Zeke's first game stats comparison

[noshame]

I think we are all disappointed in week 1 statistical performance of Zeke.
So many already calling him a bust and making fun of the ROY talk.
So I took a look around the league to put our running struggles into some perspective.

Zeke Elliott 20 for 51 = 2.5ypc
Tevin Coleman 8 for 22. =2.8ypc
Adrian Peterson 19 for 31. =1.6ypc
TJ Yeldon 21 for 39. =1.9ypc
Doug Martin 18 for 62 = 3.4ypc
Lasean McCoy 16 for 58 = 3.6ypc
Demarco Murray 13 for 42 = 3.2ypc
Devonta Freemen 11 for 20 = 1.8ypc
Derrick Henry 5 for 3 yards = 0.3 Ypc
Arian Foster 13 for 38 = 2.9 ypc
Thomas Rawls 12 for 32 = 2.7ypc
Lamar Miller 28 for 106 = 3.8ypc

Emmitt Smith 1st game. 2 for 2 yards- 1ypc

It seems to be that running the ball effectively just wasn't happening today in the league.

Its way too early for people to panic on Zeke's first game. (but man it did suck)

Where's morris #s?

 

[noshame]

Look the giants did exactly what they said they were going to do, take away the run and short game. Our OC had knowledge of this yet made zero adjustments. If you want to point a finger yesterday...

Also Morris is a pro, if he got to the line and there was no hole he veered off, the rookie did what he was told and ran into the gap where there was supposed to be a hole. Rookie learning curve.

 

[haleyrules]

Exactly, Big Jerry wanted his #4 pick in the draft to have a good debut and what Big Jerry wants supercedes any silly notions of winning a game. I can't wrap my mind why Little Jerry stopped running Morris when it was working.

I mean we are talking about a coach who iced his own kicker to lose a game. Winning is not important to these losers. As fans we have to come to the terms that this is not a winning organization. Winning means more to the fans than Big Jerry and his puppet Little Jerry.

lol. Because thats how he coaches..if something is working...stop doing it!! He is too smart for his own good. a good coach would ride a success until the enemy found a way to stop it. Jason always does it for them. Go figure it out.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I think we are all disappointed in week 1 statistical performance of Zeke.
So many already calling him a bust and making fun of the ROY talk.
So I took a look around the league to put our running struggles into some perspective.

Zeke Elliott 20 for 51 = 2.5ypc
Tevin Coleman 8 for 22. =2.8ypc
Adrian Peterson 19 for 31. =1.6ypc
TJ Yeldon 21 for 39. =1.9ypc
Doug Martin 18 for 62 = 3.4ypc
Lasean McCoy 16 for 58 = 3.6ypc
Demarco Murray 13 for 42 = 3.2ypc
Devonta Freemen 11 for 20 = 1.8ypc
Derrick Henry 5 for 3 yards = 0.3 Ypc
Arian Foster 13 for 38 = 2.9 ypc
Thomas Rawls 12 for 32 = 2.7ypc
Lamar Miller 28 for 106 = 3.8ypc

Emmitt Smith 1st game. 2 for 2 yards- 1ypc

It seems to be that running the ball effectively just wasn't happening today in the league.

Its way too early for people to panic on Zeke's first game. (but man it did suck)

This isnt really uncommon. Alot of times it takes an OL a game or two in the regular season to get uncorked

 

[DallasDomination]

It looked like Zeke literally had no room to run. The Oline was terrible run blocking all game. But the funny thing is Morris looked good. So either Morris had the better vision or he got the lucky breaks with holes. Either way it was disappointing.

 

[starfrombirth]

Most cocerning thing is most of those guys didn't ahve the OL Zeke had. Flip side of that is most of those guys didn't have a rookie QB starting with them.

I'm not worried but I still think we should ease him in and play Morris more.

Most of those guys didn't have their top receivers dropping 75% of their passes not opening up the running game. When the Giants said they were gonna make Dak beat them, I had no idea they actually meant... receivers.

 

[Floatyworm]

He needs to get better.

We drafted a RB 4th overall in the draft. I give the Giants (especially Harrison) a lot of credit but today was not near worth the pick.

Jaylon Ramsey looked pretty good by the way and our defense could use him and just about anyone else with a lick of talent.

He needs to lose some weight and get quicker...Morris is making him look like he's running w/ ankle weights.

 

[CouchCoach]

Remember that article from Tony Dungy explaining how to beat a rookie QB?
Amazing that the giants did the exact thing that Dungy said to do and our coaching staff actually played the fools part so well. They did exactly what I thought they would...And we did exactly what they thought we would.

Carson Wentz was allowed to play the whole position today and the eagles won.
Prescott and Zeke were forced to play in a limited predictable offense and we lost.

The Eagles have a better defense and we're playing the Browns. Not really a good comparison.

 

[starfrombirth]

People need to step away from the ledge... It's one damn game. I've been a fan for 35 years. Fans want and demand immediate success from players and coaches these days. Didn't use to be that way.

Zeke and Dak both flashed at different points in the game yesterday. They also both showed that they are rookies as well. Patience friends. We won't know what we truly have in either player until they get more games under their belt.

Also-- we simply HAVE to tip our hats to the NYG D. They showed up and played very well and frustrated our OL. We should have more room to run next week.

I disagree... a little bit. I think we have something good in Dak. A lot of people are lamenting because he didn't push the ball down the field. People... he tried! Our receivers were covered and when he did throw to them, they dropped the damn ball. Beasely literally dropped 3 passes that would have kept the drive alive or scored a touchdown. The great Dez Bryant couldn't come down with his bread and butter play and outside of that couldn't shake 1 vs 1 coverage. The reason Witten is such a large part of the game plan is because he is the ONLY one who can get open consistently. Dak did great with what he was given.

 

[CouchCoach]

If you get the chance to watch the game again, watch how the Giants line up when Zeke is in the game vs Morris. The Giants came with one game plan on defense, make Dak throw and with 45 attempts I'd say they were successful, he shouldn't have had more than 25 under normal circumstances but a rookie QB and RB aren't normal.

This is the D template that the Cowboys coaching staff must beat and they're going to be challenged with receivers dropping passes and featuring a very his prime TE, they cannot continue that offense.

In Zeke's defense, he, like too many here, thought what he saw in Seattle was real. He found out it wasn't and NFL front 7's aren't like Big 10's. When he played in college, the best D in the Big 10 was his.

One observation about yesterday and maybe some here saw the same thing I did. Did any teams look like world beaters to you? There was a lot of sloppy play and it did not look like a lot of these players were ready for the real season.

I am confident that Zeke will get better now that he knows what it's like in the real season. He got schooled yesterday and knows once these guys play for money, it elevates their play.

 

[StarWiz2]

Yes, the Giants D was so good, they got pushed around all over the field in the first half, and would have been in a 21 point deficit if Dez or Beas had shown up in crunch time. And imo, Dak got tired in the second half. There is no excuse for a rookie QB throwing 45 times with the rbs we have in Morris and Zeke. That is insanely stupid even with a stacked box. And there are ways to circumvent that in the passing game. But that would require a squirrel finding some creative nuts. We have two squirrels, J and S, lacking them big time. This is why Garrett cannot win without Romo. Romo audibles out of dumb play calling.

I am so done with Garrett. He has finally worn me down, and punched me in the mouth one too many times with his anal, strait jacket play calling. When I read that Dak had learned the entire playbook in a short amount of time, I was sort of impressed, but not really, if you know what I mean. I would imagine it would be like reading a Dick and Jane primer for backup QB's who are instructed to never call an audible and do what they're told. Dak did that yesterday. And he lost. Weeden did that last year and he lost. Cassell says he wasn't given any guidance from anybody. And he lost. Ok, even allowing for exaggeration, or sour grapes, the evidence shows there is a grain of truth in what they're saying. Like 1 - 13 without Romo.

If Dak wants to lead the team to a win, he better get a little more assertive and chuck plays like screen passes to cement footed Witten out the door. Call a few audibles, stuff like that. Tell Garrett and Linehan to go find some nuts, even. Until yesterday, I had never heard of gaining additional yards to punt. Why doesn't Garrett just wave a white flag? That was mind boggling to me, and the final punch to my mouth. And yes, I'm that important.

And I wouldn't be surprised, if even JJ and SJ are beginning to sense they have a bus driver driving their precious Farrari. Not that it matters. Dog forbid they hire another head coach to train!

 

[Cowboy_Shawn]

Morris had better lanes to run. Zeke didn't. Zeke was game planned/keyed on... Morris was the backup coming in... Kinda like how Joseph Randle, Troy Hambrick, any backup looks at times because teams aren't accounting for them as much. Not saying Morris is them... Just saying, give Zeke the lanes Morris had and he would have made more out of his night. That simple. Zeke hardly had anything blocking wise... But of course backs always look better when they have holes to run through.

I don't buy that at all. He's a rookie with about 15 plays under his belt. If anything Morris was the guy who the Giants had more tape on and should have been better prepared for.

Zeke's problem was he was too impatient at times. But I also think he should have received more running opportunities with Dak under center. The Cowboys seemed to have more success on the ground when they just lined up and ran downhill from traditional power run formations.

 

[Phoenix]

He definitely was the better back. Even dating back to preseason one could make the argument that Morris looked better and had earned the right to start.

Morris was definitely the RB with the "hot hand" in this game. Should have given him more carries. But NOOO, had to be stubborn and keep running someone doing their finest Troy Hambrick impersonation.

 

[Sydla]

Are people really worried about Zeke? He'll be fine.

The real question is when we look back after he's had a nice career here in Dallas, will we think he was worth the 4th pick. People that said he was worth the 4th pick said he was the next AP. We'll see.

 

[dbonham]

I was more disappointed with the run blocking than Zeke. Vernon is a handful too, that's quite a line they bought in NY.

 

[Floatyworm]

Are people really worried about Zeke? He'll be fine.

The real question is when we look back after he's had a nice career here in Dallas, will we think he was worth the 4th pick. People that said he was worth the 4th pick said he was the next AP. We'll see.

Looks more like Mark Ingram right now...Kid needs to get his weight under control...because it sure seems like it fluctuates quite a bit. One day he looks like he's cut/pretty quick...and the next he looks bloated.

Don't know the full story yet....but something doesn't seem right.

 

[superonyx]

I don't buy that at all. He's a rookie with about 15 plays under his belt. If anything Morris was the guy who the Giants had more tape on and should have been better prepared for.

Zeke's problem was he was too impatient at times. But I also think he should have received more running opportunities with Dak under center. The Cowboys seemed to have more success on the ground when they just lined up and ran downhill from traditional power run formations.

What the NFL posted video on YouTube from yesterday that shows all of Zekes runs vs the giants and then say ANY back that has ever played this game would have made a difference. If Zeke stunk it up I would be fine saying it. But watch the video of his runs and then say with a honest face that it had anything to do with him.
You watch that video and you will swear the giants knew what play was coming and where it was going to be run to. They had waves of guys all over Zeke almost as soon as he touched the ball.

Point is we all know an offensive line can make an average RB look special and they can also make a great back look absolutely horrible. Yesterday we saw more proof of this.

JG better make some serious adjustments and let his offense set the pace and stop coaching like we have Weeden from last year.

 

[CouchCoach]

Yes, the Giants D was so good, they got pushed around all over the field in the first half, and would have been in a 21 point deficit if Dez or Beas had shown up in crunch time. And imo, Dak got tired in the second half. There is no excuse for a rookie QB throwing 45 times with the rbs we have in Morris and Zeke. That is insanely stupid even with a stacked box. And there are ways to circumvent that in the passing game. But that would require a squirrel finding some creative nuts. We have two squirrels, J and S, lacking them big time. This is why Garrett cannot win without Romo. Romo audibles out of dumb play calling.

I am so done with Garrett. He has finally worn me down, and punched me in the mouth one too many times with his anal, strait jacket play calling. When I read that Dak had learned the entire playbook in a short amount of time, I was sort of impressed, but not really, if you know what I mean. I would imagine it would be like reading a Dick and Jane primer for backup QB's who are instructed to never call an audible and do what they're told. Dak did that yesterday. And he lost. Weeden did that last year and he lost. Cassell says he wasn't given any guidance from anybody. And he lost. Ok, even allowing for exaggeration, or sour grapes, the evidence shows there is a grain of truth in what they're saying. Like 1 - 13 without Romo.

If Dak wants to lead the team to a win, he better get a little more assertive and chuck plays like screen passes to cement footed Witten out the door. Call a few audibles, stuff like that. Tell Garrett and Linehan to go find some nuts, even. Until yesterday, I had never heard of gaining additional yards to punt. Why doesn't Garrett just wave a white flag? That was mind boggling to me, and the final punch to my mouth. And yes, I'm that important.

And I wouldn't be surprised, if even JJ and SJ are beginning to sense they have a bus driver driving their precious Farrari. Not that it matters. Dog forbid they hire another head coach to train!

Ferrari implies talent and this team is no Ferrari.

 

[superonyx]

The Eagles have a better defense and we're playing the Browns. Not really a good comparison.

Both Rookie QB's playing there first game.
Giants had the 32nd ranked defense last year and we don't know how good they will be this year. Very fair comparison.

Under your rules no comparison anyone could ever make would be considered a fair comparison.

Point is the eagles didn't let the browns dictate their game plan. They used the entire field and didn't look like they were holding Wentz back.

We let the giants turn Dak into Brandon Weeden. That's on us and it's going to be a problem moving forward if we don't fix this.

 

[CouchCoach]

What the NFL posted video on YouTube from yesterday that shows all of Zekes runs vs the giants and then say ANY back that has ever played this game would have made a difference. If Zeke stunk it up I would be fine saying it. But watch the video of his runs and then say with a honest face that it had anything to do with him.
You watch that video and you will swear the giants knew what play was coming and where it was going to be run to. They had waves of guys all over Zeke almost as soon as he touched the ball.

Point is we all know an offensive line can make an average RB look special and they can also make a great back look absolutely horrible. Yesterday we saw more proof of this.

JG better make some serious adjustments and let his offense set the pace and stop coaching like we have Weeden from last year.

The Giants came in with a "Elliott will not beat us" plan and executed that plan. I don;t even think they envisioned getting the rookie QB to put it up 45 times. He completed what I thought was the ceiling on his attempts at 25. And too many of those 45 attempts were off target and I've seen that movie before.

The best thing to come out of this is our rookie QB and RB both know what they saw in the pretend season was just that and if the coaches had any issues with a little too much confidence, that's gone today. One thing Dak needs to get and get fast, you do not throw high to your slot receiver if you want to keep him on the field in the NFL.