Zack Martin tops Rookie Rankings

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Martin is a rookie doing this. Just think of what he will do once he is in the prime of his career.

Is he our next Larry Allen?
I love Martin....but I will never forget Deion Sanders said the MVP of the NFL was Larry Allen. Let's not forget...guys faked injury to avoid playing him. And he was also a Pro Bowl OT!
 

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Ha, I remember 3 weeks in, the Donald-Haters were loving the fact that he wasn't starting yet and proclaiming that he'd have been a wasted pick.

Martin has been a great pick-up though, he was my second choice behind Donald but being that Martin was the only one that stonewalled Donald in pre-draft prep, obviously we made a pretty good call - not that it was a choice between the two.



Seems like ESPN
If he only had 3 sacks here (really only responsible for 2 sacks because the QB ran right into his arms after getting chased from the back side on one of his sacks), that'd be really disappointing, especially knowing we got a much better player in Martin.
 

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1. Zack Martin, OG, Dallas Cowboys

Offensive Rookie of the Year.
 

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Yep. Stephen Jones said after that draft that is who they would have taken had the draft fallen the same way. It is just another indicator of how well the team is judging talent these days.

Below is part of something that I wrote on another board:

Jerry went off the reservation which was one of the rare occasions where Jerry reverted back to his old ways. It is why Garrett was fuming on the war room cam. Claiborne had not even been interviewed by the team one time, and very little time was actually spent by the scouts and coaches to evaluate him because they knew he would go very early. Jerry just couldn't help himself when the Rams offered a move up to pick #6 for way less than it would typically cost. It was a good deal so Jerry pulled the trigger despite Garrett and Stephen advising against it. Basically, Jerry just drafted Claiborne because he was supposed to be the best defensive player in that draft according to the Mel Kiper's of the world... not because his own coach and scouts told him he was good.

Even in that draft though, you could tell that Garrett was looking at the right players. Stephen Jones said that had they not made the trade for Claiborne, they would have taken DT Michael Brockers with the 14th pick and LB Bobby Wagner with their second round pick. Both of those guys have turned out very good. Their 3rd round pick of Tyrone Crawford has been a really good one too. He was the best DL prior to tweaking his knee a couple of weeks ago.

So you are a fiction writer?
 

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Martin will be making players like Donald look like ameratures for years.
 

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Please provide any source that Garrett or Stephen was fuming, especially considering this very same year they went out and paid major money for Brandon Carr in March. This team was looking to cement a pair of starting CBs that very year. Please spare the Garrett 'vision'.

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...own-the-cowboys-2012-draft-round-by-round.ece

The way Garrett reacted on the war room cam looked like he was not happy with what happened. Could I have misread it? Certainly, but it looked that way to me. I should have said that it was my observation, but what I wrote was part of a longer piece. Garrett's reaction was raw and real and not part of any planned press conference where they might try damage control.

As far as Garrett 'vision'... there is no doubt whatsoever that the drafting improved drastically when he became head coach. There is a clear line of demarcation there between not very good drafting and good drafting. It has been noticed by many more than just me. If you don't want to think Garrett or anything he has done has effected personnel acquisition, then that is your prerogative. There are many who think the opposite of that though.

They already had a plan per reports.

Jerry on the other hand did over-rule scouts to take Frederik the very next year over Floyd and Stephen Jones admitted this flat-out. And Callahan knows his OL much better than any of these guys.

Stephen will admit a lot to make Jerry look better as a GM. Look, I'm not a Jerry hater by any stretch, but the talent brought in from when Jimmy Johnson left until Parcells came in and revamped the draft process was, by almost any measure, horrid. there were entire drafts where literally no players were worth a ****.

Under Jerry's watch the team quickly dropped from contender status, through also-ran status, and straight down into the crap category. It was during this period that Jerry Jones came up with such awesome draft ideas as the "picks for depth" draft which brought us such gems as Sherman Williams (three counts of conspiracy to distribute marijuana and a separate plea for passing counterfeit currency), Kendall Watkins, Shane Hannah (quit the team [second year] during preseason and announce his retirement from pro football), Oscar Sturgis, etc.

Of course, who could forget the "all CB" draft, which saw Dallas get 3 cornerbacks (with its first 3 picks), a LB and a RB? The 3 corners (Dwayne Goodrich [vehicular manslaughter 7 years in prison], Kareem Larrimore, and Mario Edwards) were not really what you look for in a player. When the best player is Mario Edwards, you have issues. Of course several other teams tried Larrimore, but unfortunately they were the Dallas Desperadoes, Chicago Rush, Amarillo Dusters, and the Inglewood Blackhawks. Michael Wiley and Orontes Grant rounded out that masterpiece. At least Wiley and Grant didn't have any legal issues.

Jerry also perpetrated a draft strategy that encompassed several drafts put together. The "we need a DE so lets take one with our first pick every year until we hit on one" draft process. At least that run of drafts brought Dallas some good DE's... er, A good DE: Shante Carver, Kavika Pittman, Greg Ellis, and Eb Ekuban. Almost half a decade's worth of picks thrown at one position and one slightly above average DE (Ellis) to show for it. Dallas literally drafted Mel Kiper's highest rated 43 DE that was left on the board in each of these instances, except when they smartly passed on pro bowler Tony Brackens in order to secure Kavika Pittman. Luckily, Jerry decided to end the run so he could implement his "all CB draft" and his "QB's of the future will be athletic" draft (Quincy Carter).

Another draft strategy that he employed was the "Larry Allen was a second round pick so let's always draft an OL in the second" process. At least that produced some decent players in Flozell Adams and Andre Gurode. Unfortunately it produced second round players like Shane Hannah and Solomon Page. Interestingly, this practice actually carried over into Parcells reign in Dallas with Al Johnson and Jacob Rogers.

Even with Parcells, Jerry was still able to see that Julius Jones would be much better than Steven Jackson, that Bruce Thornton and Jacques Reeves were the defensive backfield of the future, Bobby Carpenter was a chip off the old block, and that Skyler Green could at least return kicks.

All sarcasm aside, it is clear that the drafts have improved greatly since Garrett took over. If you or anyone chooses to think that Garrett had nothing to do with it, that is totally up to the individual. However, just because there isn't a link to show that Garrett has had an immense impact on Dallas' talent acquisition, doesn't mean that he hasn't.
 

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I'll second his comments on Borland. Watched the Niners game last week and he was all over the place. Mike Mayock had a nice breakdown of him on NFL.com.
 

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Martin is very good and will get better; but he is just not enough of an athlete to ever be compared to LA. To me the very best OL I have ever seen
 

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Please provide any source that Garrett or Stephen was fuming, especially considering this very same year they went out and paid major money for Brandon Carr in March. This team was looking to cement a pair of starting CBs that very year. Please spare the Garrett 'vision'.

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...own-the-cowboys-2012-draft-round-by-round.ece



They already had a plan per reports.

Jerry on the other hand did over-rule scouts to take Frederik the very next year over Floyd and Stephen Jones admitted this flat-out. And Callahan knows his OL much better than any of these guys.
I'm normally more supportive of Jerry than most around here, but @AsthmaField is correct, IMO. The Rams called and spoke directly to Jerry and offered him the #6 pick for a "cheap" price. The Cowboys had not really done much background work on Claiborne because they didn't expect to have the option to draft him.

Jerrry didn't really take Fred over Floyd. Jerry just passed on Floyd for the extra pick. They didn't know at that minute that Fred would be the pick.
 

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The funny thing is, I'm about 100% sure thats what we would've done had we not traded up for Claiborne. Smh

But there's a big cycle that occurs when you make that draft. The Cowboys then probably invest in cornerback and not in Zack Martin. You can't take away one draft and assume it will not effect others.
 

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Martin is very good and will get better; but he is just not enough of an athlete to ever be compared to LA. To me the very best OL I have ever seen
Yes, but in terms of importance to the team, it's not a big difference between having a really good OG and the best ever like it would at QB or some other positions.
 

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I'm normally more supportive of Jerry than most around here, but @AsthmaField is correct, IMO. The Rams called and spoke directly to Jerry and offered him the #6 pick for a "cheap" price. The Cowboys had not really done much background work on Claiborne because they didn't expect to have the option to draft him.

Jerrry didn't really take Fred over Floyd. Jerry just passed on Floyd for the extra pick. They didn't know at that minute that Fred would be the pick.

I don't think that it was I stated. What I said was the article stated that they had done pre-planning if Claiborne was available at 6 with the Rams. Acting like it was some major shocker and a last-minute Jerry move is utterly absurd. The shocker was that they drafted a guy they didn't think they would be able to get, but got.


This is also confirmed here.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...is-claiborne-stunned-by-sudden-draftday-union

Dallas pulled off a stunner, soaring up eight spots in the first round (in exchange for its No. 14 spot and a second-round pick) to grab Claiborne, the draft's highest-rated cornerback. The Cowboys had done several pre-draft "What if?" exercises, including one that included them grabbing Claiborne. But they knew the chances were slim to select the lock-down corner with stellar ball skills.

Jerry himself confirmed it when he stated:

"We had decided as late as three days ago that he'd be the only player that we'd go up and get," Jerry Jones said.

And Stephen Jones himself stated why they didn't give him much scouting attention:

As Stephen Jones quipped, "I don't remember a lot of time we spent with Luck or RG3, either."

Per the mouth of Garrett himself:

"(Claiborne) was the only player in our minds that we were going to go up and make a trade to move up in the draft for," Garrett said. "We have some very good contacts at LSU. We feel like we know this player really, really well and the kind of person he is and the kind of player he is and the kind of player he can be."

As far as Jerry giving it up, the point is, it was Jerry that passed on Floyd, because he listened to Marinelli.
 

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All sarcasm aside, it is clear that the drafts have improved greatly since Garrett took over. If you or anyone chooses to think that Garrett had nothing to do with it, that is totally up to the individual. However, just because there isn't a link to show that Garrett has had an immense impact on Dallas' talent acquisition, doesn't mean that he hasn't.

So essentially, you have no proof and made that up.

How about the words from not Stephen Jones, but Garrett himself:

"(Claiborne) was the only player in our minds that we were going to go up and make a trade to move up in the draft for," Garrett said. "We have some very good contacts at LSU. We feel like we know this player really, really well and the kind of person he is and the kind of player he is and the kind of player he can be."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...is-claiborne-stunned-by-sudden-draftday-union

You can spin it any way you want, but it's clear that this was an organizational decision of which Red Ginger was a 'part of'. As I said before, your story is foolish from the perspective of Carr himself, whom Dallas paid a bunch of cash in March of that same year to boost problems they saw specifically at CB. Let's not also forget that Rob Ryan's scheme is predicated on CBs and he speaks about it as essential to make it work. They wanted CBs for that scheme.

I can tell you what though, outside of your experience of the draft day decision in 2012, which nobody else seemed to report, everybody did report the experience of Garrett having no idea about Jerry pulling the trigger to draft down and not take Floyd in the draft room along with Tom, which was essentially confirmed by everybody after the fact.
 

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Per the mouth of Garrett himself:

Look, this really isn't even something that I want to sit and go back and forth on. I don't think anyone has ever had his opinion of Jerry or Garrett changed from arguing on a message board. You have made some good points and referenced some articles.

But really, what did you expect Garrett to say? "Well, Jerry just got a damn wild hair and did something none of us expected." That's why I referenced damage control earlier. He had to say what he did or the media would have gone bananas.



As far as Jerry giving it up, the point is, it was Jerry that passed on Floyd, because he listened to Marinelli.

I agree. Jerry passed on Floyd because he listened to the defensive coaches. I would also wager that he listens to Garrett more than just about anyone else. Jerry is the decision maker... he just has decided to let Garrett try to build the team the way he wants to because Jerry knows Garrett is a smart guy who has a good plan. Jerry shares Garrett's vision of what he wants the team to be. IMO of course.
 

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Look, this really isn't even something that I want to sit and go back and forth on. I don't think anyone has ever had his opinion of Jerry or Garrett changed from arguing on a message board. You have made some good points and referenced some articles.

But really, what did you expect Garrett to say? "Well, Jerry just got a damn wild hair and did something none of us expected." That's why I referenced damage control earlier. He had to say what he did or the media would have gone bananas.

And Garrett was here for years prior, with all the related bungled decisions. And Jerry allowed him call plays and run the offense, which is what he wanted. So why should we toss aside years of evidence to fit some story that has no basis? Garrett got the OL he wanted in Houck and was using a power-blocking scheme. Did Jerry force that on him? I mean this story as some grand plan is just absurd. And it gets more absurd when people make up stories that have no basis. It's no surprise that even Garrett was riffiing with Callahan last year, the man who built this OL. But I guess it's Garrett's OL, his running schemes, and so on...

Jerry didn't let Callahan go to interview for an OC position for a reason, even after all this..
 

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Thanks for sharing

Ditto! I saw the headline over on ESPN with Martin mentioned as top rookie, then "Insider" and grrrrrr so thanks.

The biggest problem with the whole Kiper article was that my mind insisted on reading it all in Kiper's voice.
 
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