You expect me to believe another year of Romo, Witten, Ware, Garrett is supposed to compete w/that?

[CyberB0b]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1138516/1/index.htm

It was more Jones bringing Bandar and his entourage on the field, and Jimmy complaining about it afterward, I believe.

Yeah, I just read that. Good to know that he's always been insane.

 

[daveferr33]

Haha and why is he not qualified to be one?

Obviously we can argue over what qualifications a GM needs to have. But if I were an owner and knew very little about the GM position, the first thing I would do is study the resumes of successful GMs around the league.

Very quickly I would learn that the first (very first) qualification for being a successful GM is to have experience scouting NFL talent.

For example:

Kevin Colbert, GM for Pittsburgh:

• hired by the Miami Dolphins as a college scout from 1985-1989.
• joined the Detroit Lions as the Pro Scouting Director in 1990
• joined the Pittsburgh Steelers in 2000 as the Director of Football Operations
• In 2010, Colbert was named the Steelers' first ever general manager

How about John Schneider from the Seahawks:

• He started working in the Scouting Department for the Green Bay Packers in 1993.
• He was the Director of Pro Personnel for the Chiefs from 1997 - 2000.
• He worked for the Seahawks in 2000 under Ted Thompson.
• In 2001, Schneider became the Vice President of Player Personnel.
• Schneider went back to the Green Bay Packers as the top personnel aide to the Packers' GM. He then elevated to Director of Football Operations.

I could go on and on. Ted Thompson, in fact, still does his own scouting.

Look, I think its great that Jerry listens to advisers. But that is no replacement from first hand knowledge of the talent one is acquiring.

For that simple reason, I don't believe Jerry is qualified as a GM.

 

[birdwells1]

Haha and why is he not qualified to be one?

Neither Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, nor Jason Garrett have come up through the ranks.............ah shoot, just read my sig.

 

[CyberB0b]

Obviously we can argue over what qualifications a GM needs to have. But if I were an owner and knew very little about the GM position, the first thing I would do is study the resumes of successful GMs around the league.

Very quickly I would learn that the first (very first) qualification for being a successful GM is to have experience scouting NFL talent.

For example:

Kevin Colbert, GM for Pittsburgh:

• hired by the Miami Dolphins as a college scout from 1985-1989.
• joined the Detroit Lions as the Pro Scouting Director in 1990
• joined the Pittsburgh Steelers in 2000 as the Director of Football Operations
• In 2010, Colbert was named the Steelers' first ever general manager

How about John Schneider from the Seahawks:

• He started working in the Scouting Department for the Green Bay Packers in 1993.
• He was the Director of Pro Personnel for the Chiefs from 1997 - 2000.
• He worked for the Seahawks in 2000 under Ted Thompson.
• In 2001, Schneider became the Vice President of Player Personnel.
• Schneider went back to the Green Bay Packers as the top personnel aide to the Packers' GM. He then elevated to Director of Football Operations.

I could go on and on. Ted Thompson, in fact, still does his own scouting.

Look, I think its great that Jerry listens to advisers. But that is no replacement from first hand knowledge of the talent one is acquiring.

For that simple reason, I don't believe Jerry is qualified as a GM.

Even if all of that weren't true (which it is), Jerry is essentially a part time GM. He is busy doing Papa John's commercials and involved in other businesses. That would be fine if were just the owner, but he is the the owner, GM, and president.

 

[17yearsandcounting]

Next seasons schedule is brutal. Play time is over for Ginger and the castaways. It is going to take a near miracle to get to 8-8.

 

[birdwells1]

Even if all of that weren't true (which it is), Jerry is essentially a part time GM. He is busy doing Papa John's commercials and involved in other businesses. That would be fine if were just the owner, but he is the the owner, GM, and president.

What about his appearances on The League and Entourage, good thing it ended or he'd be on for another season. Man I forgot, I think that they're trying to shoot an Entourage movie JJ will try to get him some of that.

 

[daveferr33]

Neither Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, nor Jason Garrett have come up through the ranks.............ah shoot, just read my sig.

Its actually a real shame about Stephen Jones. His father bought the team when he was only 23. As a result, he could have easily obtained a low level scouting position, worked his way up, and really learneded the first step in becoming a successful NFL executive. A real missed opportunity.

 

[CyberB0b]

Its actually a real shame about Stephen Jones. His father bought the team when he was only 23. As a result, he could have easily obtained a low level scouting position, worked his way up, and really learneded the first step in becoming a successful NFL executive. A real missed opportunity.

You would think a guy who has spent a majority of his adult life in a football organization would be a little better at it, but when you have 100% job security all the time, I guess it's easy to go Tommy Boy.

 

[Nav22]

Its actually a real shame about Stephen Jones. His father bought the team when he was only 23. As a result, he could have easily obtained a low level scouting position, worked his way up, and really learneded the first step in becoming a successful NFL executive. A real missed opportunity.

You would think a guy who has spent a majority of his adult life in a football organization would be a little better at it, but when you have 100% job security all the time, I guess it's easy to go Tommy Boy.

Just like with much of the criticisms of Jerry, I have no idea why either of you are so convinced that Stephen is some Tommy Boy who hasn't learned a thing as he's bumbled around Daddy's workplace for the last 25 years. He's obviously learned plenty in his time here as he now does all the contracts.

Other than the miniscule information you can glean from press conferences/interviews, you guys have zero insight as to what Stephen's role is behind closed doors.

If I'm wrong, PLEASE enlighten me. How do you know that Stephen is this inept bumpkin who hasn't learned a thing in his time here?

 

[Nav22]

Obviously we can argue over what qualifications a GM needs to have. But if I were an owner and knew very little about the GM position, the first thing I would do is study the resumes of successful GMs around the league.

Very quickly I would learn that the first (very first) qualification for being a successful GM is to have experience scouting NFL talent.

For example:

Kevin Colbert, GM for Pittsburgh:

• hired by the Miami Dolphins as a college scout from 1985-1989.
• joined the Detroit Lions as the Pro Scouting Director in 1990
• joined the Pittsburgh Steelers in 2000 as the Director of Football Operations
• In 2010, Colbert was named the Steelers' first ever general manager

How about John Schneider from the Seahawks:

• He started working in the Scouting Department for the Green Bay Packers in 1993.
• He was the Director of Pro Personnel for the Chiefs from 1997 - 2000.
• He worked for the Seahawks in 2000 under Ted Thompson.
• In 2001, Schneider became the Vice President of Player Personnel.
• Schneider went back to the Green Bay Packers as the top personnel aide to the Packers' GM. He then elevated to Director of Football Operations.

I could go on and on. Ted Thompson, in fact, still does his own scouting.

Look, I think its great that Jerry listens to advisers. But that is no replacement from first hand knowledge of the talent one is acquiring.

For that simple reason, I don't believe Jerry is qualified as a GM.

That's fair, but I could point out plenty of GMs who have been successful without a scouting background too. John Elway comes to mind.

And like you alluded to, it's not like Jerry is solely responsible for scouting/drafting. He hires others to do that and I honestly believe he lets them do their jobs. Jerry's no dummy... he's not paying people to sit around and do nothing. They're on the payroll for a reason.

Now, will he let these guys put their face out there and take credit? Nah, Jerry can handle that part.

 

[CyberB0b]

If I'm wrong, PLEASE enlighten me. How do you know that Stephen is this inept bumpkin who hasn't learned a thing in his time here?

Well, he is the director of player personnel, for one.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/staff/stephen-jones/4f600a24-07ae-44a7-b8ea-2d349c12f202

This is the highlight of his work, from the DC website:

Jones was the key negotiator in the work that brought All-Pro wide receiver Terrell Owens to the Cowboys in March of 2006. He also took the lead in negotiating the contracts for other recent free agents such as offensive linemen Leonard Davis and Kyle Kosier and safety Ken Hamlin.

Over a one week span in the spring of 2005, Jones was instrumental in the distribution of $30 million in signing bonus money to quarterback Drew Bledsoe, defensive tackle Jason Ferguson, cornerback Anthony Henry and guard Marco Rivera. The signing of Ferguson, Henry and Rivera all took place in one day, March 3, the biggest signing day in club history.

Sorry if I am not impressed.

 

[birdwells1]

Just like with much of the criticisms of Jerry, I have no idea why either of you are so convinced that Stephen is some Tommy Boy who hasn't learned a thing as he's bumbled around Daddy's workplace for the last 25 years. He's obviously learned plenty in his time here as he now does all the contracts.

Other than the miniscule information you can glean from press conferences/interviews, you guys have zero insight as to what Stephen's role is behind closed doors.

If I'm wrong, PLEASE enlighten me. How do you know that Stephen is this inept bumpkin who hasn't learned a thing in his time here?

Who has Stephen learned under?

 

[followthestar]

All the Cowboys lack is desire. Even without it we coulda shoulda been a playoff team. The right coaches and a healthy season and we get on a little roll and yeah we could beat the Seahawks if they're having just an average game. Let the Hawks play Denver 5 times, and the Broncos will probably win more than one of those games, IMO. They ran into a buzzsaw, but they are both great teams. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Nav22]

Who has Stephen learned under?

Yeah, a guy who's worked in the front office of an NFL team for 25 years (and 3 Super Bowl titles) couldn't possibly have learned anything from anyone. That's totally reasonable.

Well, he is the director of player personnel, for one.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/staff/stephen-jones/4f600a24-07ae-44a7-b8ea-2d349c12f202

This is the highlight of his work, from the DC website:



Sorry if I am not impressed.

Um, obviously that bio was written years ago and needs updating. But I'll indulge you. T.O. was a Pro Bowler. Same with Leonard Davis. Kosier and Hamlin were decent starters. Ferguson was a solid NT who Parcells wanted. Henry was a solid CB. Bledsoe was an upgrade over Testaverde in the pre-Romo days. And Rivera looked to be a great signing until he hurt his back running on a treadmill.

Doesn't matter if you're impressed or not, Stephen did a nice job getting those guys under contract and the proof was in the pudding. 13-3 record in 2007 with 12 Pro Bowlers. He clearly played a major role in building an impressive roster.

 

[Nav22]

I agree; on paper you would be hard pressed to find a GM more qualified and experienced than Jerry.

But I've never been a defender of GM Jerry. Jerry owner? yes

My issue is that just because he is very experienced at being GM..and he really does actually have a football background...does not at all mean he is good at it.
Pretty much all GMs would have been fired by now if they had Jerry results over the last one and a half decades.

There's plenty of credit that should've gone around for the roster we had in 2007. But I've never seen Jerry or Stephen get any. Why? Because Jerry/Stephen will NEVER get credit from fans who already have their minds made up about them. It's pretty hilarious.

We're not some cellar-dwelling team that has no talent. We're an average team that's been hit HARD by injuries as of late. But our team is talented enough that a healthy year could get us to the playoffs. Frederick, Dez and Tyron Smith were awesome 1st round picks (Claiborne not so much, so far). I just don't see the terrible job Jerry's supposedly done lately.

Now, if you want to bring up ancient history, you could complain about 1997-2002. But again, if you're going to do that, give him credit for the roster we assembled at the start of the Romo era.

Oh, and DeMarcus Ware? He wouldn't be a Cowboy if it wasn't for Jerry overruling Parcells. But Jerry's haters would rather eat poison than give him props for that.

 

[CyberB0b]

Doesn't matter if you're impressed or not, Stephen did a nice job getting those guys under contract and the proof was in the pudding. 13-3 record in 2007 with 12 Pro Bowlers. He clearly played a major role in building an impressive roster.

How did that same squad do in 2008 and beyond? They were proven to be frauds. People keep saying we are devoid of talent. Well, guess who is in charge of acquiring that talent? There is 0 accountability in this organization for anyone named Jones.

 

[Alexander]

How do you know that Stephen is this inept bumpkin who hasn't learned a thing in his time here?

http://overthecap.com/feb-3-nfl-salary-cap-space-update/

 

[Alexander]

Oh, and DeMarcus Ware? He wouldn't be a Cowboy if it wasn't for Jerry overruling Parcells. But Jerry's haters would rather eat poison than give him props for that.

And despite this pick of the century, we have nothing to show for it thanks to his countless failures which have wasted the prime years of a Hall of Fame career. Bravo, Jerry.

 

[Alexander]

Um, obviously that bio was written years ago and needs updating. But I'll indulge you. T.O. was a Pro Bowler. Same with Leonard Davis. Kosier and Hamlin were decent starters. Ferguson was a solid NT who Parcells wanted. Henry was a solid CB. Bledsoe was an upgrade over Testaverde in the pre-Romo days. And Rivera looked to be a great signing until he hurt his back running on a treadmill.

If I were you, I would have probably avoided even discussing that bio and buried it since it illustrates why he is hardly the "cap genius" when it comes to these players in particular.

We paid nearly $ 25 million in dead money to Owens, Davis and especially Hamlin when it was obvious to cut them because they could not play any longer. We gave Ferguson away along with Fasano to dump the money in his contract. But golly gee, we really all need to give Stephen more credit.

 

[birdwells1]

http://overthecap.com/feb-3-nfl-salary-cap-space-update/

Wow, he's a real capologist.lol