You expect me to believe another year of Romo, Witten, Ware, Garrett is supposed to compete w/that?

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Until the Cowboys defense finds some goons, there will be dark days boss. This defense lack a couple MEN. And when I say men, I mean mean SOBs that want to tackle with bad intention and under normal circumstances you'd avoid being around because they appear to be bipolar. They like hurting people and being physical. Who are our MEN on defense? We have too many finesse dudes on defense that don't enjoy the physical nature of the game. They're too worried about being marketable.

Ratliff used to be that goon along with Columbo on offense, but Jerry found a way to take the passion to destroy from Ratliff. I want a couple more players like Ratliff used to be. I can't think of one guy on defense that would that I like to be in a foxhole with me if something popped off. Not one. Lee, no! He's respected for his savviness, playmaking with a nice physicality to his game but I don't think people fear meeting him in the hole. We just don't have any enforcers on defense and that's sad!

Let's pray that jerry drafts or signs some goons that will toughen these boys up!

I see what you are saying and I agree.

Chuck Howley, Lee Roy Jordan, Randy White, Cliff Harris, Bob Lilly, Ken Norton, ... all ATTEMPTED and WANTED to take your head off.

That is lacking.
 

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Another point to illustrate where this franchise is in comparison.

We still claimed "moral victory" against Denver, who basically got their heads handed to them.

You never capture my good side, dang it!!!!
 

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Seattle won't always be the defensive juggernaut that they are now. Success always takes its toll on the best teams in time. Players will start demanding more and be traded or cut and their coaches will be seduced to depart by other teams. It happens to the best of 'em. It may take a while but NFL success is never perpetual. The league has gone to great leanths to assure that.
 

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He did not dare do it because Johnson had control of the staff and personnel in his contract.

Ever see Jones make Johnson fire a coach? How about hire his offensive coordinator before he even got hired himself?

The head coach under this structure, no matter who it is, will always have the avenue for Jones to step in where he sees fit. Even Parcells could not control who was brought onto the roster. He could suggest, Jerry would "listen". But there are more than a few examples of players who were brought on board that Parcells, if he had his way, would not have on the football team. That was possible because the contract said it was. Jason Garrett is no different, not by a long shot.

Jerry tried to meddle once by bring the Shah of some country into the locker room. I think Jimmy locked him out next time, though I might be getting my stories crossed.
 

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Jerry tried to meddle once by bring the Shah of some country into the locker room. I think Jimmy locked him out next time, though I might be getting my stories crossed.

It was a Saudi Prince, and, yeah, Jimmy had a fit. :)
 

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He did not dare do it because Johnson had control of the staff and personnel in his contract.

Ever see Jones make Johnson fire a coach? How about hire his offensive coordinator before he even got hired himself?

The head coach under this structure, no matter who it is, will always have the avenue for Jones to step in where he sees fit. Even Parcells could not control who was brought onto the roster. He could suggest, Jerry would "listen". But there are more than a few examples of players who were brought on board that Parcells, if he had his way, would not have on the football team. That was possible because the contract said it was. Jason Garrett is no different, not by a long shot.

Right, Jerry is still the GM under the current structure. I guess I'm just unsure why everybody has such a beef with our GM being a GM. I mean, I KNOW why... he's the easiest target.
 

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Jerry tried to meddle once by bring the Shah of some country into the locker room. I think Jimmy locked him out next time, though I might be getting my stories crossed.

Guess it depends on your definition of "meddle". Jerry allowed Jimmy to build the roster and I've never heard anything to the contrary. To me (and to Jimmy), that means he wasn't "meddling".
 

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Jerry insisting on being GM (when he is not qualified to be one) is overstepping his boundaries as Owner. That's the complaint. Not that he oversteps as GM, but by being GM he is overstepping.

Haha and why is he not qualified to be one?

This is what really gets me. Jerry won a national championship as a college player. He's spent the last 25 years of his life owning an NFL team. For about 20 years he's also been the GM.

How many GMs in the league have a longer resume than this? I don't see how anyone could say he's "not qualified". You might not love the job he's doing but he's certainly qualified to be a GM.

Here's the funny part to me: for YEARS we used to hear that the Cowboys are LOADED with talent but were underachieving. Remember all those Pro Bowlers we had in 2007? Someone should've gotten credit for that... but nobody did because it was Jerry who built that roster. But once we fell off and age/injuries caught up to us? JERRY'S FAULT! JERRY'S THE PROBLEM!

The GM can only build the roster. He isn't responsible for what happens after that. And by and standard, we had a pretty darn good roster for awhile there. We've been rebuilding under Garrett and Jerry HAS let Garrett "buy some of the groceries". But alas, it's Jerry Freaking Jones, the guy who does all the interviews and puts his face-lifted face out there all the time, so he's the easy target.

Hell, NOT ONLY has Jerry allowed Garrett to bring in his kind of guys, Jerry doesn't even do contracts anymore! That's all Stephen. But I still read stuff like "another horrible contract by Jerry!"

Jerry wants attention/credit but he's not this authoritarian owner/GM like many want to believe. People would rather blame the easy target than actually look at the picture objectively and ask, "how much is Jerry REALLY responsible for behind-the-scenes?"
 

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So Jerry is not doing socks to jocks any more?

Is that you Jerry?
 

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Well, I do agree with your premise, but in a couple years, when we might actually field a talented and deep team, Seattle won't be able to afford half the talent they have. They have done it the right way and it got them a Superbowl so I applaud them. I think they are on the build up/tear down/rebuild model though.

And Dallas can't afford to build anything except another Victoria Secrets at Jerry's World.
 

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Jerry tried to meddle once by bring the Shah of some country into the locker room. I think Jimmy locked him out next time, though I might be getting my stories crossed.

I never heard that before. ***?
 

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Haha and why is he not qualified to be one?

This is what really gets me. Jerry won a national championship as a college player. He's spent the last 25 years of his life owning an NFL team. For about 20 years he's also been the GM.

How many GMs in the league have a longer resume than this? I don't see how anyone could say he's "not qualified". You might not love the job he's doing but he's certainly qualified to be a GM.

Here's the funny part to me: for YEARS we used to hear that the Cowboys are LOADED with talent but were underachieving. Remember all those Pro Bowlers we had in 2007? Someone should've gotten credit for that... but nobody did because it was Jerry who built that roster. But once we fell off and age/injuries caught up to us? JERRY'S FAULT! JERRY'S THE PROBLEM!

The GM can only build the roster. He isn't responsible for what happens after that. And by and standard, we had a pretty darn good roster for awhile there. We've been rebuilding under Garrett and Jerry HAS let Garrett "buy some of the groceries". But alas, it's Jerry Freaking Jones, the guy who does all the interviews and puts his face-lifted face out there all the time, so he's the easy target.
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I agree; on paper you would be hard pressed to find a GM more qualified and experienced than Jerry.

But I've never been a defender of GM Jerry. Jerry owner? yes

My issue is that just because he is very experienced at being GM..and he really does actually have a football background...does not at all mean he is good at it.
Pretty much all GMs would have been fired by now if they had Jerry results over the last one and a half decades.
 
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