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[ESisback]

The top QBs will go in the first round. The team has too many needs especially on defense to consider a QB in the second round. We need to find starters with our first two picks. We have some holes to fill. After the second round we may take a QB.

A lot of good QBs were drafted in the later rounds. Brady was a 6th rounder.

 

[Flamma]

I agree with you for sure.

Biggest issue has been he is being advised by his attorney who is motived by two things..

Money from DAKs new deal..

and winning to get other new clients to do it again.

That's it.

Dak has alot more to worry about. If he overplays his hand, he could lose his career.

Just ask Kapernick.

Here today playing for a SB..

gone the next looking for a job. He can't even play in the CFL and the XFL did not want him either.

A misstep means a slippery slope. It goes downhill quickly.

You can point to Jerry too. Who hasn't he paid? When has he held his ground? Not with Tank, not with Zeke, and Cooper? No problem. This is the natural order of things in Dallas.

 

[KJJ]

A lot of good QBs were drafted in the later rounds. Brady was a 6th rounder.

Over a period of decades there’s been more than a few QBs drafted in the later rounds that developed into solid starters and Dak is one of them. A small few of those QBs such as Brady, Brees, Montana and Fouts developed into HOF QBs but the odds are very long of landing a truly “great” QB after the first round. The odds go from about 50-50 which is the success rate of landing a franchise QB in the first round to less than that the farther you go in the draft.

The more rounds that pass the longer the odds become of landing a starting NFL QB. The problem with the majority of the fans on this board is they want the Cowboys to draft a QB to replace Dak. They’re not thinking backup they’re thinking starter. It’s been more than two decades and the Cleveland Browns are still looking for a QB to replace Bernie Kosar, despite burning the top pick in the draft on a QB twice. Miami is still trying to replace Dan Marino.

 

[Redball Express]

So today's deep thought is going to be about how..

and why we have won in the past with our QBs.

And yes this will be about Dak but that comes later..

and not what you think it will be coming from me.

I have been trying to feature the QBs lately as I think they best represent our teams and what do they have in common.

Ready?

When our team has been successful..

we had young QBs who took us quickly to success.

Craig Morton was the first. He took us to the 1971 SB. He had been starting for about 2 years and had been in the league about 4 by that time.

But still just 2 years of starting.

Next we have Rodger the Dodger. Yes, he had been with the team a couple of seasons and had attended TC while in the Navy.

But in 1972 when we won the 1st SB, he was basically his first year as a starter. He won again in 1978 for his second SB. He was older and our oldest SB winning QB.

Danny White had been with the team mostly as a punter. Then Staubach retired from concussions and White became the starter. White took us to 3 straight NFC Championships and ran into Montana who blocked him.

But White was highly productive as a starter early in his starter career.

Then we have Aikman. Drafted 1989, his first SB was won by his 3rd year in the NFL. I believe that was 1993 and then in 1994 skipped 1995 and won in 1996 with Switzer. I think that is right.

No fair Googling. Off the top of my head.

I leave Romo out of this discussion becuz he sat for 4 years before he started once Bledsoe was benched. Obviously he was older by the time he really got going and managed a playoff against Seattle which he lost.

Now we come to our guy Dak.

He has been at this going on 5 years.

So as I have established..our QBs have been most successful very early in their careers as a rule. Usually by their first 3 years or so, more or less.

Without getting huffy and crying "Cherry picker" or "Fake Facts", etc..

Does it seem reasonable to think Dak can really win a SB the way he is going?

Should we be aware of the possibility that Dak could be another Danny White?

I am not really sure. After watching Mahomes do it this year early in his career and other guys not named Brady not get far like Wilson who also was early in his career..

the older Dak gets, the less chance I think he has of winning alot or deep into the playoffs to win a SB.

What do you REALLY think? Not what do you hope or want or pray for.

I know you guys love the numbers..so these is a few to rumenate over and discuss.

I personally would feel better with another young QB while this team is still relatively young. I am not talking contracts or length of contracts here. Other threads.

Ok..over to you then back to the draft.

 

[Redball Express]

Earlier this week there were positive reports on progress, now there has been no progress. Reports have been all over the place all off season, and it's all media nonsense to interest consumers.

I know.

Ain't we special.?

 

[G2]

You have derailed.

 

[KJJ]

You have derailed.

He derailed weeks ago.

 

[HungryLion]

How did I know this thread would
Be about Dak just from the title?

 

[America's Cowboy]

Dak just had his best statistical year barely 4 years into his career. He's been entering his prime years. All signs point up that he's only going to get better.

 

[Flamma]

Craig Morton was the first. He took us to the 1971 SB. He had been starting for about 2 years and had been in the league about 4 by that time.

But still just 2 years of starting.

Next we have Rodger the Dodger. Yes, he had been with the team a couple of seasons and had attended TC while in the Navy.

But in 1972 when we won the 1st SB, he was basically his first year as a starter. He won again in 1978 for his second SB. He was older and our oldest SB winning QB.

Danny White had been with the team mostly as a punter. Then Staubach retired from concussions and White became the starter. White took us to 3 straight NFC Championships and ran into Montana who blocked him.

But White was highly productive as a starter early in his starter career.

Then we have Aikman. Drafted 1989, his first SB was won by his 3rd year in the NFL. I believe that was 1993 and then in 1994 skipped 1995 and won in 1996 with Switzer. I think that is right.

No fair Googling. Off the top of my head.

I leave Romo out of this discussion becuz he sat for 4 years before he started once Bledsoe was benched. Obviously he was older by the time he really got going and managed a playoff against Seattle which he lost.

A few things. "Roger" was a little older than Romo. I think he was between 27-29 when he got the start.

Just nitpicking here, but I notice you're using the year the SB was actually played. But the banners say '71, '77, '92, '93, and '95. It's easier to go by that to eliminate any confusion.

A lot of these quarterbacks from Cowboys past played on some really good teams. I'm not even a Dak fan, but what has he had? Even in 2016 the defense sucked. Add to that a Jason Garrett coached team. I'm not sure we can compare him to QBs playing under Tom Landry. A lot of the team's success was coaching in the 70s. Before TD came on to the scene you had Staubach and a bunch of solid players on offense, and a really good D. A lot of teams had a bunch of solid players on offense. Coaching is why Dallas kept winning. The Cowboys still went to three straight championships after Staubach. They lost because it wasn't Roger at QB. Those games still burn me up.

What I'm trying to say is, Dak came into a system that was much less advantageous. Craig, Roger, Danny, Aikman, Landry and Johnson. Romo and Dak played most of their career coached by bums. Too bad Parcells didn't stick around. I'm just not sold either way on Dak at the moment. I just don't think there is any quarterback that Jason Garrett would take to a super bowl within their first few years.

 

[basel90]

The powers that be either wanted to find out if Prescott could lead the offense with his arm last season or the coaches essentially took what was given to them from opposing teams' defense each week which was more often than not Prescott using his arm as opposed to Elliott using his legs. As a result Prescott had inflated stats yet the team finished 8-8 for a number of reasons including special teams, the kicker, the coaching but also the QB.

The Colts laid the blueprint in how to beat this Cowboys team in 2018. They shut down our running game and asked Prescott to beat them over the top into tight windows in man coverage. The result was an embarrassing zero points on offense.

It's not Prescott hate just there on tape that often Prescott has struggled to step into his throws and he has struggled to consistently beat teams over the top in tight windows in man coverage. It improved when Cooper joined but he still does not do it consistently and that's why myself and many other people do not regard Prescott as a franchise QB. It's nothing personal it's simply because of the aforementioned points.

The Prescott lovers will still solely blame everything on the coaching but then ask yourself, how many games did we win last season with a 10+ points deficit? Again, those are the games where a franchise QB would dig out a few wins with his arm when required to do so.

Right on the money , the blueprint for exposing Dak was laid by the colts and he failed miserably . Many teams followed that and won easily , including some bad teams . The season finale against Philadelphia should have ended the argument about how good Dak is . It is insane to pay this man anymore than average QB pay ( 24-29 mil ) until the cowboys find a franchise QB .

 

[ShortRound]

You been quarantined too long, go for a drive

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Dak just had his best statistical year barely 4 years into his career. He's been entering his prime years. All signs point up that he's only going to get better.

You mean like how he failed in the lasts half of last season? That kind of "all signs say he'll get better"?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

"It is what it is." The Cowboys' FO is being ingenuous in saying Dak is the best, yet refuses to pay him accordingly. Too bad for all concerned. If they feel his inconsistency doesn't warrant elite pay, they should say so. Deception is always a bad look.

Whoa....FO said "dak is the best"? I didnt; see that. I don't blame them If they say it. It;s what teams do. But you say it and you can;t pay EVERYone for being the best and on your team. COme on man. /

 

[MLB53]

I think there's a lot of uncertainty now.

I bet a lot of the labor union and owners are tired of QBs eating up so much cap. At some point an owner is going to draw a line and say No. Could be Jerry.

McCarthy is another wildcard, as he's supposed to be a QB whisperer, and may prefer drafting his own to get the credit for developing.

I wonder too if Jerry's projections for the NFL cap have changed because of The Thing Which Must Not Be Named, and maybe locking in 100mil+ on a player isn't looking like quite the same wonderful idea with that uncertainty hanging over our heads.

Lots of moving pieces. Exciting times.

There should be a top QB rate, RB rate and so on, just like any other jobs, not outlandish raises every year..

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

In the end, the Cowboys and Dak will either agree to a mutually acceptable contract or they won't. Here's hoping for that to happen soon.

Well there's a fortune teller for ya! GREAT job who woulda thunk it.

 

[ESisback]

Over a period of decades there’s been more than a few QBs drafted in the later rounds that developed into solid starters and Dak is one of them. A small few of those QBs such as Brady, Brees, Montana and Fouts developed into HOF QBs but the odds are very long of landing a truly “great” QB after the first round. The odds go from about 50-50 which is the success rate of landing a franchise QB in the first round to less than that the farther you go in the draft.

The more rounds that pass the longer the odds become of landing a starting NFL QB. The problem with the majority of the fans on this board is they want the Cowboys to draft a QB to replace Dak. They’re not thinking backup they’re thinking starter. It’s been more than two decades and the Cleveland Browns are still looking for a QB to replace Bernie Kosar, despite burning the top pick in the draft on a QB twice. Miami is still trying to replace Dan Marino.

That’s how bad it’s gotten. SO MANY Cowboy fans are SO TIRED of the greed and ego and drama that never ends...they just want someone that wants to play football. With so many struggling, it’s kinda hard for some people to work up sympathy for people offered 100 million to play football, but they hold out for 125.

I like Dak, but he needs to suck it up and sign already. He’ll be filthy rich for life, AND he’ll have the goodwill of the fanbase, if that means anything anymore!

 

[Jake]

So today's deep thought is going to be about how..

and why we have won in the past with our QBs.

And yes this will be about Dak but that comes later..

and not what you think it will be coming from me.

I have been trying to feature the QBs lately as I think they best represent our teams and what do they have in common.

Ready?

When our team has been successful..

we had young QBs who took us quickly to success.

Craig Morton was the first. He took us to the 1971 SB. He had been starting for about 2 years and had been in the league about 4 by that time.

But still just 2 years of starting.

Next we have Rodger the Dodger. Yes, he had been with the team a couple of seasons and had attended TC while in the Navy.

But in 1972 when we won the 1st SB, he was basically his first year as a starter. He won again in 1978 for his second SB. He was older and our oldest SB winning QB.

Danny White had been with the team mostly as a punter. Then Staubach retired from concussions and White became the starter. White took us to 3 straight NFC Championships and ran into Montana who blocked him.

But White was highly productive as a starter early in his starter career.

Then we have Aikman. Drafted 1989, his first SB was won by his 3rd year in the NFL. I believe that was 1993 and then in 1994 skipped 1995 and won in 1996 with Switzer. I think that is right.

No fair Googling. Off the top of my head.

I leave Romo out of this discussion becuz he sat for 4 years before he started once Bledsoe was benched. Obviously he was older by the time he really got going and managed a playoff against Seattle which he lost.

Now we come to our guy Dak.

He has been at this going on 5 years.

So as I have established..our QBs have been most successful very early in their careers as a rule. Usually by their first 3 years or so, more or less.

Without getting huffy and crying "Cherry picker" or "Fake Facts", etc..

Does it seem reasonable to think Dak can really win a SB the way he is going?

Should we be aware of the possibility that Dak could be another Danny White?

I am not really sure. After watching Mahomes do it this year early in his career and other guys not named Brady not get far like Wilson who also was early in his career..

the older Dak gets, the less chance I think he has of winning alot or deep into the playoffs to win a SB.

What do you REALLY think? Not what do you hope or want or pray for.

I know you guys love the numbers..so these is a few to rumenate over and discuss.

I personally would feel better with another young QB while this team is still relatively young. I am not talking contracts or length of contracts here. Other threads.

Ok..over to you then back to the draft.

QB, QB, QB...some of you guys think QBs win regardless of what's around them.

The Cowboys SB champions all had a top 10 defense. Somewhere things became unhinged and it became the QB's job to outscore whatever the crappy defense allowed.

Dak has lost 2 playoff games. The Cowboys allowed 30+ points in both losses. Care to take a guess at how many playoff games the Cowboys have ever won when allowing 30+ points? The answer is NEVER. Meredith? No. Morton? No. Staubach? No. White? No. Aikman? No. Romo? No. Dak? No.

It's almost as if defense actually matters...or something.

 

[nobody]

Good grief...give it a rest. Can you go 1 week..just ONE week without starting a Dak thread?

 

[KJJ]

That’s how bad it’s gotten. SO MANY Cowboy fans are SO TIRED of the greed and ego and drama that never ends...they just want someone that wants to play football. With so many struggling, it’s kinda hard for some people to work up sympathy for people offered 100 million to play football, but they hold out for 125.

I like Dak, but he needs to suck it up and sign already. He’ll be filthy rich for life, AND he’ll have the goodwill of the fanbase, if that means anything anymore!

The majority of this fan base is so out of touch they’ll take someone’s backup QB or a QB that’s unemployed and is willing to play for peanuts to have a job or a starting opportunity. It’s like most of the fans on this board could care less if the Cowboys have a quality starting QB as long as they’ll play at a bargain. They want to go cheap at every key position on the team from QB, RB to WR. Just look at the threads! Some think you can plug-in any player and win without spending big money. This cabin fever we’re all suffering from has really caused some to go over the deep end.