Based simply on stats, are these 2 QB's similar?

[OmerV]

Under normal circumstances it would appear Dak lokks like the better QB. But Winston had garbage at RB but very good WRs. Winston makes too many mistakes but is a better arm talent. He put up 24 points on the Saints where Dak has only managed 23 but in two games total

What about the fact that the Saints only put up 22 points in those same 2 games, and that included a game with Brees at QB.

A person can always pick and choose individual games to fit what they want to say, but the overall picture is a more accurate method of evaluating. And, granted Winston has the bigger arm, but history has shown repeatedly that a bigger arm doesn't necessarily make a better QB.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Under normal circumstances it would appear Dak lokks like the better QB. But Winston had garbage at RB but very good WRs. Winston makes too many mistakes but is a better arm talent. He put up 24 points on the Saints where Dak has only managed 23 but in two games total

Remember, to the brainless trolls on here Tampa Bay is a great team... like the Ravens and Patriots.

Easy to forget, but Winston did have Doug Martin as a rookie... and not coincidentally it helped him turn in a fairly solid season, I believe he was even named a Pro Bowl alternate.

 

[DFWJC]

Imagine how bad our defense and offense would have looked if Dak had that many turn overs.

It also tells you Tampa Bay could be a top 4 NFC team this year

 

[HanD]

Imagine how bad our defense and offense would have looked if Dak had that many turn overs.

People talk about what Dak lacks physically. Imagine what it would be like here if we had a physically gifted qb number 1 overall pick who was a numb skull and made terrible turnovers all the time? Like more than 2 a game....

 

[Dreski]

It also tells you Tampa Bay could be a top 4 NFC team this year

They went 7-9 despite Winston turning the ball over 35 times, and setting a record for pick 6s but let’s keep saying they have no talent to fit our narrative

 

[Super_Kazuya]

They went 7-9 despite Winston turning the ball over 35 times, and setting a record for pick 6s but let’s keep saying they have no talent to fit our narrative

They went 7-9 despite also getting 33 TDS from Winston and supposedly they are a great team that had only 3 pro bowlers, with 2 of them likely earning that distinction because of the QBs willingless to throw the ball all over the place. But let's keep taking drugs and saying they're a great team to fit our brain-addled narrative

 

[Dreski]

They went 7-9 despite also getting 33 TDS from Winston and supposedly they are a great team that had only 3 pro bowlers, with 2 of them likely earning that distinction because of the QBs willingless to throw the ball all over the place. But let's keep taking drugs and saying they're a great team to fit our brain-addled narrative

I’d like to see how many pro bowlers we’d have if our QB turned the ball over 35 times, they had no chance.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I’d like to see how many pro bowlers we’d have if our QB turned the ball over 35 times, they had no chance.

If our QB was in Tampa Bay he wold have turned the ball over 45 times so what's the difference?

 

[Dreski]

If our QB was in Tampa Bay he wold have turned the ball over 45 times so what's the difference?

Doubt it, Dak a lot smarter with the football, Winston was throwing right at defenders even with a clean pocket.

 

[jblaze2004]

The big problem is Winston throws the ball the the other team too many times lol. In 5 years he has thrown 121 TD's and 88 ints.

Dak in 4 years 97 TD's and I only 36 ints.

Dak career qb rating 97.1 vs Winston 86.9.

Close thread lol
It gets real ugly if u add in the win percentage
Commanders will sign Winston

 

[zerofill]

Jameis Winston had plenty of talent to throw the ball to. I never thought he was any good.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Doubt it, Dak a lot smarter with the football, Winston was throwing right at defenders even with a clean pocket.

Yeah, you must have missed that three game stretch in 2017 where Dak was down to (oh no!) 2 All-Pro lineman and had 0 touchdowns and 5 interceptions. Funny how Dak looked a lot less "smart" when he had to see how the other half lived.

 

[irving]

The question is why would anyone compare Dak and Winston? They are not close to being the same type of quarterback.

 

[G2]

If our QB was in Tampa Bay he wold have turned the ball over 45 times so what's the difference?

Lmao, what?

 

[conner01]

Going simply on stats, would you say these 2 QB's are very similar based on their first 4 years in the league:


QB #1

1,922 attempts 1,183 completions 62% Comp % 14,628 Yards 88 TD's 58 Int's 189 rushes 794 Yards 9 TD's


QB #2

2,071 Attempts 1,363 Completions 65.8% Comp. % 15,778 Yards 97 TD's 36 Int's 241 rushes 1,221 yards 21 TD's




In my opinion solely looking at stats (keeping in mind QB #1 had a very bad 5th year and those stats aren't factored into this) these 2 QB's stats are very similar.


QB #1 is about to be released and QB #2 is looking for $35+M/year in a new contract.


QB #1 is Jameis Winston

QB #2 is Dak Prescott

QB one would be really good if ints counted as completions
Noticed you left out ints
Oversight i guess

 

[montgod]

Not to add to the debate either way but Winston did only play 11 games in 2018, 2 of which he didn't start. So he could have had even more INTs... or TDs with a full season.

I will say, his OL and RB have never helped his cause any.

 

[Swagger]

They are fairly similar when you account for the first team All-Pros needed for #2 to do what he does (and the ones #1 doesn't have). Yards per attempt is actually identical, 7.6.

True story

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah, you must have missed that three game stretch in 2017 where Dak was down to (oh no!) 2 All-Pro lineman and had 0 touchdowns and 5 interceptions. Funny how Dak looked a lot less "smart" when he had to see how the other half lived.

There is a difference between backups we have and starting OL on many other teams. I forgot Dallas is the only team with talent all other QB play single handed without any help. Get a clue

 

[Dreski]

Yeah, you must have missed that three game stretch in 2017 where Dak was down to (oh no!) 2 All-Pro lineman and had 0 touchdowns and 5 interceptions. Funny how Dak looked a lot less "smart" when he had to see how the other half lived.

Dak hasn’t thrown 5 interceptions in a game

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The only meaningful stat that increased was his yards per attempt, from 8 to 8.2. His touchdown rate actually stayed exactly the same, he just had more attempts in 2019.
Everything else was better across the board in 2016... QB rating, QBR, completion percentage, passes intercepted percentage... his rushing numbers were also better. Even the aforementioned yards per attempt, while higher in 2019, was actually lower relative to the rest of the league in 2016... his 8.0 ranked 4th in the league in 2016 but his 8.2 was only good for 5th last year.
I'm sure you will cite his passing yards but that was just an outlier based on game situations, pretty much every QB in the history of the NFL who has approached 5000 yards in a season has instantly regressed the next season. It's just a stat of opportunity, not quality.

he had more attempts because he has become a better passer and we could rely on him more. in 2016, we relied on of the best OLs in the NFL and Zeke who had 1600 yards rushing vs. 1300 yards in 2019. we leaned on rushing game to win and pulled a few come back wins. in 2019, we passed more but rushed less, relaying more on the passing game to win because Dak was trusted more......

and I find it funny you call the passing yards an outlier, yet so definitively speak about the rating, etc. in 2016 and not dismiss any of those....selecting certain stats to make a case that supports your assumptions