has been with the team that had the least talent.

10 wins out of those bums in 2003 is nothing short of amazing.
 

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I noticed that the coverage of Moss really didn't change afte his first big play. Throughout the game, Dallas split out the OLB on Moss and drifted the safety over for deep coverage. It wasn't as if they just threw that coverage out after it failed on one play. They kept using it and did a better job of it the rest of the game.

The last several seasons everyone has said if the offense could score more points each game that Dallas would win more games. That was when they were averaging about 17 to 18 points a game. In the two losses, they have scored only 13 in both. Not many teams are going to win just scoring 13 points.
 

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Wow, just wow. You summed up my thoughts perfectly. Nothing else really needs to be said.
 

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TruBlueCowboy said:
First off, I think Parcells gets at least one more year, even if the Cowboys tank, but my question is who takes over for Bill? If Bill can't do it, who can?

:D

there will always be coaches, the key is to hire quality guys and not make massive reaches like he did with Switer and Campo...Gailey wasnt a bad idea, he just ended up being bad...just like Parcells was a great idea at the time, but has prretty much proven to me that he wont be able to get the job done...Parcells reminds me of alot of other old time coaches who hang on too long and the results get worse and worse either because the games passes them by and they dont know how to adjust, or know how to adjust but dont because they are too stubborn

David
 

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dragon_mikal said:
And that, my friend, scares me more than anything else.

we're 1 game below .500 since Parcells took over...him leaving doesnt scrae me in the least...

David
 

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junk said:
Its odd to me that BP's best coaching job to date has been with the team that had the least talent.

10 wins out of those bums in 2003 is nothing short of amazing.

clearly now a product of a bad schedule

David
 

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dbair1967 said:
we're 1 game below .500 since Parcells took over...him leaving doesnt scrae me in the least...

David

As long as Jerry Jones is the owner of this team I will always be concerned when we go out for a new coach.

I promise you that if Bill Parcells is fired Jerry will hire another puppet head coach and this team will never sniff the playoffs.

At least Parcells knows how to draft. If Jerry ever has to do it again, I'll scream.
 

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dbair1967 said:
clearly now a product of a bad schedule

David

Half the 2003 team is out of football now.

Talentwise, how much worse could those other teams have been than us?
 

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Half the 2003 team is out of football now.

Talentwise, how much worse could those other teams have been than us?

good point, but we did kinda get 10 wins against a poor schedule

and the two good teams we did beat the first time, creamed us the 2nd time we played them

David
 

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dragon_mikal said:
As long as Jerry Jones is the owner of this team I will always be concerned when we go out for a new coach.

I promise you that if Bill Parcells is fired Jerry will hire another puppet head caoch and this team will never sniff the playoffs.

At least Parcells knows how to draft. If Jerry ever has to do it again, I'll scream.

so maybe the answer is to have Parcells enter the front office in some capacity...because if you are saying he knows how to draft (I am assuming you mean he's taken good players) then its just firther indictment on how poor a job he's done as a coach, because he's getting good players and coming up with poor results.

I am not worried about Jones hiring another Switzer or Campo, he learned his lesson.

David
 
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