You guys ready to revisit this past trade deadline?

[TheMarathonContinues]

Our team was built through the draft, so I can't fault them for not wanting to give up draft capital.

Yep. And let's be mindful when you have a highly paid QB and highly paid players like Lamb and Parsons will be you need those draft picks to build around them.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Who Surtain? Surtain was never available. Unless you're talking about the Bears corner Jaylon Johnson it seemed like that was heating up.

But I mean my point isn't too early. There was no trade that was going ot make us better for this season. It just doesn't happen. I used those other teams just to back my claim up. Teams do this and it just never works out. I just don't think its possible to just throw a guy in there and just fix a hole without a training camp. People can bring up the one or two times its happened in the past 30 years but its just rare.

I was very interested in Johnson as long as 1) it wasnt for a 1st 2) you can lock him up. Yes its alot of money tied into CB, but when Diggs returns you are overwhelmingly good and Bland is cheap for two more year. At some you are cutting Johnson or Diggs, but that move would really amplify a 2/3 year window

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I absolutely do not agree with this. The team did not get better by standing pat. It's just a good team. Will moves it could have made cause it to ultimately fall short? We have no idea. The shortcomings in the running game continued to be an issue IMO. Neither of our backs were consistently effective last night. Both averaged fewer than 4 yards per carry.

Was there a back we could have acquired if we tried? I have no idea. Did we try? I have no idea.

I'm referencing our holes though. I mean you can say we had holes at running back but they were not trading for a running back better than Pollard. Wasn't one available.

We all agree for the most part we were concerned with linebacker and DT. Hanksins has played some of his best ball of the year since the deadline and Clark and Bell have been great as well. And there were "rumors" they wanted Ertz? Ferg has also played good football.

So that's why I make the claim standing pat is better than trading for a LB or DT or TE. Maybe CB? Trade for a outside corner to move Bland back to nickel?

 

[VaqueroTD]

Cowboys trade for Henry.

• Offense even more unstoppable.
• Pollard suddenly breaking off long ones in limited duty like he did with Zeke.
• O-Line looks better and stronger.
• Not relying on Rico as much who appears to be fragile.
• Teams who are already getting bullied wondering what hit them after our 250 lbs RB runs down their throat.
• Passing game becomes that much better. Defense gets that much more rest.

We're just screwed next year when both Henry and Pollard are FAs. LOL

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I was very interested in Johnson as long as 1) it wasnt for a 1st 2) you can lock him up. Yes its alot of money tied into CB, but when Diggs returns you are overwhelmingly good and Bland is cheap for two more year. At some you are cutting Johnson or Diggs, but that move would really amplify a 2/3 year window

Yeah I think the issue with Johnson was he might've been a rental. I would've been for that for the right price but I think they wanted at least a 2nd rounder or something like that. Corner is a need this year because Diggs is out. But not that much of a need.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Cowboys trade for Henry.

• Offense even more unstoppable.
• Pollard suddenly breaking off long ones in limited duty like he did with Zeke.
• O-Line looks better and stronger.
• Not relying on Rico as much who appears to be fragile.
• Teams who are already getting bullied wondering what hit them after our 250 lbs RB runs down their throat.
• Passing game becomes that much better. Defense gets that much more rest.

We're just screwed next year when both Henry and Pollard are FAs. LOL

Aye i'm team Saquon but man Saquon, Pollard, Henry......we are going to have our choice of any back we want next year. Also a good reason not to trade for Henry.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Yeah I think the issue with Johnson was he might've been a rental. I would've been for that for the right price but I think they wanted at least a 2nd rounder or something like that. Corner is a need this year because Diggs is out. But not that much of a need.

Ya, what we have on hand is definitely good enough to make a deep run. Especially with our DL.

 

[gimmesix]

I'm referencing our holes though. I mean you can say we had holes at running back but they were not trading for a running back better than Pollard. Wasn't one available.

We all agree for the most part we were concerned with linebacker and DT. Hanksins has played some of his best ball of the year since the deadline and Clark and Bell have been great as well. And there were "rumors" they wanted Ertz? Ferg has also played good football.

So that's why I make the claim standing pat is better than trading for a LB or DT or TE. Maybe CB? Trade for a outside corner to move Bland back to nickel?

I don't think we know if one was available. Just because there were no takers does not mean teams were unwilling to trade.

As far as the other positions go, I wasn't interested in any of those. I felt running back was the one position where we might could have seen an impact. Jerry Jones didn't say there were no RBs available; he said he wasn't interested in trading for one. “I like our running backs,” Jones said. “I don’t want to dismiss anything but that is not a pointed position of need. At all. Not on the radar.”

 

[visionary]

Depends on what you are trying to accomplish as a team this year. Are you competing for a SB or building for future.

If youre competing for a SB you have to be aggressive right now. This league is very year to year so you may not be back at this position next year. Secondly, how often is it that you have all the pieces in place and are good enough that what you need is a really good (not top) RB to get to the promised land. IMO, if we have a better RB we dont lose to first game to Philly and are sitting as the 1 seed.

So, IMO, we failed at the trade deadline by not getting a really good RB. I hope it wont come back to bite us in the playoffs

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don't think we know if one was available. Just because there were no takers does not mean teams were unwilling to trade.

As far as the other positions go, I wasn't interested in any of those. I felt running back was the one position where we might could have seen an impact. Jerry Jones didn't say there were no RBs available; he said he wasn't interested in trading for one. “I like our running backs,” Jones said. “I don’t want to dismiss anything but that is not a pointed position of need. At all. Not on the radar.”

So what running back was available? When teams like the Ravens were RB hungry they didn't get one. The best RB traded was Cam Akers. Unless you believe we should've traded a 1st or 2nd for one?

 

[Zordon]

Well what do you think we needed? A DT right? Linebacker? RB? How many of those positions were traded for?

Bro, you didn't answer my question. A win over Philly does not deserve a reflection on the trade deadline. We already knew we were on par with Philly. That deadline was all about how we fix the 49ers problem. We did nothing to address it.

 

[Zordon]

 

[CTcowboy203]

Like I said, I brought up those other teams to show the grass isn't necessarily greener on the other side. I didn't bring those guys up to show that we should've or shouldn't have traded for those guys. We didn't need Byard, we didn't need Chase Young, we didn't need any of these guys. None of them could start for us.

This team didn't make moves because they like their guys. Its too early to say if these moves are failures that's not my point. My point is this team simply got better standing pat. And no one agreed with it.

We don’t know what deals were or weren’t available so how can we say they got better standing pat without knowing what may have been on the table? The teams gotten better bc the qb has elevated his play (nothing to do with the trade deadline), the qb has gotten more familiar with a new scheme (nothing to do with the trade deadline), MM and BS have added new wrinkles and more motion (nothing to do with the trade deadline) and the defense has continued to be damn good.

You’re making the team improving directly related to standing pat when it’s more related to internal improvements that have nothing to do with the trade deadline

 

[gimmesix]

So what running back was available? When teams like the Ravens were RB hungry they didn't get one. The best RB traded was Cam Akers. Unless you believe we should've traded a 1st or 2nd for one?

Don't know. Just because one wasn't traded doesn't mean one wasn't available. All it means is that no one was willing to pay the price. And that doesn't necessarily mean the price was super high, or that we even checked the price. Let's say that the Titans did check around to see what teams would offer for Henry, but the best offer was a fourth. They then tell Henry he's their guy and they are not interested in trading him. Lots takes place behind the scenes that we never hear about. Maybe there were no backs available for a good price, but the fact that Jones essentially said he wasn't interested tends to make me think we didn't look hard. I'd rather hear Jones say instead of we like our guys that we are always in the market to improve our team. He doesn't have to name a specific position, just let us know that the team is actively looking at all avenues to get better and will act if there's a deal worth doing.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Bro, you didn't answer my question. A win over Philly does not deserve a reflection on the trade deadline. We already knew we were on par with Philly. That deadline was all about how we fix the 49ers problem. We did nothing to address it.

I did answer your question that whole post was dedicated to your question. And we traded for Cooks and Gilmore to get on par with the 9ers.. Nothing at the deadline was gonna change. To me the 9ers and Cowboys are of the same caliber. And the only way to get over that obstacle is for Dak to play better. No way around it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Don't know. Just because one wasn't traded doesn't mean one wasn't available. All it means is that no one was willing to pay the price. And that doesn't necessarily mean the price was super high, or that we even checked the price. Let's say that the Titans did check around to see what teams would offer for Henry, but the best offer was a fourth. They then tell Henry he's their guy and they are not interested in trading him. Lots takes place behind the scenes that we never hear about. Maybe there were no backs available for a good price, but the fact that Jones essentially said he wasn't interested tends to make me think we didn't look hard. I'd rather hear Jones say instead of we like our guys that we are always in the market to improve our team. He doesn't have to name a specific position, just let us know that the team is actively looking at all avenues to get better and will act if there's a deal worth doing.

Does that not mean Henry wasn’t available? So if I’m understanding correctly you believe Henry could’ve been traded for just for a second or a 1st?

 

[CCBoy]

Hey, if one's IQ were raised by 2 points there wouldn't be enough to achieve the level of sedimentary rock...as to filth, don't even go there.

You've NEVER been deployed and have not a clue of dirty!

Keep working at it, ACE!

Smell you later, go ahead give that sweet present to your kids...you belong in a Red Neck parade. By all means, grab your toilet paper and get busy! Didn't know what an elf was or why the color green was used. That means YOU are green.

If you were a regular guy, you might invest a post or two support the Cowboys...but of course, all you recognize is your own attitude. Woooo Hoooo

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Is it too early? Premature? Or should we let things play out some more?

So a lot of fans were upset the Cowboys didn't make any moves this trade deadline.....and praised our "rivals" for making moves because it shows they "want" to win. I asked at the time why trade future compensation just for a trade that won't work? These deals rarely work. You fix weaknesses in the offseason not deadline. A lot of people combatted that comment with "Oh but the 9ers traded for McCaffery".....the 9ers built on a strength. Their run game wasn't weak before they got CMac so completely different situations. But anyway, let's see how these moves are looking thus far...



Lions traded for DPJ from Cleveland.......ehhh.


49ers traded for Chase Young...thus far i'd probably say this is a incomplete. Hasn't been bad probably more good but was better with the Commanders.


Vikings traded for Josh Dobbs...I mean this was a great trade. They are starting to tail off some but Dobbs to just come right in and learn that system and string off some wins...gotta give credit where its due.


Seahawks traded for Leonard Williams...yeah I like the guy as a free agent pick up but for a 2nd rounder and a 5th?


Eagles get Kevin Byard...the move that sparked so much criticism on this site...come to find out Titans knew what they were doing and he's a shell of his former self. Just like the rest of that secondary.


Chiefs bring Mecole Hardman back....nope


Falcons traded for Van Jefferson....


Dolphins traded for Claypool....NOTHING.


49ers get Randy Gregory....they didn't give up much. Had a nice sack yesterday. Pretty much regulated to just a pass rushing specialist now.


Cam Akers to Minnesota....




I say this to say that sometimes not making a move is the right move. When LVE got hurt....it forced our guys to step up now we feel a bit better about guys like Bell and Clark and they're playing the best football of their young careers. Didn't trade for a running back and we're getting more out of Pollard and Dowdle. This team knows its personnel. Maybe this organization didn't make a trade because they TRULY "like their guys"?

It's all about the playoffs, so yeah, way too early,,,

 

[gimmesix]

Does that not mean Henry wasn’t available? So if I’m understanding correctly you believe Henry could’ve been traded for just for a second or a 1st?

I ... don't ... know. It may simply have meant that no one was willing to pay what Tennessee was asking.

We can't assume no players were available because they weren't traded because there are several reasons why a trade doesn't develop. I would have called the Titans and offered them a third-rounder. If they wanted more, I would have offered them a conditional pick the next year (perhaps up to another third depending on playing time/yardage). I see a need and I want to address it, within reason, of course. For all we know, though, maybe Dallas made the Titans such an offer and they wanted even more. We simply don't know if Henry was available or wasn't; only that he wasn't traded.

Your assumption seems to be if they weren't traded, they weren't available. Every year, there are trades that fall through or players who are kept because no one offered enough. Last year, we tried to trade for Brandin Cooks before the trade deadline, the deal fell through and Cooks remained with the Texans.

My problem isn't that we may have been unable to trade for Henry but rather that Jones indicated that he was satisfied with what we have and wasn't interested in looking. I don't think you improve the team with that outlook. Now, there did seem to be some indication that we may have checked into the price for acquiring the Chicago cornerback.

 

[CCBoy]

I ... don't ... know. It may simply have meant that no one was willing to pay what Tennessee was asking.

We can't assume no players were available because they weren't traded because there are several reasons why a trade doesn't develop. I would have called the Titans and offered them a third-rounder. If they wanted more, I would have offered them a conditional pick the next year (perhaps up to another third depending on playing time/yardage). I see a need and I want to address it, within reason, of course. For all we know, though, maybe Dallas made the Titans such an offer and they wanted even more. We simply don't know if Henry was available or wasn't; only that he wasn't traded.

Your assumption seems to be if they weren't traded, they weren't available. Every year, there are trades that fall through or players who are kept because no one offered enough. Last year, we tried to trade for Brandin Cooks before the trade deadline, the deal fell through and Cooks remained with the Texans.

My problem isn't that we may have been unable to trade for Henry but rather that Jones indicated that he was satisfied with what we have and wasn't interested in looking. I don't think you improve the team with that outlook. Now, there did seem to be some indication that we may have checked into the price for acquiring the Chicago cornerback.

Just tell him you want fresher and now much better legs...