yet another debacle, thoughts

[Cbz40]

david I agree with you on just about everything you had to say.

I give alot of credit to Parcells for upgrading the talent on this football team. My concern now is that our coaches(both sides of the ball including HC) do not know how to properly use the talent that Jerry has spent millions in salary to bring in.

This is really starting to bug me, at the very least I was expecting Parcells to be a great gameday coach........I'm beginning to have my doubts.

 

[Waffle]

david I agree with you on just about everything you had to say.

I give alot of credit to Parcells for upgrading the talent on this football team. My concern now is that our coaches(both sides of the ball including HC) do not know how to properly use the talent that Jerry has spent millions in salary to bring in.

This is really starting to bug me, at the very least I was expecting Parcells to be a great gameday coach........I'm beginning to have my doubts.

Don't jump off the bandwagon just yet, Pops!! It's still early!!

 

[dfense]

I suppose every loss is going to be a "debacle" for some. For me, Bledsoe wasn't sharp and it showed. He's been playing pretty damn well lately so he was do. They seemed so preoccupied with stopping the pass that the run hurt them. On the 2 with a chance to steal the game and they failed. I wouldn't call that a debacle. Maybe a missed golden opportunity. But hey, if somebody told you they'd keep Moss and Collins out of the endzone all day, you'd take it in a heartbeat.

 

[Cbz40]

Don't jump off the bandwagon just yet, Pops!! It's still early!!

I'm not a bandwagon jumper......but I will let my concerns be known. I will also question stupid game plans.....

 

[Waffle]

I'm not a bandwagon jumper......but I will let my concerns be known. I will also question stupid game plans.....

That's fair. With that said, I just can't stand all the "doom and gloom" being spewed by some, that's all. Yes, Parcells and the coaches had their share of mistakes, but the players have to bear some of the responsibilty themselves. I feel we have many young players who are making mistakes on the job. The coaches may be making questionable decisions to try and minimize their negative plays. Just my theory.

 

[Doomsday101]

That's fair. With that said, I just can't stand all the "doom and gloom" being spewed by some, that's all. Yes, Parcells and the coaches had their share of mistakes, but the players have to bear some of the responsibilty themselves. I feel we have many young players who are making mistakes on the job. The coaches may be making questionable decisions to try and minimize their negative plays. Just my theory.

I agree with you. But the fact is any time we lose a game there will always be those who 2nd guess. Dallas could have went to passing game and had we lost many would be saying why didn't we run. May as well face it monday morning QB are out in full force when you lose and they all have the perfect solution on how we could have won as if they had a fricken clue. LOL

 

[kingwhicker]

we're 1 game below .500 since Parcells took over...him leaving doesnt scrae me in the least...

David

His leaving encourages me.

 

[AdamJT13]

5) nobody on the OL played well yesterday, but Petetti and Al Johnson looked particularly bad.

Sorry, David, but you apparently didn't watch Al Johnson closely enough if you thought he played bad. I re-watched the game, focusing on the center on every offensive play. Johnson didn't even have one bad PLAY. Gurode even played very well.

Seriously, Al Johnson is becoming this year's Terence Newman, and Andre Gurode is Lance Frazier. Last year, Newman had a couple of bad games, and some fans started saying he played terrible in games when he actually never allowed a catch. Meanwhile, Frazier got torched in almost every game, and a lot of fans loved him, for some reason. This year, Johnson has had only a few bad PLAYS and has played pretty well overall. (Yesterday, he was flat-out great.) Meanwhile, Gurode struggled much more (especially against Washington) until yesterday, but a lot of fans are clamoring for him to play all of the time.

 

[kingwhicker]

I'm not a bandwagon jumper......but I will let my concerns be known. I will also question stupid game plans.....

Thank you. It just goes to show that all of us are not haters or stupid because we don't lap up the blue Kool-Aid and the Trust in Bill Bull.

 

[Charles]

Sorry, David, but you apparently didn't watch Al Johnson closely enough if you thought he played bad. I re-watched the game, focusing on the center on every offensive play. Johnson didn't even have one bad PLAY. Gurode even played very well.

Seriously, Al Johnson is becoming this year's Terence Newman, and Andre Gurode is Lance Frazier. Last year, Newman had a couple of bad games, and some fans started saying he played terrible in games when he actually never allowed a catch. Meanwhile, Frazier got torched in almost every game, and a lot of fans loved him, for some reason. This year, Johnson has had only a few bad PLAYS and has played pretty well overall. (Yesterday, he was flat-out great.) Meanwhile, Gurode struggled much more (especially against Washington) until yesterday, but a lot of fans are clamoring for him to play all of the time.

I don't seem to recall anyone of Lance Frazier's caliber taking playing time away from Terence Newman when Newman had a couple of bad games .

It's become quite apparent that Parcells doesn't trust Al Johnson's Newman like ability against mammoth sized DTs or NTs. Guys like Stepnoski and Mawae centers on the smaller side where talented and techically sound enough to warrant full time starting duties unlike Al Johnson.

It's very simple whomever overcomes their inabilities 1st and plays at a consistent level will be the starting center for years to come.

Al Johnson better get his act together to become a complete center and Gurode better get the offense down mentally.

 

[dbair1967]

Sorry, David, but you apparently didn't watch Al Johnson closely enough if you thought he played bad. I re-watched the game, focusing on the center on every offensive play. Johnson didn't even have one bad PLAY. Gurode even played very well.

Seriously, Al Johnson is becoming this year's Terence Newman, and Andre Gurode is Lance Frazier. Last year, Newman had a couple of bad games, and some fans started saying he played terrible in games when he actually never allowed a catch. Meanwhile, Frazier got torched in almost every game, and a lot of fans loved him, for some reason. This year, Johnson has had only a few bad PLAYS and has played pretty well overall. (Yesterday, he was flat-out great.) Meanwhile, Gurode struggled much more (especially against Washington) until yesterday, but a lot of fans are clamoring for him to play all of the time.

I agree with what you say on Newman, it was bad last yr...especially since some of us thought he was hurt and were told it was just an excuse for him, only to find out later he did indeed play hurt all yr

that said, sure seemed like alot of run plays were stuffed for little or no gain because of pressure right up the middle or just off the middle...I didnt rewatch the game (and wont) but I thought Al Johnson was in for most of the game...

I think the OL is struggling because of bad coaching, because IMO the talent is there to be better than this..

David

 

[AdamJT13]

that said, sure seemed like alot of run plays were stuffed for little or no gain because of pressure right up the middle or just off the middle...I didnt rewatch the game (and wont) but I thought Al Johnson was in for most of the game.

Johnson started and finished the game. Gurode played the second and third quarters and the start of the fourth, and he finished with more snaps. Both of them played very well, which Parcells reportedly acknowledged in his press conference today.

 

[dbair1967]

That's fair. With that said, I just can't stand all the "doom and gloom" being spewed by some, that's all. Yes, Parcells and the coaches had their share of mistakes, but the players have to bear some of the responsibilty themselves. I feel we have many young players who are making mistakes on the job. The coaches may be making questionable decisions to try and minimize their negative plays. Just my theory.

I think you confuse "doom and gloom" with harsh reality...and that reality is that what we're seeing on the field today isnt all that much different (especially defensively) from what we saw from 2000-2002 with Campo as HC...there are markedly better players on this team now, the results should be better...

David

 

[Doomsday101]

I think you confuse "doom and gloom" with harsh reality...and that reality is that what we're seeing on the field today isnt all that much different (especially defensively) from what we saw from 2000-2002 with Campo as HC...there are markedly better players on this team now, the results should be better...

David

Not all of us expected Dallas to get off to a quick start either, I guess it all lies where your expectations were. The reality is we are in week 4 with 12 games to go. This team still has a lot of improving to do but there is time to get things going. Right now there are many frustrated fans just some of us are keeping it together and not letting our emotions get the better of us.

 

[wileedog]

I think the OL is struggling because of bad coaching, because IMO the talent is there to be better than this..

David

I think everyone and their mother thinks LA and Flo are a whole lot better than they actually are. Both have been instrumental in our 2 losses in one way or another, and I for one am sick of wondering whether one or the other is going to decide to show up and play 60 minutes of football one of these days.

Now you can say this is the coaches fault, but I still don't think Larry has bought into the Parcells thing fully from day one, and the only solid, consistent-for-16-games season Flo ever had was 2003 under Bill, so what changed?

This should be a deep draft of OL, and I think we need to take advantage of it this year and replace the left side with more consistency.

 

[wileedog]

I think you confuse "doom and gloom" with harsh reality...and that reality is that what we're seeing on the field today isnt all that much different (especially defensively) from what we saw from 2000-2002 with Campo as HC...there are markedly better players on this team now, the results should be better...

David

I don't agree.

Campo's teams would have folded three seperate times in the San Diego game, and certainly at the end of the Niner game. Those teams didn't come back on anybody, and once they got hit in the mouth they were good and done.

Also, we have been very, very strong in the 4th quarter this year (with the obvious exception of 2 brain farts in 3 minutes against Washington) - Campo's teams were notorious for wearing down in the 4th quarter and squandering leads. Heck, we were still doing it last year.

Furthermore, defensively under Campo we were always 'bend don't break'. We rarely created turnovers or pressure.

Now sure this Defense ain't exactly the 85 Bears, but the potential has been flashing. Canty looked great yesterday, Ware got another sack and some good pressure, Spears will get better and better. The CBs with some notable exceptions have been very good and have played the ball way more than we ever did with Campo.

We need more LBers to get this done, and I'm sure we'll persue more this offseason, but I find it hard to believe that this defense won't be much better 8-10 weeks from now, and much, much better next year than anything Campo put on the field.

 

[bbgun]

Parcells also blunders at the end of the game, with a 4th down play and all 3 timeouts remaining, genius doesnt realize that if they dont make it they still have an ample opportunity to use the 3 timeouts and get the ball back with some time remaining and good field position...instead Parcells wastes a TO, and of course we dont make it...the point turns moot as we cant stop a team we know is going to simply handoff to burn clock from getting a cheap first down in two plays

You know, at the time, I questioned the merit of that decision too. But it was a critical "game over if you don't succeed" play and we had to be on the same page. Of course, they proceeded to run a crappy play, but don't blame it on being confused or hurried.

 

[AdamJT13]

Johnson started and finished the game. Gurode played the second and third quarters and the start of the fourth, and he finished with more snaps. Both of them played very well, which Parcells reportedly acknowledged in his press conference today.

Here's Parcells' quote, talking about the problems on the offensive line yesterday: "Other than the centers, who played pretty well, we had problems at all of the other positions a little bit, from time to time."

 

[Billy Bullocks]

With Campo we got three and out most of the time on offense with no hope of winning many games. The Raiders are good. The Eagles barely beat them at home. We played them in Oakland and they were looking at 0-4 if they lost, in other words their backs were against the wall. We should have won but we sure didn't stink up the joint.

The Raiders woul probably have been 2-1 had they had our schedule coming into the game. It was a close game. Pats, Eagles, Chiefes. Thats not easy to start the year off

 

[Cbz40]

That's fair. With that said, I just can't stand all the "doom and gloom" being spewed by some, that's all. Yes, Parcells and the coaches had their share of mistakes, but the players have to bear some of the responsibilty themselves. I feel we have many young players who are making mistakes on the job. The coaches may be making questionable decisions to try and minimize their negative plays. Just my theory.

I can be and have been as patient as anyone knowing this team was starting a number of new players on both sides of the ball. I can live with the rookie mistakes, blown assignments, penalties.....but I refuse to be patient with a coach making 18mil a year giving us mediocre game plans and refuses to abandon the plan when it is as plain as the nose on your face it isn't working.

Running fades on the goal line is a ridiculous play, using JJ as if he were a John Riggins is stupid, and throwing for a first down and coming up a yard short is ridiculous.

I would betThis Offense is the easiest in the league to game plan for and it should not be that way. With the talent at WR, RB, TE.........we should be putting D's on there heels. I will admit the OL play has to get better especially in the running game.......Pass protection can be alot better as well.

The D side of the ball. learning a new scheme, the young players, are doing ok and I will exercise a little more patience. I still question Zimmer & BP, no imagination.......same old same old blitzes......blitz a LB and watch them bounce off the OL.....whoopieeeee what fun, watch and follow the bouncing LB and S and see where he lands. :bang2:

It may be just me but "Pops" thinks jerry should be able to get more for his buck when it comes to game day preparation.