Zeke Advanced Efficiency Stats

[Aviano90]

take away the 20 he had a 4.6 avg to Zekes 2.8

Yeah but if we take away Pollard's longest run we should do the same for Zeke. Subtract his 10 yard run and he averaged 2.4 ypc.

 

[khiladi]

The narrative that Zeke always faces a stacked box is untrue. The stats here prove it.

In 2020, he’s facing an average of 6.3 defenders in the box, per run. That average ranks 62nd among all running backs. Zeke faces an 8-man box only 12% of the time, which is the 39th most among all running backs. And against a stacked box, Zeke averages 2.0 yards per carry.

Zeke is average, at best. He’s not a home run threat anymore, and defenses know it.

So to all of the Zeke defenders out there: PLEASE, find a new argument to use, because the “he opens things up for the rest of the offense because he garners so much attention” angle is fake news.

Who says he’s facing all these stacked boxes this year, particularly when Dallas is down by like thirty by the second quarter? Again, anybody that knows Zeke, understands his greatness is in consistently feeding him throughout the game.

Zeke has been bad this year, but what do you expect when they’ve turned this offense into the Dak air-attack and Moore is pretty much throwing every time on first down out of shotgun?

Defenses figured out Moore like halfway through last season.

Further, Zeke RUNNING AGAINST STACKED BOXES is not the same as defenses PLAYING STACKED BOXES EVEN WHEN WE PASS. WHAT IS TRUE TODAY AS IT WAS YESTERDAY IS THIS OFFENSE IS PREDICATED COMPLETELY OFF PLAY-ACTION, MEANING THE THREAT OF ZEKE.

Is not Zeke’s fault we got “Boy Wonder” and this “Dak attack” garbage-time stats offense.

 

[khiladi]

And just for giggles, let’s compare Zeke to Dalvin Cook, by the same metrics.

Kind of embarrassing/scary, huh?

Cook faces a stacked box 35% of the time and still averages over 5 ypc. And don’t get me started on the drastic difference in big play capability between the two backs.

All of this doesn’t even start to mention the salary difference between the two. Cook just signed his extension at ~66% of the total $ value of Zeke’s contract.

That production margin is staggering.

And the Vikings actually consistently center the game plan around running the ball. If you look at the Advanced passing stats between the Vikings and Dallas this year for example, the Vikings have run a WHOPPING 6 RPO plays with 5 of them being RUNS and the one passing play, they netted 50 yards on it .

Dallas, on the other hand, has run 46 RPO plays, 37 of them have been PASS ATTEMPTS, while NINE of them have been runs. And only ONE of those RUNS was with DAK as QB, before he got injured meaning stat-padder. Dak apparently loves to ignore Zeke when given the choice these days, since he’s “become the man”... either that, or Dak is throwing when he’s supposed to, meaning because teams are always keying in on Zeke. Either way, it doesn’t look that good for Dak and Moore. But then again, Dallas has gone run with the other lack of skilled QBs in the game, meaning you can lean towards Dak more than Moore as who is to blame.

As “Dak-haters” stated all along, they have effectively wasted the best years of Zeke and the SB window to cater to this mediocrity at QB, tailoring the offense to this guy, based on short-term success his first season, where the offense was completely simplified for him and Linehan stuck to the run game. This is the “Dak-offense” all his fans were so giddy about. An offense that completely disappears on grass and the road, because Dak can only find dudes with a significant speed advantage on turf in man coverage. Like I said, it’s no surprise Dak completely blew against teams that defense play-action well in particular and why he disappears against teams like the Eagles in December in particular. And we did all this with all that talent at OL that we wasted and we are at the point, we need to rebuild the OL again.

It’s the Jason Garrett experiment all over again, but at QB...

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Go rewatch the steelers game....tell me how many yards he had after the 20 yard gain.

and this business of using the steelers game as a talking point is nuts even though your point is factually true. if you cant look at the 2 running backs and see how one hits the hole with much more excelleration and burst I cant help you.

Im not one who is pimping Pollard to start but he should be used more.

Sorry that I'm not gonna go through every single game and play. I merely used it as something that I noted FOR THE GAME MENTIONED.

Of COURSE it's a "talking point"...as is about 99% of whatever you read HERE.

If you think for one second....our #2 RB aren't notorious for obscene numbers then stinking up when they go #1...it's not me that is deluded.

I think it was mentioned Pollard wasn't even an NCAA #1.

Not sure where all the other plays you want him to have are gonna come from. Zeke only gets about 16 carries as it is.

I'm a little disappointed you been coming at me so hard from every angle. Oh well...it's the internet so.....

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

i cannot say why zeke's performance has fallen off like it has, only that it has. he is a shadow of his former self. and the fumbles have been the worst part of it.

That's the part that gets me. Where did this come from? I get lower production with all the issues. But FUMBLES? Come on man!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

.......

Since you got clever with your reply to me, I can't actually show your post. However...let me say this;

(I don't really love talking about picks from four years ago...or talk about money and contracts....but here goes anyway)

I think we both agree in 2016 that if it wasn't a perfect pick...it was a GOOD pick. So...maybe we should let that go? 2016 was a great year and I do think we BLEW IT! Out of pure superstition. Crazy. Anyway....

What I think SHOULD be in contention, is the crazy contract extension. I'd let you argue all day long THAT....was the true mistake

 

[khiladi]

That's the part that gets me. Where did this come from? I get lower production with all the issues. But FUMBLES? Come on man!

Zeke usually fumbles in the start of the year, only to correct his issues. That is how he started off his rookie season. Has he fumbled after the Dalton game? You need to keep giving him the rock.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Lol at comparing today's game to another era.

I feel the same way about people saying a pick form four years ago blows.

It's really the new contract that's the problem.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Zeke usually fumbles in the start of the year, only to correct his issues. That is how he started off his rookie season. Has he fumbled after the Dalton game? You need to keep giving him the rock.

I AGREE....except I haven't really noted this many bunched up before.

People think zeke can be elite (or just impactful) with 15 carries a game don't know zeke OR the game. The feed me sign may be annoying but real.

 

[khiladi]

I AGREE....except I haven't really noted this many bunched up before.

People think zeke can be elite (or just impactful) with 15 carries a game don't know zeke OR the game. The feed me sign may be annoying but real.

We are bottom fifth in running percentage among teams this year. We are fifth in passing percentage. We were probably much higher with Dak as QB in the latter respect. Using this year as a standard of Zeke’s play is utterly even more ridiculous, considering the OL and play-calling.

Dak in FIVE GAMES, is SIXTEENTH in passes off play-action, while every other QB, is a minimum of three games above him. In TERMS OF YARDAGE, he is still at SIXTH. He’s only played five freaking games. Before he went down, he was number 1 in yardage and top three or two in attempts.

This whole padding attack is built off the threat of the run, period. They have essentially turned Zeke into a DECOY to stat-pad Dak’s numbers...

 

[basel90]

everyone can see zeke was bad news once he was selected 4th . An attempt by jerry to pick another emmitt smith like star. Zeke is not even close. Most alarming early on and during his last year with ohio state is zeke's attitude and demeanor while at college. Alarm bells all over. Now we are paying for that.

 

[khiladi]

Zeke was drafted for Romo. It wasn’t a mistake that year and when he was the league-leading rusher and was betting over five yards a carry on first down. It was a mistake to keep the Jason Garrett QB in training in the pocket when Romo came back, when all the success of Dak was because of Zeke and the run game.

 

[CowboyFrog]

We are bottom fifth in running percentage among teams this year. We are fifth in passing percentage. We were probably much higher with Dak as QB in the latter respect. Using this year as a standard of Zeke’s play is utterly even more ridiculous, considering the OL and play-calling.

Dak in FIVE GAMES, is SIXTEENTH in passes off play-action, while every other QB, is a minimum of three games above him. In TERMS OF YARDAGE, he is still at SIXTH. He’s only played five freaking games. Before he went down, he was number 1 in yardage and top three or two in attempts.

This whole padding attack is built off the threat of the run, period. They have essentially turned Zeke into a DECOY to stat-pad Dak’s numbers...

So i wan't to make sure i understand what you're saying.....they were deliberatly pumping up the tagged QB stats while supressing the already paid a but load to RB's numbers.....say that in the mirror and see if you believe you......I mean most of us thought it was because the line was trash and the D was trash and the O kept turning the ball over so we had to pass to get back in the game....yup now that i read it out loud your thinking is much more reasonable.....

 

[Aviano90]

So i wan't to make sure i understand what you're saying.....they were deliberatly pumping up the tagged QB stats while supressing the already paid a but load to RB's numbers.....say that in the mirror and see if you believe you......I mean most of us thought it was because the line was trash and the D was trash and the O kept turning the ball over so we had to pass to get back in the game....yup now that i read it out loud your thinking is much more reasonable.....

 

[jazzcat22]

If Zeke needs a really good OL and a QB, then guess what? He's not elite.

It's really not that hard a concept to grasp. In order of importance, having an elite TB is behind OL and QB in terms of importance. Which is why it was dumb to pay Elliott all that money.

it is a team game, it all needs to work together, but some don’t understand the team sports concept. So they complain a put contracts.

 

[starfan1]

Sorry that I'm not gonna go through every single game and play. I merely used it as something that I noted FOR THE GAME MENTIONED.

Of COURSE it's a "talking point"...as is about 99% of whatever you read HERE.

If you think for one second....our #2 RB aren't notorious for obscene numbers then stinking up when they go #1...it's not me that is deluded.

I think it was mentioned Pollard wasn't even an NCAA #1.

Not sure where all the other plays you want him to have are gonna come from. Zeke only gets about 16 carries as it is.

I'm a little disappointed you been coming at me so hard from every angle. Oh well...it's the internet so.....

Steve how many times do we need to tell each other? I aint coming at you. Im coming at the notion that zeke is élite or was the best pick in 2016 . Im coming at the notion that Zeke hasnt lost burst or hasnt cost us games.Im coming at the notion that he is the grease that lubes the cowboy train when I have said all along it was the powerful offensive line. Once they hit the crapper so has Zeke. (well crapper is a bit extreme but hes regressed).

so one more question and put your ohio state bias behind you for a sec when you watch zeke and pollard or for that matter Henry or any of the other top backs can you not tell the difference in burst to and through the hole? The main thing Zeke has going for him is his power outside of that he does little for me. You and I have argued off and for 4 years about that Zeke pick and early on it was looking like you were right but the last 2 years what i thought would happened has and it happened fast.

The sad part is a times he looks as if he don't care and that's more serious than his physical lapses.

BTW Im planning on hearing you want the cowboys' to draft Fields. Am i off?

 

[Established1971]

Sorry that I'm not gonna go through every single game and play. I merely used it as something that I noted FOR THE GAME MENTIONED.

Of COURSE it's a "talking point"...as is about 99% of whatever you read HERE.

If you think for one second....our #2 RB aren't notorious for obscene numbers then stinking up when they go #1...it's not me that is deluded.

I think it was mentioned Pollard wasn't even an NCAA #1.

Not sure where all the other plays you want him to have are gonna come from. Zeke only gets about 16 carries as it is.

I'm a little disappointed you been coming at me so hard from every angle. Oh well...it's the internet so.....

ok we're bots not real people.

Listen we remember Michael Wiley who had seasons of 7.2 avg per carry and 7.6 then didnt make the team the next year and never played football again. But the guff you are getting isnt so much pro Pollard as it is anti Zeke. We all see his play getting worse each year. At this point he is a liability. You don't see that?

 

[Cmac]

If 90% of the team sucks, does that dismiss the obvious fact that Zeke sucks also? Should we give him a pass for underperforming and not being the best version of himself only because other players are underperforming also?

Look around this board. There are plenty of posts that criticize nearly every member of the Cowboys organization. But for whatever reason, you’re taking it personally when we point out that Zeke (who loves to gloat about being the engine of the Cowboys) is producing the same numbers that an UFA could.

Wrong JWooten….It's never personal. Got no investment in my take on Zeke. I just wonder why my eyes seem to be catch or address the underlying issues, roots to the issues, or obvious contributions to the issues....that tend to end at Zeke....and solely at Zeke, with the offense, or about the current fate of the team. And no one is clearing Zeke of short-comings and miscues (fumbles). I can't defend that part. I don't have a problem with his money that he got, based on when he got it.

And you're right....there are posts that criticize other members...…..some just as frequent, but we also have the protective orders, dismissals, or immunity, if those names happen to be SLee or the beloved JWitt. We read the words of leadership and future coaches, then. Just sayin'.

 

[Aviano90]

Wrong JWooten….It's never personal. Got no investment in my take on Zeke. I just wonder why my eyes seem to be catch or address the underlying issues, roots to the issues, or obvious contributions to the issues....that tend to end at Zeke....and solely at Zeke, with the offense, or about the current fate of the team. And no one is clearing Zeke of short-comings and miscues (fumbles). I can't defend that part. I don't have a problem with his money that he got, based on when he got it.

And you're right....there are posts that criticize other members...…..some just as frequent, but we also have the protective orders, dismissals, or immunity, if those names happen to be SLee or the beloved JWitt. We read the words of leadership and future coaches, then. Just sayin'.

Sean Lee and Jason Witten have taken a beating on these boards.

 

[Cmac]

Sean Lee and Jason Witten have taken a beating on these boards.

C'mon Aviano90.....just c'mon! Zeke is weekly.