Zoners: BP will work deal with Mr. Jones

[Zimmy Lives]

i'd be more inclined to say that those so infatuated with mcfadden will suddenly breathe hope into an almost dead dream now and continue to pummell the newsgroups with madden'esque type scenario's that still allow mcfadden to be a cowboy.

i don't care who is where and how in love they were with each other in the past. the cost to get the #1 overall pick is going to be way too damn high.

carpenter? parcells didn't use him while he was here. why would he trade for him when he gave him a shot and it went nowhere?

reality says: never happen.
dreamers say: perfect fit.

julius? is pacells now blind? can he not see julius' favorite hobby is to get as close to the backsides of our OL as he can and run into them for a yard or two? EVEN IF he was, jones is a FA - why would he sign a contract with us just to be traded to miami when he can walk up to parcells and work out his own deal *they* would be happy with? our gain isn't jones problem here.

reality says: never happen.
dreamers say: perfect fit.

now lets be real.

#1 pick = 3000 points.

#22 - a good spot for cleveland = 780
#31 - win superbowl or lose, last pick of the round = 600

so, 1380 points for 3000. WHY would any SANE person do that?

carpenter? yea, he's shown value for 20 points, so let's bump that up to oh heck, 1400.

we're 1/2 way there!!! you say next years pick? well, i'm sure miami/parcells sees we're a good team and are not likely to be much better than, oh heck, 22 cause that's a fun number.

2180. with 3 #1 picks and bobby carpenter, we're all the way to 2180 and only 820 points away now. if we give them the #1 AGAIN in 2 years, call it 22 again and give carpenter 20 more points to close the deal, we NOW can move up to #1.

so. we've spent 4 #1 picks and bobby carpenter, former #1, for a total of 5 #1 picks for mcfadden.

reality says: never happen
dreamers say: damn you iceberg....

Agree with everything you said.

How soon people forget how little impact Ricky Williams and Herschel Walker had on teams that gave up the world for them.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

one day i'll figure out why we as fans can see our players have no value *to us* but are worth the world to *others*?

days like this make me want to find madden and kick him in the jimmies.

All these Madden scenarios make me want to bite off my own jimmy.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Everybody doubts that BP and Ricky Williams will co-exist. I kinda think they might. Miami has a lot invested in Brown. If BP doesn't like him, I don't know that BP will be able to just cut him because of Cap implications. Brown is extremely talented. Of that there is little doubt. On the other hand, Williams is a guy who has had trouble off the field but on the field, he's a very hard worker and a very effective runner. His running style is exactly what Parcells looks for. In addition, Parcells has often used older backs in a two back system to sustain his running game. I can see him using Williams to push Brown to get better, as a Pro. The contract is a very obvious upside and Parcells does like value. He is also a guy who give players a chance. See QC here. I could see BP keeping Williams if Williams still has something left.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Everybody doubts that BP and Ricky Williams will co-exist. I kinda think they might. Miami has a lot invested in Brown. If BP doesn't like him, I don't know that BP will be able to just cut him because of Cap implications. Brown is extremely talented. Of that there is little doubt. On the other hand, Williams is a guy who has had trouble off the field but on the field, he's a very hard worker and a very effective runner. His running style is exactly what Parcells looks for. In addition, Parcells has often used older backs in a two back system to sustain his running game. I can see him using Williams to push Brown to get better, as a Pro. The contract is a very obvious upside and Parcells does like value. He is also a guy who give players a chance. See QC here. I could see BP keeping Williams if Williams still has something left.

If BP doesn't feel he can trust Ricky, why would he, he'll be gone.

 

[big dog cowboy]

My Madden calculator.....

:madden:

 

[dogunwo]

I am on board for Rice or Stewart, but I'd be just as happy giving the starting nod to Barber and finding a compliment for him in a later round. I like the kid from South Florida too. His name escapes me right now.

You need to forget those three and think about James Davis

 

[panchucko]

Get some 4 - 7 round picks and a couple of TE's and BP would bite.
He loves those late round picks and his TE's

 

[peplaw06]

:madden:

I hope you know I typed all that with my tongue implanted firmly into my cheek.

 

[dmq]

i'd be more inclined to say that those so infatuated with mcfadden will suddenly breathe hope into an almost dead dream now and continue to pummell the newsgroups with madden'esque type scenario's that still allow mcfadden to be a cowboy.

i don't care who is where and how in love they were with each other in the past. the cost to get the #1 overall pick is going to be way too damn high.

carpenter? parcells didn't use him while he was here. why would he trade for him when he gave him a shot and it went nowhere?

reality says: never happen.
dreamers say: perfect fit.

julius? is pacells now blind? can he not see julius' favorite hobby is to get as close to the backsides of our OL as he can and run into them for a yard or two? EVEN IF he was, jones is a FA - why would he sign a contract with us just to be traded to miami when he can walk up to parcells and work out his own deal *they* would be happy with? our gain isn't jones problem here.

reality says: never happen.
dreamers say: perfect fit.

now lets be real.

#1 pick = 3000 points.

#22 - a good spot for cleveland = 780
#31 - win superbowl or lose, last pick of the round = 600

so, 1380 points for 3000. WHY would any SANE person do that?

carpenter? yea, he's shown value for 20 points, so let's bump that up to oh heck, 1400.

we're 1/2 way there!!! you say next years pick? well, i'm sure miami/parcells sees we're a good team and are not likely to be much better than, oh heck, 22 cause that's a fun number.

2180. with 3 #1 picks and bobby carpenter, we're all the way to 2180 and only 820 points away now. if we give them the #1 AGAIN in 2 years, call it 22 again and give carpenter 20 more points to close the deal, we NOW can move up to #1.

so. we've spent 4 #1 picks and bobby carpenter, former #1, for a total of 5 #1 picks for mcfadden.

reality says: never happen
dreamers say: damn you iceberg....

Bill could rebuild his entire team if we tried to move up. The cost is just too steep though it is fun to think about. The patriots model of success has been to trade back for future picks. Those future picks can sometime be premium picks like the patriots pick this year from the 49ers. It didn't work out so well for us and Cleveland, but those trades are the only way good teams can land blue chip players in the draft. When you have those extra picks you can move up and down to get the players you like. I would be more interested in trading down in our picks if we didn't like the value on the pick and someone did like the value. Pick up a second #1 or #2 next year and get a good running back in the second rd. We already have Barber. It's not like we give up the ship if we miss on a running back. The only guys on our roster that could seriously move us up in the draft are guys like Ware, Barber, Romo and Gurode. Those guys are going nowhere.

 

[Bach]

I hope you know I typed all that with my tongue implanted firmly into my cheek.

Which one, the left or right?

 

[khiladi]

The patriots model of success has been to trade back for future picks.

The Patriots went out and got the two best players in free agency because Tom Brady was beginning to complain about how the Patriots remain content in doing this. And teams were clearly moving up on them. Even the Patriots ultimately realized the need for a 'wow' player.

 

[peplaw06]

Which one, the left or right?

Both... I got a big one.

 

[5mics]

lol am i not mistaken but doesnt dallas have a probowl rb in marion barber? so dallas drafts a guy and has to pay him 35mil+ signing bonus to play part time?

the disrespect barber gets from dallas' own fans makes the disrespect espn has for the cowboys seem insignificant

I don't think it's disrespect at all. We're just throwing out possible scenarios w/ the ultimate goal of making the team better. No harm in that. MBIII is a Pro-Bowler, BUT is he an untouchable? Who on the team are considered untouchable like Romo? If they're not, then they're fair game to being traded, released, etc.

 

[Beast_from_East]

JJ wasn't exactly glowing about Parcells when Wade came in. Why would BP want him, and why would JJ want to go *back* to being a robot...? i know he's still pretty robotic, but still.

Hell while we're at it, why don't we get BP to throw in Jason Taylor...

Our 2 1st rounders
Carp
Fasano
Spears

for

#1 pick
Jason Taylor

My Madden calculator says that Miami would do that deal. So it is written, so it is done.

CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

 

[swj010]

Zoners:

Mr. Jones will work out a deal with Parcells for the phins #1 pick.

BP loves draft picks and realizes that is exactly what the phins need most.

Mr. Jones is dying for the rights to Run DMC (MACFADDEN)

We will offer Big Bill our 2 #1 in 08 and our #2 in 09 plus JJ.

What do you Zoners think?

JJ is an unrestricted free agent.....but Spears isn't.

 

[5mics]

Madden probably can't find his jimmies.......nevertheless, we all know that Jerry is a gambling man, but I agree with the post by Iceberg, there is no way Jerry will trade two 1sts and a first from next year to draft a RB. IMO, if Jerry does any trading for a RB, it will be for Felix Jones of who he can probably get in the 15-20 pick provided he doesn't decide to keep Julius Jones. Jerry has stated that he wants a "wow" player and IMO McFadden does not possess the "wow" player charecteristics that would transfer to the NFL. McFadden is no Adrian Peterson. IMO a "wow" player is someone like Hester so thus the "wow" player could be a WR with speed to replace Glenn like this kid:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Wg5EQcXuD7k

***?!!! You are kidding, right?

 

[Verdict]

We were in a lot better position to trade up for Peterson than we will be for McFadden. Jones may have remorse for not moving up last year, but if he thought it was a bad idea last year, it is a lot worse, and less economically sensible to move up this year.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

they were saying how parcells might be trying to rebuild the front 7 right away. we could give them a dlinemen or a lb with the 1st round picks.

Well, he seemed to like Carpenter enough to spend a first round draft pick on him. Think he'd be willing to give us the Fins 2nd round pick for him now?

Didn't think so.

I bet we couldn't trade Carp to him for a 4th round pick.

I will never understand why we drafted Carpenter when we did. Never.

 

[FLcowboy]

they were saying how parcells might be trying to rebuild the front 7 right away. we could give them a dlinemen or a lb with the 1st round picks.

The loss of Spears and Carpenter wouldn't hurt the Cowboys that much. Wonder if Bill still likes Marcus and Bobby?

 

[InmanRoshi]

I love the idea that Parcells desperately covets Carpenter and Spears ... underachievers who were in his doghouse the entire time he was coaching here. Yeah, I'm sure Parcells is dying to have the guys who he either put on the bench or repeatedly threatened to bench. Listening to the insider draft coverage on KTCK last year, Ireland and Jerry came on right after the pick and just gushed about how great they think Carpenter is and how badly they wanted him. Jerry and Ireland may value him more than Parcells.

Maybe there are some franchises you can trade a bunch of magic beans to, but the franchises who are run by people who coached your players for 4 years day in and day out tend to have a pretty good idea which of your players are the real deal.