Zack Martin update - based on Jerry Jones comments

[AsthmaField]

Oh you mean like Dak! Micah performs and is one the elite at his position. He deserves to break the bank unlike someone else.

Yeah, the team is damn lucky to have Parsons. He is a godsend for this team.

 

[MarcusRock]

which makes perfect sense. Just upping the amount of money on his CURRENT deal is stupid. Like Jerry said, he needs money for Micah and Cee Dee and we know that Micah aint giving no "Team discount." Not only that, Micah comes off as such a ME kind of guy, I suspect he will be holding Jerry Hostage everytime new contracts for other players come out and pass his soon to be record breaking contract.

Micah is awesome, but I predict he is going to be a headache in many years to come.

Micah's a ME guy but Martin is the one who stated he "gets paid to play Guard" when there was chatter about him filling in to help our Tackles when we had injuries then turns around and holds out when his formerly highest paid contract isn't highest paid anymore. But yet Micah on the rookie contract is a higher concern for holding Jerry hostage than the guy actually trying to hold Jerry hostage. Lol. Micah's going to get paid handsomely. Stew about it now or stew about it later. Lol.

 

[dargonking999]

Martin is playing week 1 and Micah and Ceedee will be signed. And wow at calling Parsons a possible headache. HE IS THE type of guy you pay.

He is, but the amount of money that will be needed to pay him is not going to be easy to build a team around. Ya'll where mad before when the team was offering 1 million for 5 time pro-bowl players. imagine how mad you're going to be when 70% of the cap is going to Dak and Micah. Every team has a guy that is THE type of guy you pay. But that doesn't mean they don't hope and pray they can get him to take less money.

 

[dargonking999]

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Based on the comments by Jerry Jones in the interview in the attached video, it seems that Jerry is willing to pay Zack more if he's willing to extend his contract. But he doesn't want to just give Zack more money over the next two seasons, without a contract extension.​

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Skip to 7:30 mark in the video.​

But overall this makes sense. Martin doesn't want to add more years because he naturally wants to get another pay day, but Jerry isn't going to give more money and not get more years from you to spread that money over. So its gonna come down to who gives in first. Does Martin take the money and sign on for the extra years, or does Jerry bend over and give up the money and not take on the years.

IF ya'll think cause Jerry bent over for Zeke, he's gonna do the same for Martin, you will be SOL. The owners specifically changed the CBA to ensure that players under contract have almost zero leverage to miss games holding out for a better contract. He's an Old idiot, but he aint that old of an idiot

 

[blueblood70]

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Based on the comments by Jerry Jones in the interview in the attached video, it seems that Jerry is willing to pay Zack more if he's willing to extend his contract. But he doesn't want to just give Zack more money over the next two seasons, without a contract extension.​

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Skip to 7:30 mark in the video.​

Well, that some progress. I dont belive he will miss real games..this is all posturing by both sides..

 

[aikemirv]

You don’t have to touch Micah for nearly three years.

He has this year, next year, 5th year option and then his deal will kick in.

You can resign Martin with an additional two years with little to no effect on the cap.

If you want Micah to take you for every penny he can, you wait that long. If you want some kind of cap friendly team deal that everybody can work with, you take care of him after this year.

 

[Jumbo075]

I suggest a 3 year contract extension for Zack Martin, with a voidable 3rd year. Pay him a $20million signing bonus this season, and $21.34 M per year for 2025, 2026 and 2027. So, in total, and 3 year, $84 million contract extension - on paper. That is $28 million per season - on paper.

In actuality, here is what it looks like on a cash basis, and for the Salary CAP:

• 2023 (age 32/33) - Zack gets $20 million bonus to go with his $1.7 salary - which means he gets paid $21.7M in 2023. That exceeds Chris Lindstrom's average of $21M per season in Atlanta. CAP hit is only $5.7M, + $9.34M from previous bonuses for a total CAP hit of $15.04M.
• 2024 (age 33/34) - Zack gets paid his scheduled $14M salary. His CAP hit is $27.34M ($14M + $13.34M prorated signing bonus)
• 2025 (age 34/35) - Zack gets paid $17.33M in salary. His CAP hit is $26.33M. Cowboys can save $4.35M on the CAP by cutting him before the 2025 season.

********* Cowboys out after 2025 **************

• 2026 (age 35/36) - Zack gets paid $21.33M in salary. His CAP hit is $30.32M. Cowboys can save $17.33M on the CAP by cutting him before the 2026 season, with a $12.99M Dead money CAP hit. They can spread that out over 2 seasons by deignating him a June 1st cut, like they did with Zeke this year.
• 2027 (age 36/37) - Zack is scheduled to make $25.33M, and his CAP hit would be $29.33M, but his contract automatically voids. The Cowboys still owe $4M on the salary CAP from the prorated bonus, and can choose to let Zack walk, or negotiate a new aging veteran contract with him at that time.

Of course the Cowboys can choose to restructure his contract in both 2024 and 2025 to get CAP relief, if needed.

In actuality, he's already owed $15.7M over the next two seasons. The contract will be $20M signing bonus, plus $17.33M in 2025, which makes his average salary over the next 3 seasons $17.68M per season if the Cowboys cut him in 2026.

If the Cowboys keep him through the 2026 season, his extension costs them $20M signing bonus, plus salaries of $17.33M in 2025 and $21.34 in 2026. That makes it $74.37M over 4 years, which is $18.6M per season.

Even if they were to keep him for the entire 3 years extension (total of 5 more seasons), when you combine his $84M extension with his currently owed $15.7M, he would get $99.7M ($19.94 per season) over 5 years, which is still less than the $105M being paid to Chris Lindstrom over the next 5 years.

But the press would report "Jerry Caves, give Zack Martin 3 year - $84M contract extension - average of $28M per season." That is because newspaper writers are bad at math, and apparently don't understand the difference between a new contract, and a contract extension. But Zack would have bragging rights, and get bumped up from making $1.7M this year to $21.7M in cash money.

 

[RandyOh]

This guy is about to be 33. Need to be careful.

Hes not a WR about to lose his speed. Olineman can go well into there 30s and stay elite.

 

[Carson]

If you want Micah to take you for every penny he can, you wait that long. If you want some kind of cap friendly team deal that everybody can work with, you take care of him after this year.

I see what you’re saying. But he’s stupid to sign a deal now.

What he signs for now will not be market value in three years.

Say he signs, then wins DPOY and a Super Bowl. Is he content? Or will he want more

 

[AbeBeta]

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Based on the comments by Jerry Jones in the interview in the attached video, it seems that Jerry is willing to pay Zack more if he's willing to extend his contract. But he doesn't want to just give Zack more money over the next two seasons, without a contract extension.​

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Skip to 7:30 mark in the video.​

Well duh. It was always going to be an extension

 

[gimmesix]

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Based on the comments by Jerry Jones in the interview in the attached video, it seems that Jerry is willing to pay Zack more if he's willing to extend his contract. But he doesn't want to just give Zack more money over the next two seasons, without a contract extension.​

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Skip to 7:30 mark in the video.​

I would assume any added money would be part of an extension, especially since he has a $13 million non-guaranteed base next year and no years left after that. I don't really think this is an issue at all. It's just that neither side is in any kind of hurry because no one cares if Martin misses the first few weeks of camp and avoids injury.

 

[Reid1boys]

Micah's a ME guy but Martin is the one who stated he "gets paid to play Guard" when there was chatter about him filling in to help our Tackles when we had injuries then turns around and holds out when his formerly highest paid contract isn't highest paid anymore. But yet Micah on the rookie contract is a higher concern for holding Jerry hostage than the guy actually trying to hold Jerry hostage. Lol. Micah's going to get paid handsomely. Stew about it now or stew about it later. Lol.

Did you see me somehow saying Martin is not a me guy? I wouldnt pay him a penny more on his current deal... and exactly for why I said. Do it with Zack and watch what happens in 3 years with Micah, then in year 4, year 5 6 and so on.

 

[Diehardblues]

Darn, I was hoping to see this Texas Coast offense without him. Lol

2023 could be the OL by Committee year

 

[Reid1boys]

Oh you mean like Dak! Micah performs and is one the elite at his position. He deserves to break the bank unlike someone else.

Im sorry... did Dak hold out while under contract?? Did I miss something. Darn, some of you cant read very well. I never said Micah doesnt deserve to get paid, I clearly stated in my post he is going to get a RECIRD deal... but then you watch how quickly he holds out for more when others pass his deal up.

 

[Reid1boys]

You don’t have to touch Micah for nearly three years.

He has this year, next year, 5th year option and then his deal will kick in.

You can resign Martin with an additional two years with little to no effect on the cap.

uhmmmm, wth does that have to do with what I wrote??? Absolutely nothing.

 

[Diehardblues]

Did you see me somehow saying Martin is not a me guy? I wouldnt pay him a penny more on his current deal... and exactly for why I said. Do it with Zack and watch what happens in 3 years with Micah, then in year 4, year 5 6 and so on.

Ahhh, this is all part of the NFL. Franchises can release players with contract still in force once their guarantee has been met, why can’t players hold out and negotiate for me .

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

If it's true that Martin is just asking for more money and still wants to be UFA at the same time, then that's a prick move.

 

[Reid1boys]

Zack Martin is a premier roster player. He will get paid and paid soon enough. What interested me more was this passage (video mark 10:12 to 12:40):

Interviewer: What's been your observation of the working relationship between offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer and not only head coach Mike McCarthy but playcaller Mike McCarthy as they try to put the best offense out.

Jones: Well the word is confidence uh Mike of course has uh the nose the Schottenheimer we all know and respect his father sure. And by the way I'm a product of a powerful father or I accomplished father too. And there's nothing wrong with that when they're always calling you Junior. And you feel like you've got something to prove okay.

So but that's the case and he does have a lot to prove because his father but he was born up but he was born he was sitting around that kitchen table it's called osmosis. So it's in his veins plus he's so sound uh and so it's a great compliment to what Mike will need to basically accomplish both head coaching as well as the offensive coordinator and the play caller literally. The offensive coordinator play caller is the busiest guy on the whole team yeah much less if he tries to be the head coach too now this is a job.

Interviewer: That's what I was going to ask you is that is that something that that you look at and say that's a lot that's a lot for for one one guy to handle. How does the rest of that staff as you guys look at it kind of come alongside him and help him with you know challenges (inaudible) all our games come down to inside of two minutes? How do you guys look at that as a staff and say how can we help Mike with that?

Jones: Well, that's what you're counting on. Yeah and that is the that is the making up for him not being I call it a walk around coach right do that. Now Mike doesn't have as much time for schmoozing me. I'm teasing but he doesn't he doesn't he can't be a Mr. Social out here in camp not that he really ever was.

But he's too busy yeah he's too busy. A lot of work but it does but uh uh if you will a lot more direct involvement when you're a defensive coordinator and he's offensive you're a special teams coach or for that matter with the nuances of the position coaches, So really your staff does take a step up when your head coach is the coordinator on one side of the ball or the other.

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Just his usual rambling answer but it is interesting seeing how Jones views his head coach and new offensive coordinator partnership dynamic through his eyes, going into the 2023 season.

he WILL get paid?? he has been paid and very handsomely and still is. Thats what Jerry's point was. jerry made it clear. You cant expect us to redo every player's deal every time they think they have outplayed the current contract. You cant operate a team like that. Jerry makes perfect sense.... some of you need to pay attention.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yep, Imagine that. One of the top players in the NFL wants to get paid. It's the mediocre ones people should have a problem with.

These frikin owners can renege on their contracts and release players under contract why shouldn’t players be able to hold out for more.

 

[Reid1boys]

Ahhh, this is all part of the NFL. Franchises can release players with contract still in force once their guarantee has been met, why can’t players hold out and negotiate for me .

they can do whatever they want.... and they can now rack up massive fines, to the tune of over 600k currently for Martin. Those fines can NOT be forgiven by th eteams like they used to do every single time, because it was expected. why do you think the league had that stipulation added to the last CBA??? It was added to punish players for holding out while under contract.

Contracts are written in a way that clearly states teams can release a player at specific times and whatthe fallout from releasing said player at specific times will be. Its actually PART OF THE CONTRACT...... a player while UNDER CONTRACT does not have the actual RIGHT to hold out as you suggest.

teams need to just play hard ball like jerry is.... like what happened to L Bell and then lets see what platers do.

Martin is losing that fined dollar amount no matter what happens. he is never getting that money back.