The more I look, the more I like

[dwmyers]

Before I get into the meat of this thread, let me preface by saying that it was not created to try to stir up the vigorous debate and arguments from the initial thread that featured the name Case Keenum. But in looking over the guy's career and body of work, I continue to find him an intriguing option to put into the mix for this team.

I'm not saying 'he's better than Dak', so nobody get the wrong impression or your panties in a bunch!

What I am saying, is that hes easily better than Cooper Rush, and somewhere in between Dak level and Rush level.

And what does interest me is in signing Keenum, for two reasons:

1. To give this team a better backup quarterback, someone who has and can win games if needed. Rush has never shown that ability.
2. To give this team some measure of fallback option if things did take a bad turn in Dak negotiations. If Dak were to hold out, or somehow force a trade, the cupboard for the Cowboys isn't completely bare.

Based on Keenum's 2019 salary and standing, I think the guy could be had on a multi-year deal in the $4 - $5 million range, at most.

And he proved that on a good team, he can win, and get you to an NFC Championship Game, if the pieces are there around him.

And again, before anyone gets it twisted, nobody is saying the guy is a world beater. But take some time yourself and take a look at his career, college and pros. I think he makes more a decent, highly-affordable option.

Thoughts?

(Here's to hoping I haven't reopened Pandora's box!)

If we had a Case Keenum class backup last year, I tend to believe he starts at Philadelphia and Dak rests in week 16. Then, we don't have the issue of steadily deterioriating throw quality through such a critical game.

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[McKDaddy]

Have you ever seen Cooper Rush play? Even in the preseason?
Apparently not.

Just because a guy is on the Cowboys roster doesn't mean he's good or capable either. There's the flip side of that coin.

I have indeed. With 3rd string thru paper boys. If you believe you KNOW what he is capable of based on that, fine. I'm comfortable saying its an UNKNOWN. Nothing to be gained by going any further.

 

[Stash]

If we had a Case Keenum class backup last year, I tend to believe he starts at Philadelphia and Dak rests in week 16. Then, we don't have the issue of steadily deterioriating throw quality through such a critical game.

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I would have bet that Garrett would have played Dak anyway!

 

[Stash]

I have indeed. With 3rd string thru paper boys.

And he had better than that, and still looked terrible.

If you believe you KNOW what he is capable of based on that, fine. I'm comfortable saying its an UNKNOWN. Nothing to be gained by going any further.

I KNOW that Keenum has done better, and that he is not an UNKNOWN.

But you're right, nothing to be gained by going any further.

 

[McKDaddy]

I KNOW that Keenum has done better, and that he is not an UNKNOWN.

Absolutely agreed. I was never debating this.

 

[Stash]

Absolutely agreed. I was never debating this.

Then you realize that Keenum would be replacing Rush on the roster?

 

[Rockport]

Before I get into the meat of this thread, let me preface by saying that it was not created to try to stir up the vigorous debate and arguments from the initial thread that featured the name Case Keenum. But in looking over the guy's career and body of work, I continue to find him an intriguing option to put into the mix for this team.

I'm not saying 'he's better than Dak', so nobody get the wrong impression or your panties in a bunch!

What I am saying, is that hes easily better than Cooper Rush, and somewhere in between Dak level and Rush level.

And what does interest me is in signing Keenum, for two reasons:

1. To give this team a better backup quarterback, someone who has and can win games if needed. Rush has never shown that ability.
2. To give this team some measure of fallback option if things did take a bad turn in Dak negotiations. If Dak were to hold out, or somehow force a trade, the cupboard for the Cowboys isn't completely bare.

Based on Keenum's 2019 salary and standing, I think the guy could be had on a multi-year deal in the $4 - $5 million range, at most.

And he proved that on a good team, he can win, and get you to an NFC Championship Game, if the pieces are there around him.

And again, before anyone gets it twisted, nobody is saying the guy is a world beater. But take some time yourself and take a look at his career, college and pros. I think he makes more a decent, highly-affordable option.

Thoughts?

(Here's to hoping I haven't reopened Pandora's box!)

I’d rather them draft a backup qb and save the money it would take to sign Keenum.

 

[McKDaddy]

Then you realize that Keenum would be replacing Rush on the roster?

I agree that Keenum is much more accomplished and if he is available for a reasonable price I completely understand why he'd be viewed as an upgrade.

I was simply agreeing with some folks saying that we don't really have enough information to assess Rush as he's never gotten any meaningful snaps. Another failure of the JG era IMO.

 

[OmerV]

Same here. And that's been my position all along. The guy has had moments of brilliance, both in college and in the pros. Is he "perfect"? Nope, who is? Certainly nobody you could get for anywhere near that price. I think there's a combination of people who know very little of him, combined with those that think giving to credit to another player has to be taken as a slight against someone else.

I watched his game during week one of this year in Washington vs the Eagles and the guy went toe-to-toe with Wentz and the Eagles, actually outperforming him in my opinion. And with nothing in terms of a running game to help him. I'll take that on my team any day.

Within the context of back up/depth, I think he would be close to ideal. He's not a guy I would want to start, but if pressed into duty he is a guy that would give the team a chance to win most of the time.

 

[Stash]

I agree that Keenum is much more accomplished and if he is available for a reasonable price I completely understand why he'd be viewed as an upgrade.

I was simply agreeing with some folks saying that we don't really have enough information to assess Rush as he's never gotten any meaningful snaps. Another failure of the JG era IMO.

Ok. Thanks for clearing up your position.

 

[Kevinicus]

I did, but then I checked into the numbers and it turns out he signed for just $3.5 million last year, even less than what I had thought.

Looks like he got $7.5 million in 2019. $500k was a restructure bonus, and then Denver and Washington both paid half of the remaining $7 million.

I'd guess he'd be getting 7-10 (which I would still easily take over 30+ to Dak).

 

[gjkoeppen]

Before I get into the meat of this thread, let me preface by saying that it was not created to try to stir up the vigorous debate and arguments from the initial thread that featured the name Case Keenum. But in looking over the guy's career and body of work, I continue to find him an intriguing option to put into the mix for this team.

I'm not saying 'he's better than Dak', so nobody get the wrong impression or your panties in a bunch!

What I am saying, is that hes easily better than Cooper Rush, and somewhere in between Dak level and Rush level.

And what does interest me is in signing Keenum, for two reasons:

1. To give this team a better backup quarterback, someone who has and can win games if needed. Rush has never shown that ability.
2. To give this team some measure of fallback option if things did take a bad turn in Dak negotiations. If Dak were to hold out, or somehow force a trade, the cupboard for the Cowboys isn't completely bare.

Based on Keenum's 2019 salary and standing, I think the guy could be had on a multi-year deal in the $4 - $5 million range, at most.

And he proved that on a good team, he can win, and get you to an NFC Championship Game, if the pieces are there around him.

And again, before anyone gets it twisted, nobody is saying the guy is a world beater. But take some time yourself and take a look at his career, college and pros. I think he makes more a decent, highly-affordable option.

Thoughts?

(Here's to hoping I haven't reopened Pandora's box!)

To start out with Keenum has failed to keep a starting job on any of the 7 teams he's been on in 8 years in the league. If Keenum was as good as you think he is he wouldn't have been on 7 teams in 8 years. Second just what chances has Rush had to prove himself? Prescott has started and played all the regular season snaps since Rush joined the team. Let me guess you're going to say what he did in preseason games playing against 2nd and 3rd string players, except you forget he was playing WITH 2nd and 3rd string players too. Third, even if the Cowboys tag Prescott Jerry, Stephen, McCarthy and Nussmeier have all said that Prescott is their QB so there is just about zero chance they would trade him away. If Prescott sits out the Cowboys can then sign one of the many QB's that will be available and when Prescott does come in they can then decide between that QB they signed and Rush to be the backup and move on.

I just don't get why people want to keep on rehashing the same thing over and over.
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[TheMarathonContinues]

Keenum...yuck. I'd rather have Cooper Rush than Keenum. Preferably I don't want either but I'd rather just flat out suck if Dak gets hurt than have Keenum win some games he's not suppose to.

 

[Stash]

Looks like he got $7.5 million in 2019. $500k was a restructure bonus, and then Denver and Washington both paid half of the remaining $7 million.

I'd guess he'd be getting 7-10 (which I would still easily take over 30+ to Dak).

I'm out at anything close to that.

 

[5Stars]

Keenum...yuck. I'd rather have Cooper Rush than Keenum. Preferably I don't want either but I'd rather just flat out suck if Dak gets hurt than have Keenum win some games he's not suppose to.

Let's hope it don't...but everyone gets hurt.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Looks like he got $7.5 million in 2019. $500k was a restructure bonus, and then Denver and Washington both paid half of the remaining $7 million.

I'd guess he'd be getting 7-10 (which I would still easily take over 30+ to Dak).

Hell no. I'd rather have Dak at 30 million than Keenum at 7-10. Keenum is not very good. I think people think you can just plug a quarterback in to this offense because its that easy. Mind you........Keenum had a much better team in Minnesota and by the time the playoffs came around his true colors came around. If the plan is to suck than stick with Cooper Rush or draft someone. There's no perks of having Keenum here.

 

[Stash]

To start out with Keenum has failed to keep a starting job on any of the 7 teams he's been on in 8 years in the league. If Keenum was as good as you think he is he wouldn't have been on 7 teams in 8 years.

He played well enough to have deserved to keep that job in Minnesota. Neither you nor I can blame what the Vikings did on him.

If yiu want to know more about the guy's career, do some homework,

Second just what chances has Rush had to prove himself? Prescott has started and played all the regular season snaps since Rush joined the team. Let me guess you're going to say what he did in preseason games playing against 2nd and 3rd string players, except you forget he was playing WITH 2nd and 3rd string players too.

So you'll attack Keenum who has actually done things in thismleague, while making excuses for a never was, never will be in Rush? Best of luck on that.

Third, even if the Cowboys tag Prescott Jerry, Stephen, McCarthy and Nussmeier have all said that Prescott is their QB so there is just about zero chance they would trade him away. If Prescott sits out the Cowboys can then sign one of the many QB's that will be available and when Prescott does come in they can then decide between that QB they signed and Rush to be the backup and move on.

Yeah, because as we all know, 'time waits for the Dallas Cowboys'.

Yeesh!

I just don't get why people want to keep on rehashing the same thing over and over.
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Because those 'people' want to talk about it? Here's a clue, nobody forced you in here. See yourself out.

 

[reddyuta]

i dont understand these thread,leaving Dak aside does the OP think a new coach will tie himself to to a QB like Keenum?

 

[Stash]

i dont understand these thread,leaving Dak aside does the OP think a new coach will tie himself to to a QB like Keenum?

Assuming this question was for me (quote feature works well), what do you mean by "tie himself to Keenum"?

 

[gjkoeppen]

He played well enough to have deserved to keep that job in Minnesota. Neither you nor I can blame what the Vikings did on him.

If yiu want to know more about the guy's career, do some homework,



So you'll attack Keenum who has actually done things in thismleague, while making excuses for a never was, never will be in Rush? Best of luck on that..

I did do my homework on all of the previous Keenum threads. He's had ONE good season, with the vikings, when he was signed to a one year contract and even after that season the vikings didn't try to resign him. AGAIN if Keenum was as good as what you think he is he wouldn't have been on SEVEN teams in EIGHT seasons. Except for that good season he pretty much throws almost as many picks as TD's. In fact in 2016 he DID throw more picks than TD's. As far as Rush goes, how can you or anyone call him a never was never will be when he hasn't even taken a regular season snap yet? The only thing I can think of is you're the president of the 3 member Case Keenum fan club and you feel obligated to toot his horn.
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