Zack Martin does not report to camp

[zrinkill]

Did you check with Prescott to see if he’s on board with that?

No need ...... Prescott is not a complete idiot who wants to get rid of the best guard in football

 

[Reid1boys]

I’d agree with your premise here. But each player and season is a different circumstance.

Personally knowing that it’s practically a given Tyron goes down then with an OL and running game already suspect going in this year the loss of Martin practically changes the expectations for 2023.

If you’re fine with what the potential impacts are then I’d let him sit. But I have a feeling that McCarthy knows his offense is in trouble without Martin and probably Tyron . With Tyron out we felt we could move Tyler over . But if both are out then what ?

And if we can’t run the ball what does that mean for our QB and passing game being more effective . Or are we ready to put the offense and season basically in Daks hand ?

I wouldn't mortgage the future . Assuming there is a future if is another disappointing ending. I think the expectations are high . Not only for MM but Prescott too. This offense needs to gel with MM taking over. Martins absence and the OL collapsing won’t be enough scapegoat to save them when he could have been payed .

We don’t have to offer him a long term deal. Offer him a one year deal near the top for OL. Then draft a replacement in 2024 and see how this season ends . Then we’ll be in a better negotiating position next year.

But if we are All In on 2023 to kick the door down on a Championship appearance then paying Martin is a must. If we aren’t then be prepared for what the impact could be and the collateral damage of the results.

The talk about high expectations and then we always come crashing down..... you dont think Philly has high expectations this year? KC, Chargers? Giants, Buffalo? Every year many teams have high expectations, but only 1 can win it all.

This is a game of poker. You just have already conceded that Martin will sit out and there goes our line. The way it works now is these guys get fined for everyday tey miss.... 50k. In the past, they would show up and the team would forgive the fine. They cant do that anymore. Let Martin miss all of camp and preseason, what is that, like 40 days? what is that? 2 million in fines? Then let him start missing game checks....... I say he can not and will not sit out all those days IF AND ONLY if the team plays hardball. Something so many were pissed they didnt feel we did with Zeke... where here we are again. Time to draw a line in the sand.

 

[Diehardblues]

The talk about high expectations and then we always come crashing down..... you dont think Philly has high expectations this year? KC, Chargers? Giants, Buffalo? Every year many teams have high expectations, but only 1 can win it all.

This is a game of poker. You just have already conceded that Martin will sit out and there goes our line. The way it works now is these guys get fined for everyday tey miss.... 50k. In the past, they would show up and the team would forgive the fine. They cant do that anymore. Let Martin miss all of camp and preseason, what is that, like 40 days? what is that? 2 million in fines? Then let him start missing game checks....... I say he can not and will not sit out all those days IF AND ONLY if the team plays hardball. Something so many were pissed they didnt feel we did with Zeke... where here we are again. Time to draw a line in the sand.

Again that’s fine . I’m ok with drawing the line in the sand . Just be prepared for the collateral damage . And if all it took was 4 or 5 million this next and possibly next to bump him up to preserve the OL we might look back and have some regrets.

Each player and situation is different . I wasn’t in favor of paying Zeke. Especially if it meant an extended contract . But this isn’t the same situation. We can throw a few million at this situation for a year or two.

 

[CWR]

Again that’s fine . I’m ok with drawing the line in the sand . Just be prepared for the collateral damage . And if all it took was 4 or 5 million this next and possibly next to bump him up to preserve the OL we might look back and have some regrets.

Each player and situation is different . I wasn’t in favor of paying Zeke. Especially if it meant an extended contract . But this isn’t the same situation. We can throw a few million at this situation for a year or two.

Yes, it depends entirely on what he is asking for.

 

[khiladi]

Sure they did if both parties agreed to the restructure!

I was just saying that the contracts are never “written in stone”. Teams come to players all the time to “adjust” their contracts.

 

[Sydla]

If Zack Martin doesn't report, "I" would put Tyler Smith at Right Guard while placing Matt Farniok at Left Guard. That's my take and I'm sticking to it due to my past experience.

Great but the comparison still is that you’d be replacing a Martin level type player with one of significantly less talent/value.

Just saying moving T Smith to RG mitigates the giant hole you just created along the OL is hilarious.

 

[phildadon86]

If Zack Martin doesn't report, "I" would put Tyler Smith at Right Guard while placing Matt Farniok at Left Guard. That's my take and I'm sticking to it due to my past experience.

This needs to stop. Tyler smith isn’t a RG. Nor is he even on Martin’s level. Yet.

Martin was the first OL rookie named to an all pro team in like 40 years when he came into the league. Yet Tyler smith who is amazing is supposed to replace that kind of production? In his second year. Playing a position he’s never played before? Makes total sense.

 

[SuperBowlz]

The contract is set up and worded as it is, and the player and his agent have a choice not to sign it. The players ”Union” has approved of this language and its nothing new.

If there is a violation of a contract there is a mechanism to seek legal remedy through arbitration as well as the court system

Ive stated this 2 Million times and I don’t know why some still can’t grasp this basic business concept?

There is nothing stating that these players are legally bound nor are the owners. Fair is fair. Owners don't honor contracts nor do the players

 

[SuperBowlz]

I'd fine him the max amount every his misses camp. No more of this BS of holding out when you are under contract for 2 more years. What a load of crap, you signed the contract. There is security for injury and poor performance from signing a long-term deal, the flip side is you might feel under paid at some point if you stay healthy and perform well. You can't have it both ways, and the Cowboys have to hold firm or they are not going to have enough cap to field a top team. Caving into ZEKE was a huge mistake and now the Cowboys must show they have learned their lesson.

Of course not drafting a guard in the 2nd round like they should have just gives Martin all the more leverage, but I still won't give one inch to anyone holding out under contract, especially 2 more years.

So what if he gets a massive concussion or is paralyzed and the owner dumps him and doesn't pay him on a contract the owner also signed. No more of the owner dumping players who are under contract BS too, right?

 

[SuperBowlz]

wait... so he is holding the team hostage, yes? I mesan, he is refusing to come to camp until he gets a redone deal. So why dont teams just do the same? The Cowboys better be smart an dlook down the road, because we have this young player that is all about himself, and number 11 will want a deal redone EERY year to ensure he is the highest paid defensive player in the league. Would you be ok with that? and still have the attitude of just pay the man? Teams have a cap and they plan accordingly knowing who they have under contract and for how many years.

Do this with Martin and watch what diggs does 3 years into his FIVE YEAR DEAL. nah... I woudnt do it out of spite, im not about spite. EVERYTHING is all about business to me in the NFL. I have no player loyalty, just like 99% of them have no team loyalty. As long as the relationship is muutally beneficial, im all for it. As soon as a player isnt helping the team... im ok with saying seeya. I was ok with Emmitt, ok with Aikman, ok with Zeke.... ok with all of them hitting the road as soon as they dont help the team.

The teams absolutely do the same. If I player declines or gets hurt the team dumps him and his contract.

 

[shabazz]

There is nothing stating that these players are legally bound nor are the owners. Fair is fair. Owners don't honor contracts nor do the players

I tend to judge these situations on a case by case basis

when Zeke held out, he was the most productive RB in the league and was in his rookie contract and severely underpaid…..but Martin had already been paid at the highest salary at his position for years and when the time came for the leaner part of the contract he chooses to seek even more

He has the right to do it but some of us see an overreach considering he was already appreciated and paid handsomely.

if there was no salary cap, I wouldn’t give a rip but I don’t want to see other Boys players leave because there’s not enough left to pay them

 

[SuperBowlz]

I tend to judge these situations on a case by case basis

when Zeke held out, he was the most productive RB in the league and was in his rookie contract and severely underpaid…..but Martin had already been paid at the highest salary at his position for years and when the time came for the leaner part of the contract he chooses to seek even more

He has the right to do it but some of us see an overreach considering he was already appreciated and paid handsomely.

if there was no salary cap, I wouldn’t give a rip but I don’t want to see other Boys players leave because there’s not enough left to pay them

I totally get your point and as a fan you want the team to be able to effectively manage the salary cap. The problem is the players don't look at it that way. They look at it as them sacrificing their future health and want every single penny they can get in a short career window. It's going to be hard for the Cowboys with a lot of elite individual talent. Dallas has 3 impending 9 figure deals coming up while just handing one out to a CB (Cee Dee, Micah, Dak).

 

[America's Cowboy]

This needs to stop. Tyler smith isn’t a RG. Nor is he even on Martin’s level. Yet.

Martin was the first OL rookie named to an all pro team in like 40 years when he came into the league. Yet Tyler smith who is amazing is supposed to replace that kind of production? In his second year. Playing a position he’s never played before? Makes total sense.

You need to stop and realize Zack Martin isn't as nimble or as unstoppable as you make him out to be, especially at the very soon age of 33 and 10 years of wear-n-tear.



He already is getting paid handsomely ($14 mil/year) with 2 years left. If he takes any extra $1-$2 mil more per year on a 2-3 extension? Great. But if he demands to be paid top overall pay ($20 mil/year) on another multi-year extension, sorry, that's way too much, especially with 6+ other younger key starters' contract extensions already due.

Wisen up.

 

[Captain-Crash]

get that money Zack, you only get to play for so long. People who don't like it, don't worry about a man's money.

 

[KingCorcoran]

The teams absolutely do the same. If I player declines or gets hurt the team dumps him and his contract.

Only if the contract allows them to do it. Players have protections in their contracts, so does the team. You cannot name a single incident that an NFL franchise took action on a players contract that violated the agreement. And a player holding out is not a violation of the agreement because there is specific language that covers such an eventuality.

 

[kumizi]

That is absolutely criminal to Terence Steele and Tyler Smith

They’re both good run blockers and below average to bad in pass protection.

 

[Reid1boys]

The teams absolutely do the same. If I player declines or gets hurt the team dumps him and his contract.

HUGE difference.... the team is doing something that has been collectively bargained for and allowed in the CONTRACTS PLAYERS SIGN. The other is not allowed and results in huge fines now that teams can not forgive..... so no, its not even close to the same thing.

Have you ever seen a team , right before training camp say they are refusing to pay the player their salary????? Nope

 

[31RoyW31]

So what if he gets a massive concussion or is paralyzed and the owner dumps him and doesn't pay him on a contract the owner also signed. No more of the owner dumping players who are under contract BS too, right?

That is the purpose of signing bonuses and guarantee amounts. The owner would be out a lot of dough if that happened in the first year of the contract.

 

[RS12]

Sounds like Jerry got a good look at the Farniok/ Ball duo.

 

[kskboys]

The teams absolutely do the same. If I player declines or gets hurt the team dumps him and his contract.

And they still have to pay the guaranteed part.