Zeke still fast

[G2]

Emmitt had one run of over 70 yards his entire career. It didn't seem to impair him all that much. Football is far more about a bunch of 3,4 and 5 yard runs than it is 75 yarders. If a back can consistently get you 3-5 yards he's more valuable than a back who can hit an occasional home run but gets trapped for losses or no gain a lot. 80 yards on 15 carries at a consistent 3-5 yards a pop is more valuable to an offense than 80 yards on 10 carries with one 60 yard run and 9 runs of 2-3 yards or less. Yes the 60 yarder will make a nice highlight. and that guy will have the gaudier ypc average. But that guy's team be in 2nd and 3rd and long a lot more and will punt a lot more.

 

[Joe Realist]

 

[Joe Realist]

 

[DonaldM]

That was from 2018 right? Never took his shirt off.

 

[Typhus]

I'll stop sleeping on it when he starts using it.

He has looked slower each year he has been in the league.

Like they keep adding weight to that ankle every season.

 

[Thomas82]

Emmitt had one run of over 70 yards his entire career. It didn't seem to impair him all that much. Football is far more about a bunch of 3,4 and 5 yard runs than it is 75 yarders. If a back can consistently get you 3-5 yards he's more valuable than a back who can hit an occasional home run but gets trapped for losses or no gain a lot. 80 yards on 15 carries at a consistent 3-5 yards a pop is more valuable to an offense than 80 yards on 10 carries with one 60 yard run and 9 runs of 2-3 yards or less. Yes the 60 yarder will make a nice highlight. and that guy will have the gaudier ypc average. But that guy's team be in 2nd and 3rd and long a lot more and will punt a lot more.

This sounds like a debate that we routinely had in the 90s.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

If Zeke was " still fast " – we would see it on the field.

and it was very important with him to maintain that "still fast " because he has never been overly elusive, he’s never been a big miss ‘em guy, he’s a one cut runner, he’s not one to be bobbing and weaving, stop and re-starting such as Emmitt.

And yeh I’ve heard the excuses too - “ oh he’s trying to be a more patient runner, not trying to overrun lanes, trying to pick his spots more, …
... " oh he’s lost 10 pounds in offseason."

- And then here’s the knee injury – when he still wasn’t showing 2016 burst prior to that injury.
When i think or hear the name of Zeke Elliott, i never think speed anymore. When i think of ZKE now, i think more of a Mark Ingram. a mere pounding bell cow.

- If Zke gets cut as a cap casualty next offseason, it will have nuthin to do with running with more patient, or knee injury, or how we always run up the middle,
Kellen moore, or how many touches ZKE gets,..
It will be because we are dishing way too much cap money to a back that is clearly on the decline and clearly no longer has Adrian Peterson-like burst and impact.

If you OBJECTIVELY look at the video I posted above...you can see zeke running away from people. This notion that YOU "can;t see it on the field" is because a) you either don;t want to or b) you can;t admit zeke is still a viable NFL RB.

The very first play zeke BURSTS through the line for a TD.
The second play....he runs past 3-4 guys before getting engulfed.
3rd play...he powers into the goal line even with ZERO push or hole by the o-line.
4th play...makes a cut back and powers into the goal line.
5th play....shows some speed getting to the next level and powers FORWARD for a couple extra
6th play...powers into BARELY a hole for the score.

and this 7th play...shows how much full of horse ship you are. Zeke makes a cut, squeaks through a decent hole..and outruns the defense for a huge gain.

I've had about enough spelling this out...I SEE IT ON THE FIELD. If you don't...just admit you hate him and want him gone...but not for the reasons you claim...because this video shows you are wrong.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Emmitt had one run of over 70 yards his entire career. It didn't seem to impair him all that much. Football is far more about a bunch of 3,4 and 5 yard runs than it is 75 yarders. If a back can consistently get you 3-5 yards he's more valuable than a back who can hit an occasional home run but gets trapped for losses or no gain a lot. 80 yards on 15 carries at a consistent 3-5 yards a pop is more valuable to an offense than 80 yards on 10 carries with one 60 yard run and 9 runs of 2-3 yards or less. Yes the 60 yarder will make a nice highlight. and that guy will have the gaudier ypc average. But that guy's team be in 2nd and 3rd and long a lot more and will punt a lot more.

I got into a fight with cowboyroy when he said "zeke is only great because of amount of carries". When I showed him Emmitts carries numbers he blocked me.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Lol, "the only thing Pollard is better at is being a dynamic runner, making big plays, being a dangerous receiver, a great kick returner, and ball security.....other than that, Zeke is better!"

LOL you had the NERVE to change what he said and put it in quotes? Revisionist. And lying about what people actually said. Unbecoming at the least.

jazzcat22 said: ↑
Only thing Pollard has on Zeke, is he is shiftier, quicker on his cuts.
Zeke will bounce back, just needs to stay healthy, but they all do.
Even Pollard with his heel issue. That is harder to overcome and not to reoccur as opposed to slight knees sprains or tears.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

So here we are arguing over a guy that gave everything to this team...and should we put his face in the dirt and stomp it in hard NOW or next year.

Unbelievable.

 

[3rdEyewarrior]

Emmitt had one run of over 70 yards his entire career. It didn't seem to impair him all that much. Football is far more about a bunch of 3,4 and 5 yard runs than it is 75 yarders. If a back can consistently get you 3-5 yards he's more valuable than a back who can hit an occasional home run but gets trapped for losses or no gain a lot. 80 yards on 15 carries at a consistent 3-5 yards a pop is more valuable to an offense than 80 yards on 10 carries with one 60 yard run and 9 runs of 2-3 yards or less. Yes the 60 yarder will make a nice highlight. and that guy will have the gaudier ypc average. But that guy's team be in 2nd and 3rd and long a lot more and will punt a lot more.

Barry be emmitt. Barry couldn’t put drives together because he lost yards too much.

 

[RonnieT24]

This sounds like a debate that we routinely had in the 90s.

I got into a fight with cowboyroy when he said "zeke is only great because of amount of carries". When I showed him Emmitts carries numbers he blocked me.

Yeah I am constantly amazed at the number of people who don't understand the value of a chain mover at running back. A guy who can keep his team out of 2nd and 3rd and long and who can convert 3rd and short to 1st and 10 is worth his weight in gold. Throw in a guy who will sacrifice his body in pass protection and you simply do what you have to to keep that guy. I'm not here to debate whether Zeke is worth his contract. Whether he's performing to that level or not is immaterial at this point. He DID earn that contract by being the best back in football for three years. And no one will convince me that had we not shifted into a pass all the time offense he would certainly be performing at closer to that level than what we see now. If people want to put some of that on him and his "decline" then fine.. that's fair.. What's not fair is to blame him because the OC won't give him the ball and will only give it to him up the gut behind a struggling offensive line when he does. That's not on him and I refuse to get mad at him over things he has no control over.

 

[RonnieT24]

Barry be emmitt. Barry couldn’t put drives together because he lost yards too much.

Yeah if I recall correctly Barry lost something like 3000 yards in his career.... Can you imagine how many 2nd and 15s that resulted in? I am always reminded of the poll they took when Emmitt was about to break Payton's record.. They asked fans, players, and coaches and GMs which player they preferred.. Barry or Emmitt.. The results came in something like fans preferred Barry 60/40.. Players Barry 55/45.. but coaches and GMs favored Emmitt 55/45. So the people who like to watch highlights loved Barry.. Predictable. The people who had to chase them both thought Emmitt was easier to corral. Which was true.. even though in reality he wasn't any easier to tackle. But the people who get fired when the team doesn't win enough games preferred Emmitt. That was a telling survey to me. Barry was far and away the more exciting runner and the bigger big play threat.. Emmitt was just the better football player.. Which one you prefer is your affair.. but give me the guy who moves the chains, blocks, catches and plays winning football over the guy who generates highlights all day every day.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Yeah I am constantly amazed at the number of people who don't understand the value of a chain mover at running back. A guy who can keep his team out of 2nd and 3rd and long and who can convert 3rd and short to 1st and 10 is worth his weight in gold. Throw in a guy who will sacrifice his body in pass protection and you simply do what you have to to keep that guy. I'm not here to debate whether Zeke is worth his contract. Whether he's performing to that level or not is immaterial at this point. He DID earn that contract by being the best back in football for three years. And no one will convince me that had we not shifted into a pass all the time offense he would certainly be performing at closer to that level than what we see now. If people want to put some of that on him and his "decline" then fine.. that's fair.. What's not fair is to blame him because the OC won't give him the ball and will only give it to him up the gut behind a struggling offensive line when he does. That's not on him and I refuse to get mad at him over things he has no control over.

I think people use the contract thing to make it look like they are REALLY in the know they have General Manager skills that regular Joe fans cannot possibly possess.

Real fans don't give s ht about "meeting contract expectations". Do you help the team win. DO you perform your duties. Do you do what is asked of you and then some?

Managers of all industries are often forced to get results based on personnel they have no control over. Do you give them the best possible opportunities and adapt to their skill set? If not you might fail as a manager.

Many of these fans that think they know so much and are so much better than others......fail. They look at the easy surface stats and don't have the the skillset to analyze more complex facts.

I really like what you do here ronnie....you keep it real...by admitting Zeke of course has some "decline". I mean why WOULDN't a player have decline when having one of the best rookie seasons ever? But understanding there's a lot more going on than just that. Fight the good fight!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Yeah if I recall correctly Barry lost something like 3000 yards in his career.... Can you imagine how many 2nd and 15s that resulted in? I am always reminded of the poll they took when Emmitt was about to break Payton's record.. They asked fans, players, and coaches and GMs which player they preferred.. Barry or Emmitt.. The results came in something like fans preferred Barry 60/40.. Players Barry 55/45.. but coaches and GMs favored Emmitt 55/45. So the people who like to watch highlights loved Barry.. Predictable. The people who had to chase them both thought Emmitt was easier to corral. Which was true.. even though in reality he wasn't any easier to tackle. But the people who get fired when the team doesn't win enough games preferred Emmitt. That was a telling survey to me. Barry was far and away the more exciting runner and the bigger big play threat.. Emmitt was just the better football player.. Which one you prefer is your affair.. but give me the guy who moves the chains, blocks, catches and plays winning football over the guy who generates highlights all day every day.

Is there a stat of Barry running sideways and backwards?

I bet it's as much as forwards.

 

[lk8701]

I still don't understand the thought process behind taking this guy. They let DeMarco Murray go beaucse they didn't want to pay big money to a RB. Then they proceed to use a top 4 pick on an RB and pay him big money. So many studs at premium positions were available Ramsey, Buckner, and Stanley. This is like wasting money on a gas guzzling sports car instead of paying your mortgage. Completely irresponsible.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I still don't understand the thought process behind taking this guy. They let DeMarco Murray go beaucse they didn't want to pay big money to a RB. Then they proceed to use a top 4 pick on an RB and pay him big money. So many studs at premium positions were available Ramsey, Buckner, and Stanley. This is like wasting money on a gas guzzling sports car instead of paying your mortgage. Completely irresponsible.

It's easy to sit HERE and criticize. After the fact.

They actually tried to employ what many of YOU critics asked for. DON:T PAY THE BIG CONTRACT.

Right? Yes right.

But when Zeke made Dak.....a RARE fete in modern NFL football.....what else could they do?

They did not plan on Kellen Moore being a complete IDIOT tool. They gave him the power then he wanted NCAA Mountain West Coast passing numbers. Couldn't figure out how to use Zeke and tony together (or really never wanted to) . THEN couldn't figure out how to make an NFL O line even with injuries like almost EVERY NFL team has to do. .

And Kellen is STILL here. Just like Jason Garrett.

But it's all zeke's fault.
Come on man.

 

[G2]

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

You have the balls to tell me zeke has no burst or speed....at 2:06...


good god darn...you guys are pure HATERS.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

We have the dumbest fanbase in sports.