Zeke exposes woman's breasts **merged**

[pupulehaole]

What a boneheaded move man.... Unbelievable.

 

[aria]

i cannot keep track any more.
i think everyone here is against rape and dv.
but there are disagreements on how much a pass are you allowed to make with your date.
some here says making any pass is breaking the law.
sure, it is against the letter of the law.

how many of us have made a pass at a girl in high school or college thinking she invited it or is ok with it.
based on the law, that is sexual assault.

can you imagine a shy 18 year old boy have to ask a shy 18 year old girl - "may i touch you" or "may i take off your clothes"
it is taking thousands of years of human history and turning it upside down.
go watch a movie of young kids dating.
anyone in the movie asking for permission for touching or kissing
good grief.

I don't think a shy 18 year old boy would pull down his shy 18 year old gf's shirt without her permission in public so hundreds of people could see her breasts.

If that's normal behavior to you where do you draw the line? Is it ok for me to walk up to some stranger and pull up her skirt? If she laughs, no harm but if she doesn't then I did something wrong. Does it really matter if they were acquaintances or friends? No it doesn't.

You're entire argument that Zeke did nothing wrong is based on the premise that she wasn't offended even though Zeke most likely didn't know whether or not she would be until after he did it. So by your logic, breaking the law/groping women prior to knowing how they feel about it is ok. If they're upset, it was wrong and should be punishable, if not then no harm done. Grab first ask questions later. Good way to end up in jail.

 

[waldoputty]

Yeah this is something we do actually agree with this topic. My job is a therapist and since 2003 I have worked with victims and sex offense and perpetrators of sex offense. As I'm getting older I am moving away from working with the offenders. My emotions just couldn't take it anymore. That's why I get a little heated with this topic. But going back to your point. With the way the law is written it is very easy to break the law. I've been in countless court rooms with my clients who are victims and I was there to support them. What I learned and am still learning is that this law is very exact and strict. The best analogy I can give is speeding. Everyone has been guilty of speeding but not everyone has been ticketed for it. So it comes down to intent and accountability. Technically if you go 1 mile over the speed limit you are breaking the law. So a cop can give you a ticket for going one mile over. But a majority of the time they won't. But if your driving recklessly then it's a different story. My experiences is the ones who got charged and sent to prison for sex offending were the ones who had the attitude that the girl/woman wasn't as important as getting their sexual needs met. So there's outright rape which everyone would say is wrong. Then when you get to the letter of the law it depends on attitude and intent. Like an example is would someone get charged if he and his wife or girlfriend got drunk and had sex. 99% of the time it would be no issue. But if the husband/boyfriend knew that the only way his significant other will have sex with him is to get her drunk then that's when things get messy. Cuz now your introducing a chemical to get your sexual needs met, that is considered rape. So yeah you are right, a majority of men have probably done something that they could get arrested for by the letter of the law. But the law is written for the majority of the people, it's written for the minority of men who will do anything then can and want regardless of how the woman feels. And then they justify their actions by blaming the victim.

Does that make sense at all?

Absolutely makes sense.
The law was written so the prosecutors can prosecute the difficult cases.
However, if applied to normal life, I would suspect 95% of us would be sexual predators.

I get it that you have seen a lot of bad, and those horrible people who used chemicals to get their ways deserve whatever was handed to them.
I think we all are aware of the famous case that may be still ongoing.
He deserves to be in jail and for a long long time.

The sad things is that to get the bad guys, normal day life has become more litigious.
I was half serious when I said I bet most movies with young adults dating would be featuring sexual assault.

When the law is so written, it actually invites normal men to feel prosecuted and actually help perpetuate the situation.

 

[superjoe]

Yeah this is something we do actually agree with this topic. My job is a therapist and since 2003 I have worked with victims and sex offense and perpetrators of sex offense. As I'm getting older I am moving away from working with the offenders. My emotions just couldn't take it anymore. That's why I get a little heated with this topic. But going back to your point. With the way the law is written it is very easy to break the law. I've been in countless court rooms with my clients who are victims and I was there to support them. What I learned and am still learning is that this law is very exact and strict. The best analogy I can give is speeding. Everyone has been guilty of speeding but not everyone has been ticketed for it. So it comes down to intent and accountability. Technically if you go 1 mile over the speed limit you are breaking the law. So a cop can give you a ticket for going one mile over. But a majority of the time they won't. But if your driving recklessly then it's a different story. My experiences is the ones who got charged and sent to prison for sex offending were the ones who had the attitude that the girl/woman wasn't as important as getting their sexual needs met. So there's outright rape which everyone would say is wrong. Then when you get to the letter of the law it depends on attitude and intent. Like an example is would someone get charged if he and his wife or girlfriend got drunk and had sex. 99% of the time it would be no issue. But if the husband/boyfriend knew that the only way his significant other will have sex with him is to get her drunk then that's when things get messy. Cuz now your introducing a chemical to get your sexual needs met, that is considered rape. So yeah you are right, a majority of men have probably done something that they could get arrested for by the letter of the law. But the law is written for the majority of the people, it's written for the minority of men who will do anything then can and want regardless of how the woman feels. And then they justify their actions by blaming the victim.

Does that make sense at all?

Sounds like the topic as it's progressed, hit home a bit.

Not to say some people aren't in need of help, and god bless those that can help those in need.

But lets not crush Zeke in a mountain of shame and bash him for going with it...she is also a part of the action, she isn't running to stop the float and get the cops, she isn't being victamized regardless of how feeble some would make her, she is also exploring the moment. Two concented adults.

 

[Philmonroe]

I'm so glad I'm not having a daughter, knowing some of you actually believe this garbage and will teach it to your sons.

A bunch of y'all are sounding like diet sexual predators in this thread, good Lord.

Does you saying such silliness as diet sexual predators make you feel more important about yourself? I just why so many of you do the same things you claim you are against against those who disagree? Insecure much because not knowing a person on here I doubt it's very few if any of those "predators" on here diet or otherwise and honestly it's sad that's galls weak retorts.

All in good fun. She didn't seem to mind if she hung out with him after the parade. Hardly a real sexual assault. Unless you were on that balcony you don't know what the circumstances were. You don't know what signals she was putting off. I have a pretty good idea though. If youve never been around the younger generation and the parties then you may be more shocked by this behavior. But it is not uncommon. His biggest mistake is thinking he is still in college. He's now a pro and should be much more discreet and that frat boy crap doesn't fly anymore.

Please save me the PC bro response about how you think I secretly hate women. Nobody loves women more than I.

Funny thing with bold is where is the proof of this hating women folks try to accuse you of because you disagree? They must have learned that in PC debate class 101.

lol now you are going to commit DV

we are full of double standards, are we not

Thats why I'm Leary of folks that parrot the current popular views. Then what's worse is the lie the person you quoted stated after that about a can of whoop not meaning physical. How often hasn't it meant something about violence? I don't I've ever heard it not used that way. What if the kids are smart enough to get their own scholarship or have their own money what then? That play wouldn't have worked on me because I had a scholarship bought my own car and if I got kicked out had money to get my own place. Wonder what daddy control freak can of whoop would've done to me lol. I'm a law abiding citizen though just saying wonder how things play out when your not in control

 

[TheCount]

Does you saying such silliness as diet sexual predators make you feel more important about yourself? I just why so many of you do the same things you claim you are against against those who disagree? Insecure much because not knowing a person on here I doubt it's very few if any of those "predators" on here diet or otherwise and honestly it's sad that's galls weak retorts.

What are you even talking about, man.

 

[waldoputty]

I don't think a shy 18 year old boy would pull down his shy 18 year old gf's shirt without her permission in public so hundreds of people could see her breasts.

If that's normal behavior to you where do you draw the line? Is it ok for me to walk up to some stranger and pull up her skirt? If she laughs, no harm but if she doesn't then I did something wrong. Does it really matter if they were acquaintances or friends? No it doesn't.

You're entire argument that Zeke did nothing wrong is based on the premise that she wasn't offended even though Zeke most likely didn't know whether or not she would be until after he did it. So by your logic, breaking the law/groping women prior to knowing how they feel about it is ok. If they're upset, it was wrong and should be punishable, if not then no harm done. Grab first ask questions later. Good way to end up in jail.

my 18 year old example is not in public.
i was referring to 2 young kids on a date.
how about the classic scene where he walks her home and they are facing each other for the first kiss.
the boy can ask "may i kiss you"
but he may barely be able to muster enough courage to make the approach.
by the law, if he kissed her without asking, he broke the law.

is it reasonable to pull down a stranger's skirt in public, probably not.
for all we know, zeke and this woman could have already had s*x in private and she was only embarrassed in public when he pulled down shirt.

though i have never been at mardi gras so i have no idea what happens there and are the social norms.

it is all a matter of degrees.
it is all a matter of unspoken communication.

 

[pancakeman]

Is she not?

No she's not.
In your thinking, what level of assault is justified by wearing a thin white top?
And what would a woman have to wear in order to make pulling off her clothes not okay?

 

[plymkr]

Sounds like the topic as it's progressed, hit home a bit.

Not to say some people aren't in need of help, and god bless those that can help those in need.

But lets not crush Zeke in a mountain of shame and bash him for going with it...she is also a part of the action, she isn't running to stop the float and get the cops, she isn't being victamized regardless of how feeble some would make her, she is also exploring the moment. Two concented adults.

I apologize if I came across condenscending. I was wrong. I just get heated with this topic. So no disrespect to you or Waldoputty. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to bury Zeke but I also don't want to enable him because he plays for my favorite team. I'm not trying to argue with you guys but at the same time I don't want to enable or minimize his actions.

 

[Philmonroe]

What are you even talking about, man.

Its not hard to understand what I'm saying but online you run into a lot of folks who don't understand simple stuff all of a sudden. A lot of y'all are phony and weak with all this stupid predator talk just because someone doesn't agree with you. Do I need to explain more or do I get more faux non understanding from you?

 

[waldoputty]

I apologize if I came across condenscending. I was wrong. I just get heated with this topic. So no disrespect to you or Waldoputty. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to bury Zeke but I also don't want to enable him because he plays for my favorite team. I'm not trying to argue with you guys but at the same time I don't want to enable or minimize his actions.

let's just say this.
zeke is setting a bad example.
but i dont think he is a predator, though none of us know him.

he is putting himself and the team at risk.
so he should stop the stupidity or go party outside the country.

if he really must, i recommend argentina, philippines and korea.
perhaps jerry should go with him and prevent himself from getting into more difficult pictures himself.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Man, I hope this girl doesn't start seeing dollar signs and tomorrow says Zeke exposed her without permission.

 

[superjoe]

Oh yes, the "she was asking for it" crowd speaks.

As I've asked others today. Please don't reproduce

Cuz of course, I'll be thinking of this post if I ever do...yawn.

 

[aria]

my 18 year old example is not in public.
i was referring to 2 young kids on a date.
how about the classic scene where he walks her home and they are facing each other for the first kiss.
the boy can ask "may i kiss you"
but he may barely be able to muster enough courage to make the approach.
by the law, if he kissed her without asking, he broke the law.

is it reasonable to pull down a stranger's skirt in public, probably not.
though i have never been at mardi gras so i have no idea what happens there and are the social norms.

it is all a matter of degrees.
it is all a matter of unspoken communication.

Listen, I get what you're saying but no matter where, when or who was involved what he did was stupid and WRONG. I hate to say it but he should get a minimum suspension. If anything, hopefully it will be a wake up call and keep him from making a bigger mistake in the future.

What he did not only had potential negative consequences for himself, possibly the girl (if she was offended), but also his team mates and fans. It was a dumb, thoughtless, selfish action.

People want to make excuses for him saying "he's still young, we were all like that". Sorry, being a multi millionaire dollar athlete in the NFL does hold you to a higher standard no matter how you look at it. He has much more responsibility and attention then the average guy his age and he needs to start acting like it.

 

[superjoe]

I apologize if I came across condenscending. I was wrong. I just get heated with this topic. So no disrespect to you or Waldoputty. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to bury Zeke but I also don't want to enable him because he plays for my favorite team. I'm not trying to argue with you guys but at the same time I don't want to enable or minimize his actions.

Totally understand.

 

[waldoputty]

Listen, I get what you're saying but no matter where, when or who was involved what he did was stupid and WRONG. I hate to say it but he should get a minimum suspension. If anything, hopefully it will be a wake up call and keep him from making a bigger mistake in the future.

What he did not only had potential negative consequences for himself, possibly the girl (if she was offended), but also his team mates and fans. It was a dumb, thoughtless, selfish action.

People want to make excuses for him saying "he's still young, we were all like that". Sorry, being a multi millionaire dollar athlete in the NFL does hold you to a higher standard no matter how you look at it. He has much more responsibility and attention then the average guy his age and he needs to start acting like it.

no argument here.
he is an idiot.
a short suspension may save him from something much worse.

 

[superjoe]

my 18 year old example is not in public.
i was referring to 2 young kids on a date.
how about the classic scene where he walks her home and they are facing each other for the first kiss.
the boy can ask "may i kiss you"
but he may barely be able to muster enough courage to make the approach.
by the law, if he kissed her without asking, he broke the law.

is it reasonable to pull down a stranger's skirt in public, probably not.
for all we know, zeke and this woman could have already had s*x in private and she was only embarrassed in public when he pulled down shirt.

though i have never been at mardi gras so i have no idea what happens there and are the social norms.

it is all a matter of degrees.
it is all a matter of unspoken communication.

Along with degrees, lets not even talk about gratification outside of what is considered social norm. Exhibitionism exists so does voyerism, so does a plethora of other trips, anyone who just turns off the lights and gets to the regular ole lever switchin was comming into this thread offended. Again, these are two adults people, lets let that marinate for a bit more than a minute.

Roger would be a fool to get himslef involved in this.

 

[AbeBeta]

Cuz of course, I'll be thinking of this post if I ever do...yawn.

Lessons to be learned about how to behave around women right here.

For those smart enough to realize their own shortcomings...

 

[waldoputty]

Along with degrees, lets not even talk about gratification outside of what is considered social norm. Exhibitionism exists so does voyerism, so does a plethora of other trips, anyone who just turns off the lights and gets to the regular ole lever switchin was comming into this thread offended. Again, these are two adults people, lets let that marinate for a bit more than a minute.

Roger would be a fool to get himslef involved in this.

i understand the exhibitionist part.
i have partake some myself but not in the same stupid way that put myself at legal risk.

he is one of the most highest profile players in the league.
and he is rich and absolutely a target.
this was just dumb dumber dumbest

he really needs some punishment so he does not go out of control.
he has 10% of Johnny Football in him and that needs to be brought under control before something bad happens.

 

[gmoney112]

No she's not.
In your thinking, what level of assault is justified by wearing a thin white top?
And what would a woman have to wear in order to make pulling off her clothes not okay?

She's not wearing a white wife beater?