Zeke will lead the NFL in yards from scrimmage

[Silver N Blue]

Why is that more realistic? 600 yards less than Murray? He's going to get Minimum 20-25 carries a game. He's our workhorse. Will get much more than 1200 yards

If they keep both dmac and Morris I don't see them running him into the ground...besides check all the top rookie rbs who were drafted early they didn't blow it away their first season..Emmitt for example had like 977 yards or close to it. I'm not saying he won't exceed that but those are my expectations which equate to a very very good rookie year. I remember Dickerson leading the league as a rookie but i don't recall anyone else.

 

[Stash]

That's the way you see it.

Yep. Anyone not wanting to place expectations on it is afraid. Afraid of setting the bar too high and being disappointed.

 

[gimmesix]

Yep. Anyone not wanting to place expectations on it is afraid. Afraid of setting the bar too high and being disappointed.

I have my own idea of what disappointing would be and it isn't tied to specific numbers. That has nothing to do with fear of being disappointed. If you think there's no way Elliott can be a disappointment just because someone doesn't want to put a number on something that's unforeseen, your mind works differently than mine.

You're trying to measure something without knowing all the dimensions. I prefer to see the dimensions first so I'll be able to correctly judge what the outcome should be.

 

[gimmesix]

Yep. Anyone not wanting to place expectations on it is afraid. Afraid of setting the bar too high and being disappointed.

Have you put a number on how many sacks you expect Tapper to have?

How about TD catches by Bryant?

How about the number of sacks allowed by Smith?

I don't need to do those things to decide whether those players disappointed me or whether they played up to my expectations.

 

[Stash]

I have my own idea of what disappointing would be and it isn't tied to specific numbers. That has nothing to do with fear of being disappointed. If you think there's no way Elliott can be a disappointment just because someone doesn't want to put a number on something that's unforeseen, your mind works differently than mine.

You're trying to measure something without knowing all the dimensions. I prefer to see the dimensions first so I'll be able to correctly judge what the outcome should be.

And then change your opinion to fit events accordingly.

 

[Stash]

Have you put a number on how many sacks you expect Tapper to have?

How about TD catches by Bryant?

How about the number of sacks allowed by Smith?

I don't need to do those things to decide whether those players disappointed me or whether they played up to my expectations.

I'd be fine doing that. As long as cost for each is also taken into consideration.

Having expectations isn't a bad thing, not by a longshot. Not having them seems much more detrimental. When you have none, you're free to lower the bar as low as you need to in order to make things fit.

 

[gimmesix]

I'd be fine doing that. As long as cost for each is also taken into consideration.

Having expectations isn't a bad thing, not by a longshot. Not having them seems much more detrimental. When you have none, you're free to lower the bar as low as you need to in order to make things fit.

To me, you can have expectations without putting a number on it.

I expect my employees to work hard and give me all the stories they can produce each day. However, despite running five local news stories a day in our small daily paper, I do not get mad when they fail to produce 2 to 3 stories per day. The reason for that is some stories take longer to develop than others. Some are just more involved. So my expectations vary, but they are still there and if I don't get what I perceive to be the right amount of production out of them, I let them know about it.

Similarly, I don't see a need to say Elliott has to rush for 5.0 yards per carry, at least 1,500 yards and 10 TDs because I don't know how the season will unfold. That doesn't mean I don't have expectations for Elliott that I won't be able to judge by his play. My bar is set high, but not by specific numbers. It could be that he rushes for 5.0 YPC and I'm disappointed in him because the line blocked well enough for him to break off several long runs that would have pushed that average even higher. It could be that he rushes for 4.3, but converts every short-yardage opportunity he has and scored 20 TDs. I don't know and that's why I'm not into setting a numerical bar.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

There are just too many factors to consider to put a number on it. I can say that if our offense is healthy and Elliott averages less than 4 yards per carry then there's probably no good reason for that. Still, playing the numbers game without seeing how the season unfolds is an exercise in futility.

For example, Romo had more interceptions (7) than TDs (5) last year. That meant he was a bad QB, right? Hardly, if you look deeper than just those numbers.

Yeah, sorry, I am not following where this post is leading. I don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying, I just don't understand how it relates to what I posted previously.

 

[gimmesix]

Yeah, sorry, I am not following where this post is leading. I don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying, I just don't understand how it relates to what I posted previously.

After looking back, my post didn't really relate to what you posted. Kind of pulled my discussion with stash into it.

 

[jnday]

I agree with that. The only reason why he wouldnnt is if they go RB by committee.

The RBBC ideal was flushed when Zeke was drafted. It was tried do to circumstances and it didn't produce the desired results.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

After looking back, my post didn't really relate to what you posted. Kind of pulled my discussion with stash into it.

NP. As I said earlier, I do agree with what you said in general.

 

[jnday]

Yep. Anyone not wanting to place expectations on it is afraid. Afraid of setting the bar too high and being disappointed.

I have some high expectations , but all of these unrealistic predictions are not considering that Zeke is a rookie. He should have a great rookie season, but it will take another year or two to get him to the top of his game. He should have more impact than any other rookie , but as a rule, rookie's don't have a great impact anyway.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If they keep both dmac and Morris I don't see them running him into the ground...besides check all the top rookie rbs who were drafted early they didn't blow it away their first season..Emmitt for example had like 977 yards or close to it. I'm not saying he won't exceed that but those are my expectations which equate to a very very good rookie year. I remember Dickerson leading the league as a rookie but i don't recall anyone else.

Earl Campbell lead the NFL in rushing in his rookie year. He also won the ROY, NFL OPY and was named to the All - Pro 1st team.

 

[Stash]

I have some high expectations , but all of these unrealistic predictions are not considering that Zeke is a rookie. He should have a great rookie season, but it will take another year or two to get him to the top of his game. He should have more impact than any other rookie , but as a rule, rookie's don't have a great impact anyway.

Rookie running backs? I beg to differ. And, again, it was one of the points the 'Zeke Freaks' used over and over again in campaigning for the choice. Not about to change that now.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Earl Campbell lead the NFL in rushing in his rookie year. He also won the ROY, NFL OPY and was named to the All - Pro 1st team.

Thx couldn't remember the second one when I was typing.

 

[dallasdave]

If they keep both dmac and Morris I don't see them running him into the ground...besides check all the top rookie rbs who were drafted early they didn't blow it away their first season..Emmitt for example had like 977 yards or close to it. I'm not saying he won't exceed that but those are my expectations which equate to a very very good rookie year. I remember Dickerson leading the league as a rookie but i don't recall anyone else.

Dallas can give him rest with stable of RB's they will have this year !!!

 

[fredp22]

As Parcell use to say "before we put him in the HOF...".
I wanted Zeke as much as anyone but this guy has to get acclimated to the NFL, the team/playbook, and in the beginning will be part of a 3 to 4 man rotation. Emmitt in his first year running behind a good line took 1/2 year before he started to feel comfortable with the team and the team with him.
I'm not setting any goals for year. Just want to see steady improvement and hope he finishes year strong.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Dallas can give him rest with stable of RB's they will have this year !!!

Not too much rest I still see Zeke getting 20 total touches each week.

 

[Doomsday101]

I just commented on another thread my expectation is Elliott is at least in the top 3 RB at the end of the season.

 

[Redball Express]

My concern is that Zeke will lead the league and be over worked. After going thru a lot of reports of our draft grade, I keep reading that our draft this year will play out well in the future. Lets all hope that Zeke is not overworked to a point he is less effective when this so called future appears.

I'm wondering if with this OL..

we can't go to a 2 back offense?

Seems to me that not just having a blocking lead back for whomever is starting at halfback would be wise.

You would stop the stacking of the defense to stop Elliott and force the defense to go single coverage out of the backfield.

Not to mention playfaking to Elliott and throwing downfield to give him a rest.

I think we all see the possibilities but worry we just go back to burning out our new toy Elliott before he even has a career.

My concern is not so much how he is used but how often.

I don't see DMac playing a fullback position but Morris could..he's built lower to the ground and compact.

Dunbar has no real place in the backfield now so it should be interesting.