It's about having a conscience

[kskboys]

Ok...that makes sense....sin is putting yourself before others...I'm glad we can agree on that because breaking moral law is sin....anyone on this board that puts themselves before others is committing sin......just one other question....what detriment morally has he done to your personally

That is personal. As a long time Cowboys fan, it's a very personal thing to see the owner put himself above everything about this team. Sorta like destroying one's property right in front of that person and not caring. I support the Cowboys financially, so Jerry only caring about himself is putting himself before the fan. As a fan who supports him financially, it is morally wrong for him to do that to me(and all fans, of course.)

 

[Forneymike]

Think a subject that is not allowed on here.

what subject is not allowed? someone on here brought up the concept of moral law, that is rooted in the one who creates moral law......Conscience is a part of that....don't throw around words like conscience untess you understand the implications. If he just doing something you don't like then that is different. The person appealing to conscience is making a moral judgment on another person's life

 

[kskboys]

Jerry Jones has always put his own interests before the franchise's fanbase. There was never a time when he put Dallas' fans first and himself second.

A more recent reminder:



No person or venture group is altruistic enough buying a sports franchise for simply the entertainment of other people. Even in the late 1980's, H.R. Bright set his NFL franchise's value at $140 million. Even adjusted for inflation, low nine figures remain a level of investment very few individuals in the world can dream of. Jones bought what he envisioned would be a money-making machine for himself, not a satisfaction maker for fans.

From day one, Jones has always marketed the team as a continuation of the franchise's rich championship history. That was for the benefit of his fanbase, who are the main consumers of his professional football product.

Jones has never put fans' interests ahead of his. If he ever had, he would have modified his management philosophy in the pursuit of better, on-the-field results. Any observer should never dismiss this fact:

Jones had already established the league's number one revenue producing vehicle in the 1990's.​

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He fulfilled his goal for buying the Dallas Cowboys decades ago. He has adamantly refused allowing a different management philosophy running the football team. It has always been his way or no way. If that does not convince everyone he does not care about winning partially for the sake of the franchise's fans, nothing will.

Well said.

Makes it clear that it's not about money, it's only about self-aggrandizement.

 

[kskboys]

what subject is not allowed? someone on here brought up the concept of moral law, that is rooted in the one who creates moral law......Conscience is a part of that....don't throw around words like conscience untess you understand the implications. If he just doing something you don't like then that is different. The person appealing to conscience is making a moral judgment on another person's life

Since the subject is not allowed, and rightfully so, how can I answer that? Think, man, it's blatantly obvious.

 

[DallasEast]

I didn't really consider this perspective but I do agree with it. Jerry does not consider the fans much. But again, Jerry bought the team to be his play thing. If he can't play with it, he won't want it. Using the race car analogy, he bought a race car so he could drive it. He is not going to hire a driver to drive it for him. Its not about winning races, it is about driving the car. Perhaps if fans just stopped paying attention to him, stopped going to games, stopped buying Cowboys merch, he would change his mind, but I don't think so. Jerry enjoys being the GM, the guy in charge, the guy they come to with microphones and cameras in hand. The questions about losing bother him but he just deflects them with long winded incoherent comments now - and, he grow more defiant.

Only time will remove Jerry from his toy. Then we will have to see how Stephen and the rest of the family respond to losing and the fans.

Bold> This pretty much sums up several points.

• The premise, Jones will change his mind based on loss of ticket and merchandise sales, has never been a strong one. A large decrease and sustained (e.g. years), overall home ticket sales must first happen. Other NFL team franchises operate with significantly lower ticket-to-revenue models below the Dallas Cowboys. None of Jones' peers are buckling under such conditions. It is extremely unlikely Jones will react any differently unless home game after home game ends up with the stadium being (in my opinion) 50% or less full.
• (Red bold) Exactly and that is the central problem.
• Questioning Jones is a key alternative. It does bother him. There is a zero guarantee how he may possibly react with being constantly interrogated about his general manager qualifications but there is an undeniable response from him. It does not take some mystical, unorganized, pie-in-the-sky scheme to get under his skin either. It is something people (and not just the media) can build upon. Perhaps the defiance of a narcissist has limits. The only way of knowing for sure is continuing to push buttons that actually work.

 

[zrinkill]

Only one being can save the Dallas Cowboy fans from this.

 

[DallasEast]

Nope. All he cares about is himself. Winning super bowls would bring in even more money, it's not about money at all anymore, it's about extreme narcissism. It's about establishing himself as a football great in his own mind, and he's so self involved he doesn't even realize that ship has long ago sailed.

Bold> Extreme ego would be a better term in my opinion over 'extreme narcissism'. I used to believe Jerry Jones was extremely narcissistic. Extreme narcissism is Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Eventually, I came to the realization even Jones (as crazy as it might sound) is not that bad. Not even close. He tops any egotist but he is simply a common narcissist. Still bad for the franchise and its fans but Jones could conceivably be far FAR worse as an owner if he had NPD.

 

[5Stars]

After listening to Bill Belichick talk on inside the NFL about after being in the parades that he could see how much it meant to the fan base to win the championship in New England and how much it meant to the city and the people in it and it really had an effect on him.
Jerry has no conscience he has no loyalty to his fan base there's no loyalty no sense of obligation to the city of Dallas and all the fans of the Cowboys.
The only thing he is loyal to is making the most out of his investment and doing whatever makes him the most money.

He has no morals no scruples no empathy for the suffering he puts his fan base through on a yearly basis.

I live in the Philadelphia area and yes they can be a horrible god-forsaken group of people but they love their football team and their owner loves the fan base and he knows what it means to them and strives to put the best team on the field at all times.
We've seen him make mistakes Chip Kelly Carson Wentz but the guy picks up starts from scratch and retools and creates winning teams because he doesn't quit on his fan base and sell out for just his own profit.

Jerry on the other hand has no conscience and quit on his fan base long ago to pursue strictly his own material gain at the expense of his fan base and City and it's really that simple He's just never going to do what's necessary to get us over the top.

It's always going to be some half-assed effort that makes him the most money and gives the fan base false hope strings us along and just dangles the carrot in front of our nose.

The man is a carnival Barker with the morals of an alley cat that has ruined America's team and will continue to take advantage of our loyalty to the star and use it to his advantage and his family after him will do the same thing that's where we're at as Cowboys fans

We are at the mercy of a billionaire who treats us like peasants from a medieval time period.

What are your thoughts

Nice read, however, this...

What are your thoughts, screwed it all up. I'm sick of reading that day after day, post after post.

 

[DallasEast]

Think a subject that is not allowed on here.

Politics cannot be discussed on CowboysZone (see site rule #7). The sub-topic could and can be easily and freely discussed without it.

what subject is not allowed?

The subject in question has nothing to do with the sub-topic you have introduced into the thread. That said, I hope that your sub-discussion never diverts directly towards site rule #6. That would be problematic.

 

[TwentyOne]

After listening to Bill Belichick talk on inside the NFL about after being in the parades that he could see how much it meant to the fan base to win the championship in New England and how much it meant to the city and the people in it and it really had an effect on him.
Jerry has no conscience he has no loyalty to his fan base there's no loyalty no sense of obligation to the city of Dallas and all the fans of the Cowboys.
The only thing he is loyal to is making the most out of his investment and doing whatever makes him the most money.

He has no morals no scruples no empathy for the suffering he puts his fan base through on a yearly basis.

I live in the Philadelphia area and yes they can be a horrible god-forsaken group of people but they love their football team and their owner loves the fan base and he knows what it means to them and strives to put the best team on the field at all times.
We've seen him make mistakes Chip Kelly Carson Wentz but the guy picks up starts from scratch and retools and creates winning teams because he doesn't quit on his fan base and sell out for just his own profit.

Jerry on the other hand has no conscience and quit on his fan base long ago to pursue strictly his own material gain at the expense of his fan base and City and it's really that simple He's just never going to do what's necessary to get us over the top.

It's always going to be some half-assed effort that makes him the most money and gives the fan base false hope strings us along and just dangles the carrot in front of our nose.

The man is a carnival Barker with the morals of an alley cat that has ruined America's team and will continue to take advantage of our loyalty to the star and use it to his advantage and his family after him will do the same thing that's where we're at as Cowboys fans

We are at the mercy of a billionaire who treats us like peasants from a medieval time period.

What are your thoughts

Biggest cheater in this sport. A embarrassment should he be for all fans.

That people still give him a podium to give him an opportunity to spread his poison is just a sign of how low this whole football business has come.

 

[kskboys]

Politics cannot be discussed on CowboysZone (see site rule #7). The sub-topic could and can be easily and freely discussed without it.


The subject in question has nothing to do with the sub-topic you have introduced into the thread. That said, I hope that your sub-discussion never diverts directly towards site rule #6. That would be problematic.

Couldn't agree more!!!!!

I am out of this one!!!!!

 

[DallasEast]

Only one being can save the Dallas Cowboy fans from this.

lol. That image reminds me of the movie Scrooged. I would LOVE it if I had the magical power to somehow replace Bill Murray with Jerry Jones in a real-life version of that film.

Not that I think it would wake up Jones. He is more self-obsessed in controlling everything and everyone around him than Murray's character ever was. No. I would just love seeing him react for the sheer entertainment value.

 

[kskboys]

lol. That image reminds me of the movie Scrooged. I would LOVE it if I had the magical power to somehow replace Bill Murray with Jerry Jones in a real-life version of that film.

Not that I think it would wake up Jones. He is more self-obsessed in controlling everything and everyone around him than Murray's character ever was. No. I would just love seeing him react for the sheer entertainment value.

How about making him William Wallace in the draw and quarter scene?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DallasEast]

How about making him William Wallace in the draw and quarter scene?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dislike Jerry Jones' nonsense with a passion but draw the line at referring to death. Or even make-believe (i.e. movie) death scenes.

That said, I would not blink twice if Jones disappeared from the franchise altogether one day. It is probably why I always think of Gilligan's Island and his super yacht, lol.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

The whole family is terrible. They do NOT have any morals. They all cheat on their wives. They're bad people.

The Jones are a pretty immoral bunch.

Pretty much par for the course with anyone when they acquire billions of dollars and nearly unbounded power. It corrupts absolutely.

 

[sjmike]

Considering the times we live in now, with another "billionaire treating us like peasants from a medieval time period", you could say Jones was a savant, far ahead of his time.

Reminds alot of a couple of other billionaires

 

[CaptainAmerica12]

I'm not defending Jerry but just because his definition of all-in does not match your expectation doesn't mean he has lied to you. I believe in his mind he thinks winning is important. He is doing what he thinks he needs to do to win. I don't think he is going down the right path but I don't think he intentionally lied to you

Ridiculous. If this were true, he would surround himself with the best people. He did once and won 3 superbowls.

 

[gtb1943]

Jethro has reached the point where he is unable to deal with reality; which is that he is a poor GM.

HE cannot accept that. and works to make sure he is surrounded by yes men.

Now whether he knows this consciously is another matter. Would need a psychiatric evaluation

(Would love a 72 hour evaluation put on him the morning of the draft)

actually do it twice with the first one starting the day FA begins.

ANd if we could find a way to include LIttle Enos as well...

 

[OGSixshooter]

After listening to Bill Belichick talk on inside the NFL about after being in the parades that he could see how much it meant to the fan base to win the championship in New England and how much it meant to the city and the people in it and it really had an effect on him.
Jerry has no conscience he has no loyalty to his fan base there's no loyalty no sense of obligation to the city of Dallas and all the fans of the Cowboys.
The only thing he is loyal to is making the most out of his investment and doing whatever makes him the most money.

He has no morals no scruples no empathy for the suffering he puts his fan base through on a yearly basis.

I live in the Philadelphia area and yes they can be a horrible god-forsaken group of people but they love their football team and their owner loves the fan base and he knows what it means to them and strives to put the best team on the field at all times.
We've seen him make mistakes Chip Kelly Carson Wentz but the guy picks up starts from scratch and retools and creates winning teams because he doesn't quit on his fan base and sell out for just his own profit.

Jerry on the other hand has no conscience and quit on his fan base long ago to pursue strictly his own material gain at the expense of his fan base and City and it's really that simple He's just never going to do what's necessary to get us over the top.

It's always going to be some half-assed effort that makes him the most money and gives the fan base false hope strings us along and just dangles the carrot in front of our nose.

The man is a carnival Barker with the morals of an alley cat that has ruined America's team and will continue to take advantage of our loyalty to the star and use it to his advantage and his family after him will do the same thing that's where we're at as Cowboys fans

We are at the mercy of a billionaire who treats us like peasants from a medieval time period.

What are your thoughts

Well...hell. You ain't lied yet. "Let them eat cake..." aka "I paid Dak so...we good, right?"

 

[mote]

Politics cannot be discussed on CowboysZone (see site rule #7). The sub-topic could and can be easily and freely discussed without it.


The subject in question has nothing to do with the sub-topic you have introduced into the thread. That said, I hope that your sub-discussion never diverts directly towards site rule #6. That would be problematic.

Oh, the irony. One cannot mention certain names or topics as it relates to billionaires, but in the same thread there are multiple posts openly discussing alleged infidelities of said owners, their families, their spouses, whose at fault, etc., which some might consider libel.