You guys ready to revisit this past trade deadline?

[Zordon]

They didn't do anything to help beat the big elephant in the room (49ers).

 

[CCBoy]

Is it too early? Premature? Or should we let things play out some more?

So a lot of fans were upset the Cowboys didn't make any moves this trade deadline.....and praised our "rivals" for making moves because it shows they "want" to win. I asked at the time why trade future compensation just for a trade that won't work? These deals rarely work. You fix weaknesses in the offseason not deadline. A lot of people combatted that comment with "Oh but the 9ers traded for McCaffery".....the 9ers built on a strength. Their run game wasn't weak before they got CMac so completely different situations. But anyway, let's see how these moves are looking thus far...



Lions traded for DPJ from Cleveland.......ehhh.


49ers traded for Chase Young...thus far i'd probably say this is a incomplete. Hasn't been bad probably more good but was better with the Commanders.


Vikings traded for Josh Dobbs...I mean this was a great trade. They are starting to tail off some but Dobbs to just come right in and learn that system and string off some wins...gotta give credit where its due.


Seahawks traded for Leonard Williams...yeah I like the guy as a free agent pick up but for a 2nd rounder and a 5th?


Eagles get Kevin Byard...the move that sparked so much criticism on this site...come to find out Titans knew what they were doing and he's a shell of his former self. Just like the rest of that secondary.


Chiefs bring Mecole Hardman back....nope


Falcons traded for Van Jefferson....


Dolphins traded for Claypool....NOTHING.


49ers get Randy Gregory....they didn't give up much. Had a nice sack yesterday. Pretty much regulated to just a pass rushing specialist now.


Cam Akers to Minnesota....




I say this to say that sometimes not making a move is the right move. When LVE got hurt....it forced our guys to step up now we feel a bit better about guys like Bell and Clark and they're playing the best football of their young careers. Didn't trade for a running back and we're getting more out of Pollard and Dowdle. This team knows its personnel. Maybe this organization didn't make a trade because they TRULY "like their guys"?

I am appreciating the two veterans they signed during the off season. Both have been leaders and both have produced: Cooks and Gilmore. Don't call Gilmore old!

 

[CCBoy]

They didn't do anything to help beat the big elephant in the room (49ers).

Why, you a coward?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I am appreciating the two veterans they signed during the off season. Both have been leaders and both have produced: Cooks and Gilmore. Don't call Gilmore old!

Love the Gilmore and Cooks trades.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

They didn't do anything to help beat the big elephant in the room (49ers).

There was nothing they can trade for to help them. They got the weapons now. There's one person that can help beat the big elephant in the room and that's Dak. Dak not having the worst games of his career against them. Dak is in a zone and I Think he's more prepared to play them now then he was a few months ago.

 

[CTcowboy203]

Who Surtain? Surtain was never available. Unless you're talking about the Bears corner Jaylon Johnson it seemed like that was heating up.

But I mean my point isn't too early. There was no trade that was going ot make us better for this season. It just doesn't happen. I used those other teams just to back my claim up. Teams do this and it just never works out. I just don't think its possible to just throw a guy in there and just fix a hole without a training camp. People can bring up the one or two times its happened in the past 30 years but its just rare.

Don’t ask a question in your post if you plan on speaking on something with certainty….rename the post to “the cowboys were right at the deadline to stand pat”. You asked a question myself and others gave answers. We don’t know how things will play out yet….what if chase young has a dominant playoff stretch? What if byard makes key stops for Philly in the post season?

All these things are still possible- so yes, you are being extremely premature while also discounting the fact that the niners are the biggest threat in football and likely the number 1 seed in the nfc so it’s hard to say the chase deal hasn’t worked either since he’s a part of a very good unit and team, if anything it’s an “incomplete” grade.

Ultimately both things can be true- the cowboys were right to stand pat and the niners and other teams made good deals. It’s also a bit rich of you or me or anyone to claim with such conviction “there was no deals that could have made us better” this season when we don’t actually know what deals were or weren’t available.

Way too early.

 

[Zordon]

There was nothing they can trade for to help them.

How do you know this?

 

[Zordon]

Why, you a coward?

Weird comment....

 

[CCBoy]

Weird comment....

 

[gimmesix]

49ers traded for Chase Young...thus far i'd probably say this is a incomplete. Hasn't been bad probably more good but was better with the Commanders.

The 49ers have not lost since trading for Young. They were averaging 2.3 sacks before the trade. Since the trade, they have had 5, 4, 6, 3 and 4. Sometimes if your team is on the cusp, one move can make the difference. Not saying that Young (or Gregory) is responsible for the 49ers' defensive improvement, but to say we shouldn't trade because most trades don't work out is like saying we shouldn't have acquired Haley back in the 1990s. You should always be looking to improve your team, but there are a lot of factors to consider in making a move.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The 49ers have not lost since trading for Young. They were averaging 2.3 sacks before the trade. Since the trade, they have had 5, 4, 6, 3 and 4. Sometimes if your team is on the cusp, one move can make the difference. Not saying that Young (or Gregory) is responsible for the 49ers' defensive improvement, but to say we shouldn't trade because most trades don't work out is like saying we shouldn't have acquired Haley back in the 1990s. You should always be looking to improve your team, but there are a lot of factors to consider in making a move.

The 49ers haven't lost since trading for Young but i'm not giving him sole credit for that. They did not trade for Haley at the trade deadline it was prior to the season.

And you are misunderstanding me. I did not say don't trade. I'm saying mid season trades typically don't work. Now if you want to trade for someone mid season for a long term deal? Fair. But a one year rental has proven not to work.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

How do you know this?

Well what do you think we needed? A DT right? Linebacker? RB? How many of those positions were traded for?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Don’t ask a question in your post if you plan on speaking on something with certainty….rename the post to “the cowboys were right at the deadline to stand pat”. You asked a question myself and others gave answers. We don’t know how things will play out yet….what if chase young has a dominant playoff stretch? What if byard makes key stops for Philly in the post season?

All these things are still possible- so yes, you are being extremely premature while also discounting the fact that the niners are the biggest threat in football and likely the number 1 seed in the nfc so it’s hard to say the chase deal hasn’t worked either since he’s a part of a very good unit and team, if anything it’s an “incomplete” grade.

Ultimately both things can be true- the cowboys were right to stand pat and the niners and other teams made good deals. It’s also a bit rich of you or me or anyone to claim with such conviction “there was no deals that could have made us better” this season when we don’t actually know what deals were or weren’t available.

Way too early.

Like I said, I brought up those other teams to show the grass isn't necessarily greener on the other side. I didn't bring those guys up to show that we should've or shouldn't have traded for those guys. We didn't need Byard, we didn't need Chase Young, we didn't need any of these guys. None of them could start for us.

This team didn't make moves because they like their guys. Its too early to say if these moves are failures that's not my point. My point is this team simply got better standing pat. And no one agreed with it.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Well in Bears defense they already re-signed Sweat didn't they? I thought I read that.

And that's another thing. Our weaknesses wasn't really available. I still would've liked Henry but I honestly don't think he was available.

They did, but close to 25m per and 62 guaranteed. Thats alot for a player of his caliber.

I dont think Henry was either. Makes since they would want him to give Levis some stacked lines. Akers was the only back that moved. Watching Dowdle get more touches, I dont think Akers is better. Damien Harris would have been a nice cheap add, but Buffalo wasnt moving him

 

[gimmesix]

The 49ers haven't lost since trading for Young but i'm not giving him sole credit for that. They did not trade for Haley at the trade deadline it was prior to the season.

And you are misunderstanding me. I did not say don't trade. I'm saying mid season trades typically don't work. Now if you want to trade for someone mid season for a long term deal? Fair. But a one year rental has proven not to work.

I think you always look for opportunities. I think the McCaffrey trade is a good example from last year. I know you kind of dismissed that one, maybe because it doesn't fit the narrative, but that has turned out to be a major midseason acquisition for San Fran.

Just because you trade for a player with one year left on his deal doesn't mean you can't re-sign him. Part of the reason to bring the player in is to see how he fits and if he improves the team. If he does, then he becomes one of our free agents, which the Joneses have shown they will re-sign, instead of an outside free agent, which the Joneses have shown they won't spend much money on.

I'm not giving Young sole credit for the 49ers' winning streak, either, but they were reeling with three straight losses and tried to do something about that. I'll never knock that.

Our running game has not been anything special this year. If we had a chance to try to improve that and chose to do nothing before the trade deadline, then I can't say I'm a fan of that. Maybe the attempt would have been a swing and a miss, but at least we could say that we tried rather than just expecting it to get better on its own.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Yeah seemed like not many wanted Roquan even Bears didn't want to give him big money I don't remember what he went for though. He's having a solid year though.

2nd and a 5th

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

They did, but close to 25m per and 62 guaranteed. Thats alot for a player of his caliber.

I dont think Henry was either. Makes since they would want him to give Levis some stacked lines. Akers was the only back that moved. Watching Dowdle get more touches, I dont think Akers is better. Damien Harris would have been a nice cheap add, but Buffalo wasnt moving him

Yeah i'm fine with Dowdle. Henry would've made things interesting. Not only in the field but in the locker room with his toughness. But yeah if he's not available nothing you can do.

 

[gimmesix]

Like I said, I brought up those other teams to show the grass isn't necessarily greener on the other side. I didn't bring those guys up to show that we should've or shouldn't have traded for those guys. We didn't need Byard, we didn't need Chase Young, we didn't need any of these guys. None of them could start for us.

This team didn't make moves because they like their guys. Its too early to say if these moves are failures that's not my point. My point is this team simply got better standing pat. And no one agreed with it.

I absolutely do not agree with this. The team did not get better by standing pat. It's just a good team. Will moves it could have made cause it to ultimately fall short? We have no idea. The shortcomings in the running game continued to be an issue IMO. Neither of our backs were consistently effective last night. Both averaged fewer than 4 yards per carry.

Was there a back we could have acquired if we tried? I have no idea. Did we try? I have no idea.

 

[FaSho]

Our team was built through the draft, so I can't fault them for not wanting to give up draft capital.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I think you always look for opportunities. I think the McCaffrey trade is a good example from last year. I know you kind of dismissed that one, maybe because it doesn't fit the narrative, but that has turned out to be a major midseason acquisition for San Fran.

Just because you trade for a player with one year left on his deal doesn't mean you can't re-sign him. Part of the reason to bring the player in is to see how he fits and if he improves the team. If he does, then he becomes one of our free agents, which the Joneses have shown they will re-sign, instead of an outside free agent, which the Joneses have shown they won't spend much money on.

I'm not giving Young sole credit for the 49ers' winning streak, either, but they were reeling with three straight losses and tried to do something about that. I'll never knock that.

Our running game has not been anything special this year. If we had a chance to try to improve that and chose to do nothing before the trade deadline, then I can't say I'm a fan of that. Maybe the attempt would have been a swing and a miss, but at least we could say that we tried rather than just expecting it to get better on its own.

Well yeah you look for opportunities.......the Cowboys did to my knowledge..they fielded calls and made calls. Nothing happened.

I did not dismiss the CMac. The CMac trade does not fit what I said. I said you can't improve a weakness at the deadline. The 49ers always could run the football. It was never a weakness.

The 49ers were losing because of their offense not the defense. And a big part of that is because Trent Williams and Deebo were injured. And i'm not knocking the 49ers for it lol. They have a 900,000 dollar a year QB..they can afford to be aggressive and make moves like this. The Cowboys have to be much smarter with their draft picks.

I don't recall any running backs being available that were better than Pollard.