Video: Zeke looks like Troy Hambrick in space

[kskboys]

Zeke has 1 run of 20 yards or more this season. One. All of the other top rushers in the league had 5 or 6. Zeke's longest is 27 yards. I am not taking anything away from Zeke, but how do you explain these facts? Is this something to worry about long term? The OL is giving him huge roles to run through and he is hitting the holes almost every time, which is the good. But the question is, is he getting the most out of those holes? Is he slowing down or just making poor decisions? I could argue he is just not making the right cuts at times - he's cutting inside instead of breaking outside, etc. But it could also be he doesn't trust his own speed anymore.

Call us crazy or whatever, I really don't care, but this thread or threads like it are not going to go away until Zeke breaks one for 50 yards or so. Right now he is a workhorse back getting paid like a home run threat.

Workhorse backs are more valuable than HR threats. So, you're saying he should be paid even more?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Man no one would ever give Heath 15 million.....talking about a lame point.....that’s just pure stupidity to even suggest that Heath is the caliber of Zeke at the safety position. And how many games have we won because of Zeke? You didn’t just see Sunday’s game? This is just dumb. If you don’t like him or didn’t want to sign him ok. But you don’t have to devalue him order to get your point across.

Yep, its a dumb point. Just like your point.

Zeke used to be the big dog here. Not anymore. Not sure what happened to him.

 

[Starforever]

Name one back in history who got a $108 million contract.

Why can't you answer my question, after all of that bloviating. Put some substance behind your message.

 

[kskboys]

How so? Zero TD's. Dak had 3 TD's. Defense won this one in reality.

You're rating stuff using strictly TD's? No wonder your line of thinking is flawed!!!!! There's a ton more to the game than scoring. Often the most important player is not the one who scores the TD. Zeke was a major factor in both of our last wins. He was a huge factor in controlling the clock and moving the ball down the field.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Workhorse backs are more valuable than HR threats. So, you're saying he should be paid even more?

Workhorse backs that cant hit homeruns aren't worth 15 million. I actually don't think any back is worth 15 million.

 

[kskboys]

Name one back in history who got a $108 million contract.

Salaries have gone up, so only the most recent salaries are relevant. And in today's game, the highest paid players are often simply the last one paid.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You're rating stuff using strictly TD's? No wonder your line of thinking is flawed!!!!! There's a ton more to the game than scoring. Often the most important player is not the one who scores the TD. Zeke was a major factor in both of our last wins. He was a huge factor in controlling the clock and moving the ball down the field.

Zeke is a volume back that gets his yards because of a great Oline and lots of carries. He's not carrying this offense and he is not some unstoppable force. He also cant score from anywhere on the field. NO way is he worth 15 million. A stable of backs would have similar stats and with a much cheaper price tag.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Workhorse backs are more valuable than HR threats. So, you're saying he should be paid even more?

There are a handful of backs that are both workhorse and home run threats. There are also plenty of RB by committees out there that have all the attributes.

 

[G2]

Zeke has 1 run of 20 yards or more this season. One. All of the other top rushers in the league had 5 or 6. Zeke's longest is 27 yards. I am not taking anything away from Zeke, but how do you explain these facts? Is this something to worry about long term? The OL is giving him huge roles to run through and he is hitting the holes almost every time, which is the good. But the question is, is he getting the most out of those holes? Is he slowing down or just making poor decisions? I could argue he is just not making the right cuts at times - he's cutting inside instead of breaking outside, etc. But it could also be he doesn't trust his own speed anymore.

Call us crazy or whatever, I really don't care, but this thread or threads like it are not going to go away until Zeke breaks one for 50 yards or so. Right now he is a workhorse back getting paid like a home run threat.

Who cares about individual runs when he ran for 140? Good lord.

 

[kskboys]

Workhorse backs that cant hit homeruns aren't worth 15 million. I actually don't think any back is worth 15 million.

I don't completely disagree w/ the pay. Overpaying a few positions always leads to early playoff exits. I would not have paid Zeke, I would've told him to play out his contract or sit out the next 3 years and make nothing while we franchise him and his prime passes him by.

Workhorse backs are the most important type of backs. "Hitting HR's" really doesn't mean all that much, it's more of a grey area that has a ton to do w/ what type of O a team is running and such.


From what I've seen, the best models of success, especially in this area, don't have one guy doing it all. In my conclusion, I'm seeing that who scores the TD is irrelevant. And using that one stat to come to a final conclusion makes the argument weak, IMO.

 

[kskboys]

There are a handful of backs that are both workhorse and home run threats. There are also plenty of RB by committees out there that have all the attributes.

Both? I'm not sure I see any. Gurley, there's one. Maybe Bell.

You're talking about a RB who is both a powerful chain mover, but fast enough to take it to the house from long distances. I don't see many at all.

 

[Batman1980]

Why can't you answer my question, after all of that bloviating. Put some substance behind your message.

I don't like Zeke and I never wanted him on the Cowboys. Runningbacks simply aren't worth that kind of cash.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I don't completely disagree w/ the pay. Overpaying a few positions always leads to early playoff exits. I would not have paid Zeke, I would've told him to play out his contract or sit out the next 3 years and make nothing while we franchise him and his prime passes him by.

Workhorse backs are the most important type of backs. "Hitting HR's" really doesn't mean all that much, it's more of a grey area that has a ton to do w/ what type of O a team is running and such.


From what I've seen, the best models of success, especially in this area, don't have one guy doing it all. In my conclusion, I'm seeing that who scores the TD is irrelevant. And using that one stat to come to a final conclusion makes the argument weak, IMO.

Looks we generally agree. However, I don't think it irrelevant that a back gets lots of TD's. Especially when a back like Zeke is typically leading the NFL in carries, he should have lots of TD's. Zeke should have 15 TD's minimum every year. He doenst great open field move and its a weakness of his.

When you get paid 15 million, you will get scrutinized. No different then Lawrence, Dak when it happens, ect….ect…..

 

[aikemirv]

Who cares about individual runs when he ran for 140? Good lord.

Cause he should have run for 200 - my eyes told me so!!!!!

 

[CowboyRoy]

Both? I'm not sure I see any. Gurley, there's one. Maybe Bell.

You're talking about a RB who is both a powerful chain mover, but fast enough to take it to the house from long distances. I don't see many at all.

Bell, Kamara, Gurley, McCaffrey, Chubb, Jacobs, Hunt. Probably leaving a few others out.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Cause he should have run for 200 - my eyes told me so!!!!!

It was a very good game by Zeke, but could have been much better. Plenty of backs that could have had that game with those holes.

 

[Whirlwin]

Well he had bigger problems than not being a RKG.......he wasn’t a NFL running back. Not a starter anyway.

He was a touchdown machine. Yeah it would definitely bigger problems but he still wasn't a Garrett guy

 

[aikemirv]

It was a very good game by Zeke, but could have been much better. Plenty of backs that could have had that game with those holes.

So plenty of backs could average 100 yards per game for their career...... Easy to say those things when you have absolutely no proof!

You people are in-sufferable!

 

[aikemirv]

Bell, Kamara, Gurley, McCaffrey, Chubb, Jacobs, Hunt. Probably leaving a few others out.

Oh please,

Gurley is done
Chubb has done it what - 1 year
Jacobs - 8 games
Hunt - really?
Kamara- a workhorse chain mover?

At least 2 on your list are close to accurate!

 

[G2]

It was a very good game by Zeke, but could have been much better. Plenty of backs that could have had that game with those holes.

He's tied for 2nd in the NFL for 1st downs, but you keep preaching individual run yards.