Your preferred choice - Gallup and Schultz or Cooper?

Malhavoc

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Are you saying ONLY last year's stats matter?
You also seem to absolve the QB of any connection with
a WR's stats. Targets matter. If Cooper had 20 drops, you might have
a case. But he didn't. So, you don't.
I’ve never absolved the QB. Dak is overrated and overpaid as well. He absolutely plays a part in it. In both cases the contract and performance don’t match. Cooper,Dak, Elliott, Lawrence, and Collins are bad contracts. Eventually you have to move on when it becomes financially feasible.
 

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I like Cooper but the dude is a headcase who decides to show up when he feels like it. Lets not forget he was missing a ton of practice as well with "nagging" injuries.
 

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I’ve never absolved the QB. Dak is overrated and overpaid as well. He absolutely plays a part in it. In both cases the contract and performance don’t match. Cooper,Dak, Elliott, Lawrence, and Collins are bad contracts. Eventually you have to move on when it becomes financially feasible.

So, now it's back to the contract.
In this very thread you claimed he "ain't that good"
after being called out for claiming Tyler Lockett was better.

Now, "oh, it's a bad contract".
Yet other WRs contracts are surpassing Cooper's contract.

A better move would've been to trade DLaw.
Amari hurt Dak's feelings. He ran to daddy.
Daddy traded big bad Amari to Syberia.
It's as simple as that.
 
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So, now it's back to the contract.
In this very thread you claimed he "ain't that good"
after being called out for claiming Tyler Lockett was better.

Now, "oh, it's a bad contract".
Yet other WRs contracts are surpassing Cooper's contract.

A better move would've been to trade DLaw.
Amari hurt Dak's feelings. He ran to daddy.
Daddy traded big bad Amari to Syberia.
It's as simple as that.
Since when can’t contract and performance be tied together ? And in his case they certainly are. His performance ain’t good enough for the contract. I’d take Lockett AND his talent AND his contract over Cooper every time.
 

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Since when can’t contract and performance be tied together ? And in his case they certainly are. His performance ain’t good enough for the contract. I’d take Lockett AND his talent AND his contract over Cooper every time.

You'd need Lockett's QB in order to get his production.
That QB is in Denver now. Also, you'd need the monster WR,
DK Metcalf, as well to pull coverage away from him.

Lockett is a product of talent around him.
Cooper is the talent that produces openings for players
like Lockett, who is a very good player.

Now, if you include Metcalf, sure, but now that's 3 players
to replace what you already had with Cooper.

Plus, you'd need an OC to call plays that get the ball to him.

I'll defer to a 3-time SB Champion QB who said
sometimes you throw away the game plan if the defensive
coverage can be beat by one guy who might end up with 10
catches by halftime if they stay in that defensive alignment.

Dallas has not, does not and will not do that for some reason.
 

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Is it Cooper or those two teams?
It's very odd that both teams have decided to move on from a productive WR in his prime. Could be, but if the Browns do the same, we know it's more about Cooper.
 

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It looks to me like that’s what it came down to based on the salary cap. The Cowboys had to choose between keeping Cooper or the combination of Gallup and Schultz. Clearly we see what Dallas chose, what would your preference have been?

I definitely would have kept Cooper.

Especially given our personnel. I always wanted to see Cooper and Lamb isolated on the edges, with a healthy Zeke taking runs between the tackles and pass blocking, Pollard taking the misdirection edge runs and occasional deep shots. Then a blocking TE, or Steele/McGovern playing as one.

That's our best squad to produce mismatches against a defense.

Gallup and Schultz are not big threats to worry about. They get numbers because defenses are worrying about everyone else. Schultz especially, and he doesn't even give much as a blocker.

Looks like they've decided to keep the nonthreats. Sad.
 

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You'd need Lockett's QB in order to get his production.
That QB is in Denver now. Also, you'd need the monster WR,
DK Metcalf, as well to pull coverage away from him.

Lockett is a product of talent around him.
Cooper is the talent that produces openings for players
like Lockett, who is a very good player.

Now, if you include Metcalf, sure, but now that's 3 players
to replace what you already had with Cooper.

Plus, you'd need an OC to call plays that get the ball to him.

I'll defer to a 3-time SB Champion QB who said
sometimes you throw away the game plan if the defensive
coverage can be beat by one guy who might end up with 10
catches by halftime if they stay in that defensive alignment.

Dallas has not, does not and will not do that for some reason.
All of that is absolutely ridiculous. First it’s the QB. Then it’s the talent around him. You’ve created some kind of fantasy in your head. I wish Cooper was all these things you imagine he is. The reality is he’s not. The fact that you talk about including Metcalf with Lockett to equal Cooper shows me how delusional you are.
 

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It's very odd that both teams have decided to move on from a productive WR in his prime. Could be, but if the Browns do the same, we know it's more about Cooper.

Maybe, but there’s plenty of dysfunction going around both of his former teams.
 

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Especially given our personnel. I always wanted to see Cooper and Lamb isolated on the edges, with a healthy Zeke taking runs between the tackles and pass blocking, Pollard taking the misdirection edge runs and occasional deep shots. Then a blocking TE, or Steele/McGovern playing as one.

That's our best squad to produce mismatches against a defense.

Gallup and Schultz are not big threats to worry about. They get numbers because defenses are worrying about everyone else. Schultz especially, and he doesn't even give much as a blocker.

Looks like they've decided to keep the nonthreats. Sad.


Exactly. Schultz gets volume because the receivers are drawing coverage and he’s the check down. And with little or no downfield threat, opposing defenses just play closer to the line of scrimmage and jam everything.
 

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All of that is absolutely ridiculous. First it’s the QB. Then it’s the talent around him. You’ve created some kind of fantasy in your head. I wish Cooper was all these things you imagine he is. The reality is he’s not. The fact that you talk about including Metcalf with Lockett to equal Cooper shows me how delusional you are.

The fact that you believe you can drop Lockett in this offense and think
it would make them better is delusional.
There's no fantasy. You just have trouble making comparisons.
Apples to apples, so to speak. Not all WRs, or offenses are the same.

You also seem to miss the point entirely. I try to dumb it down for you.
Nowhere in my comment does it say Metcalf and Lockett equal Cooper.

You probably go on NFL.com and see statistics and automatically assume
more means better without circumstance. Now, that's ridiculous.
 

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It's possible, but I tend to think there is something that is rubbing these teams the wrong way.

The Raiders and the Cowboys are essentially the same team in so many ways.
Mostly, in the front office and maybe at QB.
 

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All of that is absolutely ridiculous. First it’s the QB. Then it’s the talent around him. You’ve created some kind of fantasy in your head. I wish Cooper was all these things you imagine he is. The reality is he’s not. The fact that you talk about including Metcalf with Lockett to equal Cooper shows me how delusional you are.

He's had 2 years out of his 7 years under 1000 yards. 1 1/2 years were here.

Lockett and Metcalf had 5 and 7 more reception on on more targets...lol

2020 with 4 different qbs he had 8 less receptions than Lockett and more than Dk

2019 3 less receptions than Lockett and more than DK.
 
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The fact that you believe you can drop Lockett in this offense and think
it would make them better is delusional.
There's no fantasy. You just have trouble making comparisons.
Apples to apples, so to speak. Not all WRs, or offenses are the same.

You also seem to miss the point entirely. I try to dumb it down for you.
Nowhere in my comment does it say Metcalf and Lockett equal Cooper.

You probably go on NFL.com and see statistics and automatically assume
more means better without circumstance. Now, that's ridiculous.
You’re whole argument is fantasy. Just imagining situations where Amari Cooper is actually better than he is. First you blame the QB. Then you blame the OC. Then it’s the scheme. Then he creates these magical opportunities for his team. Give me a freakin break. You see what you want to see.
 

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Ertz just signed for top ten money. Imagine what Schultz would’ve got tomorrow
 

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He's had 2 years out of his 7 years under 1000 yards. 1 1/2 years were here.

Lockett and Metcalf had 5 and 7 more reception on on more targets...lol

2020 with 4 different qbs he had 8 less receptions than Lockett and more than Dk

2019 3 less receptions than Lockett and more than DK.
And this proves he’s good enough to earn 20 m per year. Lol
 
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