Zack Martin update - based on Jerry Jones comments

[Sydla]

99% of the folks wouldn't know the name of the guards. but fact is KC won it without Thuney and with Thuney. is that a difference make then?

am I saying Guard is a useless position on offense? no. its not. I have argued in the past, the OL works as a unit. it fails and succeeds together, where every other position you have to win your individual battle and if one piece fails, you can still find success (i.e. WRs, 3 can fail, one succeed, get him the ball, play suceeds). on the OL, if one piece fails, the whole thing fails regardless of what anybody else did. so my long winded point, I am not dismissing the notion that you can just put any bum in there.

but its about investing your money, with the limitations of the cap. do you invest 8-10% of your money in one guard. then what do you invest in LT, RT, Center. having the best guard is a luxuary. not a necessasity. if you are able to have the best guard, then great. but its not a precursor to a superbowl. Lindstrom is probably a top 3 guard in the league. are the falcons a superbowl contender? Quenton nelson is a top 5 guard. is indy a superbowl contender?

again, you need good OL. part of which is guard. having top 5 guard is a luxuary. if you can afford it. then great. otherwise, it doesn't guarantee a superbowl contender.

But again, you already are taking a massive cap hit for him next year and then dummy years after that. So this notion that extending Martin somehow creates a cap crisis is kind of preposterous at this point. You can redo his deal, lower next year's cap hit, absorb those dummy years and still have enough cap space to go and sign Parsons or Lamb in the next couple of years.

Plus, as the line is constituted, you need a really good RG because your RT and your C aren't exactly high level performers. You draw the line with Martin guess what? You probably need to start thinking about upgrading RT and C or going out and finding another elite OG like Martin. It's pretty simple to me, other than Dak, the next important piece on offense right now, based on how they have set up their offense, is Martin. You remove him from the equation, guess what? That "good OL" that you claim a team needs has real issues. The Cowboys made it that way.

 

[LittleD]

Jerry holds all the cards. Zack is losing 50K per game and Jerry can go after more money if he misses pre-season games. Game checks will count almost a million per.

 

[buybuydandavis]

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Based on the comments by Jerry Jones in the interview in the attached video, it seems that Jerry is willing to pay Zack more if he's willing to extend his contract. But he doesn't want to just give Zack more money over the next two seasons, without a contract extension.​

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Skip to 7:30 mark in the video.​

Likely an evasion. The point of contention is probably not on an extension, but how much more Zach is being paid for whatever years he has on his contract, extended years or current years.
I could see Zach maybe wanting to get out of Dallas and get a ring elsewhere. But he probably just wants to get paid well for however many years he's under contract.

 

[LittleD]

Likely an evasion. The point of contention is probably not on an extension, but how much more Zach is being paid for whatever years he has on his contract, extended years or current years.
I could see Zach maybe wanting to get out of Dallas and get a ring elsewhere. But he probably just wants to get paid well for however many years he's under contract.

He wanted to be paid at the top of OG's and he wanted that ellusive long term deal which Jerry gave him. Now he wants more. Too bad...pound sand and see how much gold you get out of it.

 

[Techsass]

I have a hard time thinking this is a heated or angry argument going on. Then again I could be wrong, but I'm hoping it's more quibbling than a major crossroad.

 

[KingCorcoran]

There’s a way around the fines too. The new contract can simply add in to compensate , probably with signing bonus . C’mon Reid. You’re smarter than that .

So Jerry’s fining himself $50,000 per day while being reluctant to meet Martin’s demands. “C’mon” Jerry Jones is smarter than that.

 

[Rayman70]

Cant guess anything based from what Jerry says. He's the master at word salad. Stevie and Will McClay is who we need to be listening to on this. Jerry is just the crazy Uncle that they let play a role and THINK is in charge of the team, when in Reality, its not all him.

 

[Jipper]

If he agrees to a two year extension he can get more cash otherwise I think Jerry isbgoing to stick to his guns on this one - for better or worse I do like him holding the player to the contract that still has multiple years left on it...yes Martin has played at a high level but he was the top paid when the contract came.

 

[Diehardblues]

So Jerry’s fining himself $50,000 per day while being reluctant to meet Martin’s demands. “C’mon” Jerry Jones is smarter than that.

Nope. But when Martin gets a bigger deal it will more than make up for the fines. That’s why he’s not worried.

 

[Diehardblues]

Can you provide an example of an owner violating the terms of an agreement with a player, or for that matter, a player violating the terms of their agreement with a team?

Really. You don’t know of any players who have been released before their contract was fulfilled. Didn’t say it was violating the terms .

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

But again, you already are taking a massive cap hit for him next year and then dummy years after that. So this notion that extending Martin somehow creates a cap crisis is kind of preposterous at this point. You can redo his deal, lower next year's cap hit, absorb those dummy years and still have enough cap space to go and sign Parsons or Lamb in the next couple of years.

Plus, as the line is constituted, you need a really good RG because your RT and your C aren't exactly high level performers. You draw the line with Martin guess what? You probably need to start thinking about upgrading RT and C or going out and finding another elite OG like Martin. It's pretty simple to me, other than Dak, the next important piece on offense right now, based on how they have set up their offense, is Martin. You remove him from the equation, guess what? That "good OL" that you claim a team needs has real issues. The Cowboys made it that way.

what cap crisis?. all I said was I am not a big fan of having to make him the highest paying guard in the league. but that's up to jerry. as the GM he is responsible for the product on the field. if he can fit the highest paying guard under the cap and still sign Lamb, Parsons, then do it. we also have to think about Tyron probably in his last year, Tyler moving out and for us to fill that gap, or worse, tyler stays and we have to get a LT.

 

[Sydla]

He wanted to be paid at the top of OG's and he wanted that ellusive long term deal which Jerry gave him. Now he wants more. Too bad...pound sand and see how much gold you get out of it.

This myth needs to die. The longer term was Jerry's demand, not the other way around. The Cowboys push for longer deals to help spread out signing bonuses and help with restructures.

 

[Sydla]

what cap crisis?. all I said was I am not a big fan of having to make him the highest paying guard in the league. but that's up to jerry. as the GM he is responsible for the product on the field. if he can fit the highest paying guard under the cap and still sign Lamb, Parsons, then do it. we also have to think about Tyron probably in his last year, Tyler moving out and for us to fill that gap, or worse, tyler stays and we have to get a LT.

Yeah, which is another reason to not piss off your all pro RG. Why create another unnecessary hole on the OL?

 

[conner01]

That’s reasonable and his contract is setup to make that fairly easy with voidable years this was always gonna be the result and I don’t get why Martin made it into an issue. He has 2 years left on his deal. I get why a guy would be worried in the last year of a deal but that’s a next year issue

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yeah, which is another reason to not piss off your all pro RG. Why create another unnecessary hole on the OL?

the challenge is he signed the contract he did. I blame his agent for provisioning it the way he did. he could have put poison pills in the last two years, with inflated salary and force jerry to renegotiate.
he has two years left. next year. maybe he would have had better leverage.

 

[USArmyVet]

JJ already caved when he gave Dak a 4-year deal instead of the 5-year deal JJ wanted so what does it matter now if Zack doesn't want to add more years? If JJ was willing to give more money and less years to the wanna be qb why not give more money and less years to the best player Dallas has on offense?

 

[LittleD]

This myth needs to die. The longer term was Jerry's demand, not the other way around. The Cowboys push for longer deals to help spread out signing bonuses and help with restructures.

He signed that deal with his agent didn't he? He could have said no and went to FA after a tag year couldn't he. No one put a gun to his head and slavery is against the law.

 

[GMO415]

Zach man up and honor your contract.

 

[Sydla]

He signed that deal with his agent didn't he? He could have said no and went to FA after a tag year couldn't he. No one put a gun to his head and slavery is against the law.

Yes he did but like Tyron Smith, they agreed to longer term deals to help the Cowboys out. It's pretty well established that Jerry and Stephen like long term deals to help them manipulate the cap.

 

[Rayman70]

Jerry holds all the cards. Zack is losing 50K per game and Jerry can go after more money if he misses pre-season games. Game checks will count almost a million per.

Exactly. Zack is getting bad advice from someone. Money talks,bs walks