Zack Martin update - based on Jerry Jones comments

[KJJ]

They’ll get it done… in the meantime it is no bad thing for Martin to be getting rest.

He got plenty rest during the offseason, it’s time to get back to work and sharpen his game for the season opener.

 

[Sydla]

so if we are never going to go to superbowl with Martin, then we should just pay him 50M a year. he is key to everything

who are the guards on KC team that won the superbowl last year?

Uh, Joe Thuney was one and he signed a 5 year, $80MM contract with KC a few years ago.

 

[Sydla]

The more years you add, the more you can spread the singing bonus over and keep the cap hit low.

There is not a player agent that will not try to get Martin who is hands down the Best RG in the league as much as he possibly can while adding as few years as possible to his deal.

The only thing that's BS is your failing attempt to justify your wrong assumptions

Well, for starters, we know Jerry BSs in the media all the time. We also know he's going to be 33, so there is a limit to how far the team wants to go out into the future. If Jerry is wanting another 5 years out of him, that's a misstep on the part of Jerry.

Jerry has already kind of shifted his language on Martin in less than a week. So yeah, I think he's trying to spin a narrative here.

 

[Sydla]

When you have Mahomes and Reid you get a little more leeway. I would think that you would know that.

Where he's going anyway with this KC and their OGs point is incorrect anyway. KC literally has a similar situation as us with their one OG, Joe Thuney, being paid a ton. Thuney has the third highest total contract for OGs, right behind Martin.

 

[Flamma]

I agree, with Micah's playing style and the way they are using him on defense I want see how durable he is at the end of his Rookie contract. It would suck to sign him t a record deal next year and see him nicked up and missing time until the end of the contract.

That's not going to happen. Barring something tragic happening this year, Parsons will get an extension after this season. If you know for sure you want to keep a player, you don't let his contract expire.

Even if he gets an extension after this year, he still has to play his 4th rookie year and 5th year option. Any extension he gets doesn't start until 2026. The good thing about extending him after this season is because he still has two years left on his rookie deal that can be restructured. In other words, if he signs a 5 year extension, that money can be spread out over 7 years instead of just 5.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Uh, Joe Thuney was one and he signed a 5 year, $80MM contract with KC a few years ago.

google is nice. isn't it. nobody remembers the guards as they are almost the least important part of an offense.

so did they get there because of Thuney? or Because of Mahomes and Kelce?

and didn't KC win it without him in 2019 season?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

When you have Mahomes and Reid you get a little more leeway. I would think that you would know that.

agreed. of all the offensive position. guard is the least important (above FB). is OL not important? yes it is. but on the OL, its LT, RT, Center, then guards.

 

[Sydla]

google is nice. isn't it. nobody remembers the guards as they are almost the least important part of an offense.

so did they get there because of Thuney? or Because of Mahomes and Kelce?

and didn't KC win it without him in 2019 season?

You didn't know who Joe Thuney is? He's been one of the best OGs in football for a few years.

And yes, KC won the Super Bowl in 2019 and then two years later thought enough of Thuney to hand him one of the biggest OG contracts in history.

You should have just said, "Oh, looks like I got it wrong about KC and having no name OGs......"

 

[Corso]

Well, for starters, we know Jerry BSs in the media all the time. We also know he's going to be 33, so there is a limit to how far the team wants to go out into the future. If Jerry is wanting another 5 years out of him, that's a misstep on the part of Jerry.

Jerry has already kind of shifted his language on Martin in less than a week. So yeah, I think he's trying to spin a narrative here.

His brain. We also know he thinks his brain is 33.

 

[dargonking999]

Well, for starters, we know Jerry BSs in the media all the time. We also know he's going to be 33, so there is a limit to how far the team wants to go out into the future. If Jerry is wanting another 5 years out of him, that's a misstep on the part of Jerry.

Jerry has already kind of shifted his language on Martin in less than a week. So yeah, I think he's trying to spin a narrative here.

In the words of the Great One

It doesn't matter what you think

 

[shabazz]

In the words of the Great One

It doesn't matter what you think

I had no idea Mark Levin is known for saying that

 

[KingCorcoran]

These frikin owners can renege on their contracts and release players under contract why shouldn’t players be able to hold out for more.

Can you provide an example of an owner violating the terms of an agreement with a player, or for that matter, a player violating the terms of their agreement with a team?

 

[CTcowboy203]

an extension with a pay rise and a signing bonus big enough to cover any fine he ever incurs during his holdout

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You didn't know who Joe Thuney is? He's been one of the best OGs in football for a few years.

And yes, KC won the Super Bowl in 2019 and then two years later thought enough of Thuney to hand him one of the biggest OG contracts in history.

You should have just said, "Oh, looks like I got it wrong about KC and having no name OGs......"

but KC won the superbowl without Thuney? no?

and again, did they win because of Thuney? where did he rank in their offense last year?

 

[Flamma]

I had no idea Mark Levin is known for saying that

Me either.

 

[Sydla]

but KC won the superbowl without Thuney? no?

and again, did they win because of Thuney? where did he rank in their offense last year?

You started by basically thinking that KC last year's SB with no name guards. It's pointed out to you that their one OG was a highly paid, high level OG like Martin and now you want to talk about ranking his impact on the offense. I think it's clear you didnt realize that KC, in fact, was like Dallas with a highly paid OG.

Other than a QB, no one else on offense can really alter the trajectory of a franchise on their own. Not a WR, not a LT, not a TB, not an OG.

I am still trying to figure out what your overarching point is here. You seem OK with the Cowboys extending Martin, so what's your beef here?

 

[Flamma]

You started by basically thinking that KC last year's SB with no name guards. It's pointed out to you that their one OG was a highly paid, high level OG like Martin and now you want to talk about ranking his impact on the offense. I think it's clear you didnt realize that KC, in fact, was like Dallas with a highly paid OG.

Other than a QB, no one else on offense can really alter the trajectory of a franchise on their own. Not a WR, not a LT, not a TB, not an OG.

I am still trying to figure out what your overarching point is here. You seem OK with the Cowboys extending Martin, so what's your beef here?

I think the beef is paying Martin more for his last two years of his contract. An extension is fine. But you're not making more in your last two years.

 

[Captain-Crash]

"guys can't play forever, so get that money" I'm sure I read that on here. "get that money boyee"

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You started by basically thinking that KC last year's SB with no name guards. It's pointed out to you that their one OG was a highly paid, high level OG like Martin and now you want to talk about ranking his impact on the offense. I think it's clear you didnt realize that KC, in fact, was like Dallas with a highly paid OG.

Other than a QB, no one else on offense can really alter the trajectory of a franchise on their own. Not a WR, not a LT, not a TB, not an OG.

I am still trying to figure out what your overarching point is here. You seem OK with the Cowboys extending Martin, so what's your beef here?

99% of the folks wouldn't know the name of the guards. but fact is KC won it without Thuney and with Thuney. is that a difference make then?

am I saying Guard is a useless position on offense? no. its not. I have argued in the past, the OL works as a unit. it fails and succeeds together, where every other position you have to win your individual battle and if one piece fails, you can still find success (i.e. WRs, 3 can fail, one succeed, get him the ball, play suceeds). on the OL, if one piece fails, the whole thing fails regardless of what anybody else did. so my long winded point, I am not dismissing the notion that you can just put any bum in there.

but its about investing your money, with the limitations of the cap. do you invest 8-10% of your money in one guard. then what do you invest in LT, RT, Center. having the best guard is a luxuary. not a necessasity. if you are able to have the best guard, then great. but its not a precursor to a superbowl. Lindstrom is probably a top 3 guard in the league. are the falcons a superbowl contender? Quenton nelson is a top 5 guard. is indy a superbowl contender?

again, you need good OL. part of which is guard. having top 5 guard is a luxuary. if you can afford it. then great. otherwise, it doesn't guarantee a superbowl contender.

 

[Sydla]

I think the beef is paying Martin more for his last two years of his contract. An extension is fine. But you're not making more in your last two years.

I am still confused. Do people think what Martin wants is for the Cowboys to just increase his pay this year (which by the way, he's already been paid like 85% of his base) and next year and then go to FA in 2025?