yet another debacle, thoughts

[Chocolate Lab]

I think everyone and their mother thinks LA and Flo are a whole lot better than they actually are. Both have been instrumental in our 2 losses in one way or another, and I for one am sick of wondering whether one or the other is going to decide to show up and play 60 minutes of football one of these days.

Now you can say this is the coaches fault, but I still don't think Larry has bought into the Parcells thing fully from day one, and the only solid, consistent-for-16-games season Flo ever had was 2003 under Bill, so what changed?

I've been thinking about making a thread about that very thing. We count on those guys to be great players, but they don't play like it.

LA was a great player but is just getting on in years. Flozell might be that classic coach-killing player who has enough talent to be dominant but never is consistent enough to count on.

I think this is LA's last year, but it's going to be a very tough proposition if we have to find a new left tackle.

 

[diehard2294]

OK.

What about Zimmer's boss?

You ever hear that a fish rots from the head down?

thanks

 

[Cbz40]

I've been thinking about making a thread about that very thing. We count on those guys to be great players, but they don't play like it.

LA was a great player but is just getting on in years. Flozell might be that classic coach-killing player who has enough talent to be dominant but never is consistent enough to count on.

I think this is LA's last year, but it's going to be a very tough proposition if we have to find a new left tackle.

At times I get the impression that LA and Flo are playing for the paycheck only. They show up for the game ..go throught he motions of an OLmen and go home. I was excited about LA getting in Cortez's face last week....finally showing some emotion & passion for the game........Flo and LA were schooled yesterday.

 

[wileedog]

At times I get the impression that LA and Flo are playing for the paycheck only. They show up for the game ..go throught he motions of an OLmen and go home. I was excited about LA getting in Cortez's face last week....finally showing some emotion & passion for the game........Flo and LA were schooled yesterday.

I thought that might be a turning point for LA too, but turns out he just hates kickers. Allen made Sapp look 5 years younger all day long.

I don't even know what Flo was doing half the time.

I'd honestly rather have two guys out there who might not be as good, who might not actually dominate for a play or two, but at least have some consistency. I bet Bill would too.

 

[Waffle]

I think you confuse "doom and gloom" with harsh reality...and that reality is that what we're seeing on the field today isnt all that much different (especially defensively) from what we saw from 2000-2002 with Campo as HC...there are markedly better players on this team now, the results should be better...

David

I see a team this season nothing like those of the Campo era. I see a young team (despite what JJT thinks) playing hard and making mistakes. Growing pains if you will. It's only 4 games into the season, so it's hard to say that the result aren't "better" since we still have 3/4 of the season left.

I see a QB (who I ripped in the offseason) that is playing better than any QB we've had since Aikman. Yes, he pats the ball way too much at times, but he's getting the job done for the most part. I see "ancient" WRs making spectacular catches and a young 7th round guy (Crayton) who is making more plays week after week. I see a RT (Petitti) who makes his share of errors, but looks much more capable of playing the position than Tucker, Vollers, or anyone else we've been throwing out there. I see a TE that is a warrior on the field. On one play, it took eight guys to bring Witten down. I see a team who beat the same San Diego squad who just wholloped the New England Patriots (in Foxboro) as well as the Giants the week before. (I could go on, but I have dinner plans tonight :beer1: )

Let's see how we look around Thanksgiving before writing off Parcells and the 2005 Cowboys. In my opinion, it's way too early to begin comparing this team to Campo and all three of his 5-11 squads.

 

[kartr]

ho hum...another week, another terrible effort...we got out and out manhandled yesterday on both sides of the ball...thoughts:

1) poor Drew Bledsoe...the guy had to be licking his chops to be facing a team that had only one sack in 3 games and had yielded nearly 900 yds passing...yet he was hammered repeatedly and had a terrible day...he had some people open but missed most of them because the the Raiders front 7 played like the 85 Bears against our horrendous OL...run blocking and pass blocking get a big, fat F for yesterday

2) I cant go further w/o mentioning that juggernaut Niners team that we barely beat last week got absolutely lambasted last night by the 0-3 Cardinals starting a backup QB...Tim Rattay looked like the scrub that he really is vs the Cards and was benced (again) one week after looking like Joe Montana vs our pathetic defense...yeah Zimmer supporting goobers, he does a GREAT job doesnt he?

3) I notice Parcells spent alot of the postgame distributing blame for the loss, I notice he didnt mention himself...its almost a weekly occurence now to see this team outcoached and outmotivated in every way imaginable, isnt it time he accept some of the blame? He made several other in game blunders...lets start with the end of the 1st half, with almost 50 seconds left and 2 timeouts left they punted the Raiders deep, the Raiders then showed they simply wanted to run out the clock, and rather than use the timeouts Parcells let all but 7 seconds run off..wouldnt a smart coach see this an opportunity to get Terrance Newman on the field for a potential big return? at least they might have had time to get a FG...instead Parcells lets the time basically expire, puts Patrick Crayton deep and then argues for 2 seconds to be put on the clock so he can have Bledsoe heave a hail mary...Parcells blunders on the offensive game plan, trying to force a run game that isnt working repeatedly...Parcells also blunders at the end of the game, with a 4th down play and all 3 timeouts remaining, genius doesnt realize that if they dont make it they still have an ample opportunity to use the 3 timeouts and get the ball back with some time remaining and good field position...instead Parcells wastes a TO, and of course we dont make it...the point turns moot as we cant stop a team we know is going to simply handoff to burn clock from getting a cheap first down in two plays

4) more on Parcells...why is this team fundamentally so bad? this is yr three here, and its still a poor blocking and tackling team...look at this corp of assistants, honestly, would any of them have jobs elsewhere? maybe a couple at best...He has surrounded himself with an incompetent coaching staff, and it shows on game days..we had a prime opportunity to be 4-0 after stealing a win in San Diego, instead we're 2-2 and heading into the meat of the schedule...why does this team appear to flat and listless every week? The Raiders were 0-3, yet they were flyaing around all over the place and playing with alot of emotion...we looked like freaking zombies

5) nobody on the OL played well yesterday, but Petetti and Al Johnson looked particularly bad...and its 4 weeks into the season, and I cant see how Marco Rivera was worth the 9 million signing bonus we gave him either...and this was vs a team that had put no pressure on the other teams QB's and had only one sack in 3 games

6) we have alot of talent on defense, but you'd never know it most days...this is hands down the worst coached defense in the league and the easiest defense for any team to prepare for...you basically know exactly what every player is going to do and where each player is going to run to on every down...Roy Williams was totally taken out of the game plan by OUR COACHING STAFF for the 2nd week in a row...third week in a row we've yielded a 70+ yd pass on defense...this time the genius that is Zimmer thought it would really be smart to ahve rookie DeMarcus Ware and Keith Davis (who is horrible in coverage) try to play Randy Moss..result, easy 79 yd bomb that should have been a TD if not for great play by Newman to catch Moss...also saw Davistrying to cover Moss deep downfield later in, bonehead left Moss and tried to help Newman on the underneath guy...Moss was wide open for big play on the sideline, but fortunately Collins threw a bad ball...Lamont Jordan had almost as many yds rushing yesterday against us as he did total in his first three games...that after last weeks utter embarrassment against the Niners, in which they scored more pts and had more yds than they had in their first two games combined

7) honest question...look at this teams play, is THIS worth 18 million? Thats what Jones is paying for it (Parcells contract)...this is the same uninspired, poorly prepared garbage we saw for years with Campo and Gailey, and they only cost about 500k per yr

8) I cant see us winning any of the next 3 games, and expect that all 3 will be pretty ugly, one sided losses...looking at the entire schedule now and seeing how poorly we are playing, you'd be hard pressed to see this team winning more than 5 games this yr

David

Now you see what I saw before the season began. All that talk about what a great draft and great free agent signings and how biased the media was against us in not giving us credit for the best off-season in the NFL. Parcells has been hit and miss ever since he came here. I thought Bledsoe would be every thing that he has shown, good against bad teams and bad against good teams and yet he's the only real qb we have on the roster. Can you imagine Romo or Henson even keep it close against the teams we've played against? No. We'd be 0-4 and the laughing-stocks of the league. If Bledsoe is lost for any appreciable time we would lose every game thereafter. Now, even Testeverde isn't available cause we waited.