You know, everything really does point to LVE

[Rayman70]

I KNOW WHAT HE LOOKS LIKE AGAINST Oregon and Wyoming..especially when hes not blocked. Whats he going to be when hes playin in the NFC east? Hmmm...

 

[Hayseed]

Ok, thats ridiculous. Ellis had ONE double digit sack season in his 12 year career. Bosa is 2 for 2 and already has a pro bowl selection. Ellis made one pro bowl his entire career.

I know its ridiculous. I pointed it out in all the pre draft discussions back then too. Just saying,.... the LVE stuff has kind of a Bosa FEEL to it again. Lots of people talking negative about the player without good reason. Should be fun to sit back and see the results. IMO it ends up much like the Bosa situation. A whole bunch of people with a whole lot of egg on their face...LOL

 

[LittleD]

I would hope the team that made the bobby carpenter mistake would have learned something about identifying and weeding out such players.

After Marrinelli's choices last year, I don't think he's that adept at picking quality players any longer. He just likes couch potatoes.

 

[LittleD]

I would hope the team that made the bobby carpenter mistake would have learned something about identifying and weeding out such players.

Me too but, Alas it doesn't look like it.

 

[Sarge]

Cant remember anyone not being happy with the Zach Martin Pick

There were PLENTY of people not happy w/that pick.

 

[speedkilz88]

I know they like LVE and I agree with you that they should take a true 1st round quality player. LVE is not that guy. Just study his tape closely..
He's Bobby Carpenter soft.

You are blind then.

 

[ThreeandOut]

Wonder what the fall back is if he’s taken before 19. I assume it’s Moore.

 

[speedkilz88]

Bobby Carpenter had 49 tackles his final year at Ohio State.
LVE had 141 Tackles 4 Forced Fumbles, 2 Interceptions in his last season.

Other than both being blond hair and white i am not seeing the comparison.

There is none. Barbie also was not the alpha dog and leader of that Ohio St defense.

 

[Rayman70]

Based on him being white and having nearly identical measurable?

Cons are that he’s got one year of good tape and shot up boards based on the combine. Also the fact that the main reason he’s becoming such a consensus pick for us is because we have a glaring need, that being the driving force is never ideal. Also the (now) persistent rumors lingering about his medical /spinal concerns.


I get why he makes sense but wouldn’t be too thrilled outside of a trade back, netting some extra draft capital. If we stay at 19 and take him it will be pretty underwhelming even though I don’t hate the player

agree. Its the perfect storm and WHY you shouldn't take a player based on a dire need.

 

[superonyx]

I afraid I am in total agreement with you. He shows as a great Tarzan athlete who plays like Jane. Bobby Carpenter is a pretty
good representation of LVE. It's going to be another Taco Charlton mistake if we take him. The ideal play is to trade back with
NE or Carolina and get another 3rd or 2nd.

Would Jane have 141 Tackles, 4 Forced Fumbles and 2 Interceptions in 12 games?

I keep hearing this repeated when discrediting LVE but his actual on the field production is impressive.

That said. I am not 100% on him or any LB. Just not seeing the concern with how he plays.

 

[Rayman70]

Wonder what the fall back is if he’s taken before 19. I assume it’s Moore.

Moore,Hernandez or Sutton.

 

[Hayseed]

the games of Boise I watched. Oregon didn't even block him all game. Many of his tackles tend to come after the opponent has gained positive yards downfield. That's a concern. At 19,I want Clay Matthews...a guy that's gonna have a huge impact at LB day1...not a guy who looks the part,but is raw. Boise isn't exactly USC.

Think about that a second. Now does that really make any sense to you. So the week before the game the Oregon braintrust sat down and said.........." O.K guys,....heres the plan. We are going to let our opponents BEST defensive player go totally unblocked all game,... ON PURPOSE !" Think about it. Would any rational person ever do that? LOL

 

[atlantacowboy]

There were PLENTY of people not happy w/that pick.

Well, yeah, we were set to draft Shazier and then Pittsburgh surprised everyone by taking him 1 pick in front of us. We got scooped on all 3 of our defensive targets and Zach was just the next guy on our board.

 

[DBOY3141]

Moore,Hernandez or Sutton.

word is they like Daniels more than Hernandez.

 

[Rayman70]

Think about that a second. Now does that really make any sense to you. So the week before the game the Oregon braintrust sat down and said.........." O.K guys,....heres the plan. We are going to let our opponents BEST defensive player go totally unblocked all game,... ON PURPOSE !" Think about it. Would any rational person ever do that? LOL

its Boise. Level of Comp. matters.

 

[rags747]

Watch the Chargers take him now

Yep possible at 17...

 

[Bigdog]

If it is him, I just hope he is not like the last lb we took in the 1st round that was right around the same pick minus 1.

 

[Rayman70]

word is they like Daniels more than Hernandez.

I been hearing that too..but I think Daniels will be gone by 19.

 

[JW82]

What are the positives and negatives of taking LVE at 19?

He is big an athletic, but I watched him play and doesn't seem like much of a hitter for a 250lb guy. Also considered a 1 year wonder. Hate to use the word, but hard to avoid the Barby Carpenter comparisons....

 

[Sarge]

Well, yeah, we were set to draft Shazier and then Pittsburgh surprised everyone by taking him 1 pick in front of us. We got scooped on all 3 of our defensive targets and Zach was just the next guy on our board.

I really liked the pick from Day 1 but I recall the disappointment among many.