Yet Another QB Ranking - But This One Shocked Me Twice

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rpntex said:
If it's an officially recognized stat by the NFL, it would be Listed as such by the various sport websites

ESPN...NFL.com...pro-footballreference.com. None f them list W-L records in the "statistics" section.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing No stat for QB w-l records is listed
http://www.pro-footballreference.com/leaders No stat for QB w-l records is listed
http://www.nfl.com/players/search?category=position. No stat for QB w-l records is listed

I gave you THREE links to official and REPUTABLE sites, all affiliated with the NFL, that don't recognize it as a statistic. All you can come up with is Wikipedia - an unverifiable source of information that is not affiliated with the NFL is any official capacity. So feel free to answer my challenge...provide ONE source that shows QB W-L record to be an official, league-sanctioned stat.

Calling Wikipedia an "official" source for anything is laughable.
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Actually the QB Win Loss record is available on pro-footballreference.com. You can see it on the individual player pages and in the Play Index section
http://pfref.com/tiny/kD75W
 
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I simply cannot understand the mindset of this.

Russell Wilson threw FOUR interceptions in the NFC Championship game with a 44 Quarterback Rating.

Tony Romo was 25-19 for 191 yards with 2 Touchdowns and a rating of 143.6 vs the Packers in the Divisional Playoff game EVEN...even...after throwing a perfect pass that could've won it

Yet somehow the leap is made that it is Romo's fault that we lost and Wilson's skill the reason he won.
 
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DandyDon1722 said:
I simply cannot understand the mindset of this.

Russell Wilson threw FOUR interceptions in the NFC Championship game with a 44 Quarterback Rating.

Tony Romo was 25-19 for 191 yards with 2 Touchdowns and a rating of 143.6 vs the Packers in the Divisional Playoff game EVEN...even after throwing a perfect pass that could've won it.

Yet somehow the leap is made that it is Romo's fault that we lost and Wilson's skill the reason he won.
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Be glad you can't understand it. That likely means you haven't suffered some sort of blunt force trauma to the cranium. You also likely haven't been deprived of oxygen for any great length of time. So I'd call it a win for you.

The day that I can understand that kind of thinking I'll grow concerned, or I'll just be too stupid to care.
 
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DandyDon1722 said:
I simply cannot understand the mindset of this.

Russell Wilson threw FOUR interceptions in the NFC Championship game with a 44 Quarterback Rating.

Tony Romo was 25-19 for 191 yards with 2 Touchdowns and a rating of 143.6 vs the Packers in the Divisional Playoff game EVEN...even...after throwing a perfect pass that could've won it

Yet somehow the leap is made that it is Romo's fault that we lost and Wilson's skill the reason he won.
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I haven't seen anywhere where the assumption has been made that it was Romo's fault that the Cowboys lost to Green Bay and that it was Wilson's skill level that resulted in Seattle's miracle comeback win over the Packers. The reason Wilson received the praise he did for that playoff win was due to the fact that he was having arguably the worst game of his career but somehow was able to dig deep down inside and make 2 of the best throws you'll ever see in a do or die situation. I've never seen a QB have as miserable a playoff game as Wilson was having and recover just in the nick of time. The throw for the 2 point conversion with just over 2 minutes to play was incredible and Wilson's TD throw in OT couldn't have been placed in the receivers hands anymore perfectly than it was. Not even Roger Staubach ever had as miraculous a comeback as Wilson pulled off in that game. Naturally Cowboy FANS look at his numbers and passer rating and tear him down that's the agenda many have here.

Cowboy FANS refuse to give the guy an ounce of credit for rebounding the way he did in that game. As for Romo he played a very solid game vs the Packers but when the game was on the line in the second half an injured and limping Aaron Rodgers outplayed him. Rodgers diced up the Cowboys defense in the second half and although Romo played well and had a higher passer rating than Rodgers it was Rodgers 3 TD throws that were the difference. It certainly wasn't Romo's fault the Cowboys lost that game but as you and I discussed a couple of weeks ago Romo deciding to go to Dez on a 4th and 2 with over 4 minutes to play on a 50-50 jump ball from 32 yards out was a bad decision.

Like we discussed a high percentage throw to Witten or Beasley to pick up the first down would have helped the Cowboys milk the clock forcing the Packers to burn their TO's. The closer the Cowboys got to the endzone would have brought a fade into play to Dez in the corner of the end zone that would have been very difficult to defend in that situation. As poorly as the Cowboys defense was playing even had Dez' catch not been reversed and the Cowboys pounded the ball in the defense would have never been able to stop Rodgers. Proof of that was on the Packers final drive when all they were looking to do was eat up the clock. They drove from the Cowboys 33 to their 28 and Rodgers able to take a knee with just over 1:40 left in the game.
 
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If we're talking right now and not basing things off of their overall careers:

1A. Rodgers
1B. Brady

After that, it gets tricky. You could put Romo, Luck, Brees, Peyton, Big Ben, and Wilson in any order and I don't think I could argue.

Next tier guys, IMO, are guys like Flacco (except in the playoffs), Eli, Newton, Rivers, Ryan, Stafford, etc.

Then things get even trickier with guys like Kaepernick, Dalton, Cutler, Tannehill, Alex Smith... I feel that during any given week they can play like they belong with the tier above them.

QB rankings are a tough thing because everyone uses different criteria to base their judgements on. However, just based on watching these guys play, this is how I rank them.
 
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KJJ said:
I haven't seen anywhere where the assumption has been made that it was Romo's fault that the Cowboys lost to Green Bay and that it was Wilson's skill level that resulted in Seattle's miracle comeback win over the Packers. The reason Wilson received the praise he did for that playoff win was due to the fact that he was having arguably the worst game of his career but somehow was able to dig deep down inside and make 2 of the best throws you'll ever see in a do or die situation. I've never seen a QB have as miserable a playoff game as Wilson was having and recover just in the nick of time. The throw for the 2 point conversion with just over 2 minutes to play was incredible and Wilson's TD throw in OT couldn't have been placed in the receivers hands anymore perfectly than it was. Not even Roger Staubach ever had as miraculous a comeback as Wilson pulled off in that game. Naturally Cowboy FANS look at his numbers and passer rating and tear him down that's the agenda many have here.

Cowboy FANS refuse to give the guy an ounce of credit for rebounding the way he did in that game. As for Romo he played a very solid game vs the Packers but when the game was on the line in the second half an injured and limping Aaron Rodgers outplayed him. Rodgers diced up the Cowboys defense in the second half and although Romo played well and had a higher passer rating than Rodgers it was Rodgers 3 TD throws that were the difference. It certainly wasn't Romo's fault the Cowboys lost that game but as you and I discussed a couple of weeks ago Romo deciding to go to Dez on a 4th and 2 with over 4 minutes to play on a 50-50 jump ball from 32 yards out was a bad decision.

Like we discussed a high percentage throw to Witten or Beasley to pick up the first down would have helped the Cowboys milk the clock forcing the Packers to burn their TO's. The closer the Cowboys got to the endzone would have brought a fade into play to Dez in the corner of the end zone that would have been very difficult to defend in that situation. As poorly as the Cowboys defense was playing even had Dez' catch not been reversed and the Cowboys pounded the ball in the defense would have never been able to stop Rodgers. Proof of that was on the Packers final drive when all they were looking to do was eat up the clock. They drove from the Cowboys 33 to their 28 and Rodgers able to take a knee with just over 1:40 left in the game.
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romo played a very solid game. I bet that just made you want to scream to admit that much. Now anyone NOT a Romo hater would say romo played a GREAT game and it was our D that was unable to get pressure on the one legged QB who literally sat there in a rocking chair. Once again your hatred of Romo blinds you to reality. Just about any decent QB can cut up a D when under no pressure but somehow you think Rodgers was great = truly pathetic.
 
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KJJ said:
I haven't seen anywhere where the assumption has been made that it was Romo's fault that the Cowboys lost to Green Bay and that it was Wilson's skill level that resulted in Seattle's miracle comeback win over the Packers. The reason Wilson received the praise he did for that playoff win was due to the fact that he was having arguably the worst game of his career but somehow was able to dig deep down inside and make 2 of the best throws you'll ever see in a do or die situation. I've never seen a QB have as miserable a playoff game as Wilson was having and recover just in the nick of time. The throw for the 2 point conversion with just over 2 minutes to play was incredible and Wilson's TD throw in OT couldn't have been placed in the receivers hands anymore perfectly than it was. Not even Roger Staubach ever had as miraculous a comeback as Wilson pulled off in that game. with just over 1:40 left in the game.
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Wow...why do you lie to yourself?

Your words were, parapharsing, "Romo could not even beat a one legged Rodgers."

Swimming backwards, CoCo...
 
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JDSmith said:
The day that I can understand that kind of thinking I'll grow concerned, or I'll just be too stupid to care.
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It's difficult for any rational sound minded individual to understand the thinking that goes on inside the heads of a few who frequent sites like this which is why they act as immature as they do. They're just too stupid to care because it's the internet. This results in many including myself having to compile a list of fools whose stench has become so strong they have to be flushed. It's pretty obvious that some of these malcontents were deprived of oxygen at birth leaving their driveways just short of reaching the road so they take out their frustrations on others who they view as more fortunate. The only connection some of these miserable soles have with the outside world is via a computer monitor and smart phone which makes it fun and convenient for anyone floating around online who's too stupid to care to act like jerks. When I break someone down during a debate leaving them broken, bitter and discouraged with only insults and personal attacks as a line of defense I discard them like trash.

Anyone who can't debate intelligently while maintaining their dignity and composure isn't worthy of my time and quite frankly they become boring to me. I want to engage with those who can challenge me mentally not someone who comes off like they're slumped in front of their monitor like a crash test dummy then decides to go JR High after being hit hard with a few facts. When I have the unpleasant task :D of informing someone whose fuse has become too short for them to engage in a mature, intelligent, sane manner that they will no longer be apart of my discussion list as a courtesy I let them linger for 24 hrs so I can get a good laugh watching them kick, scream and sling insults as they chase me around the board like a jilted woman who's been dumped then I click them off and swagger away allowing the rest of the board to roll their eyes as they continue embarrassing themselves at my expense. :laugh:
 
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Redball Express said:
If he gets respect..it's really the team that has improved overall that allows Romo to be seen as better.
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A lot of times it's the QB's that don't have as much to work with that get the most respect which is one reason Andrew Luck receives so much love. Rodgers gets a lot of respect because he has to do so much for Green Bay to win. In 2011 he led the Packers to a 15-1 record despite having the 32nd ranked defense. Russell Wilson receives little to no respect here because he has a great defense and a stud RB.
 
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CanadianCowboysFan said:
Hell Ryan never wins and never gets ripped either.
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He hasn't helped cost his team a lot of games. In 2012 he played an outstanding game vs SF in the playoffs passing for almost 400 yards and 3 TD's but his defense melted down blowing a big lead.
 
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