Video: Chris Simms: Dak is not Top 5

[ABQCOWBOY]

Clearly a guy you sign in the 6-9 price range, not the #1 QB in the league range. And you should look up the definition of what a troll is, in regards to a sports forum.

I've looked it up.

This is my 3rd grade pic, BTW...........

 

[jjktkk]

That was the title of the video on youtube. I shared for my own entertainment.

You instigator you.

 

[Scotman]

That was the title of the video on youtube. I shared for my own entertainment.

Some people like to watch the world burn. LOL

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Hope so, I like your unis and am tired of Clemson and Dabo ruling the ACC.

Well, unfortunately, one recruiting class does not make UNC a favorite over Clemson but, I do understand what you are saying here Coach. I'm getting kinda tired of it too. LOL....

 

[Redline360]

Sorry...but...

Stats, results and videos prove you wrong.

Results? Those quarterbacks have superbowls, and playoff success. So that is a laughable no

Videos? Not sure what you mean by this. If I knew nothing about football and you gave me film on the quarterbacks mentioned Dak is no way in hell going to look better then them. Hell i just think about everyone knows besides the elite dak supporters that you are completely wrong.

Sorry....but...no

 

[CouchCoach]

Clearly a guy you sign in the 6-9 price range, not the #1 QB in the league range. And you should look up the definition of what a troll is, in regards to a sports forum.

But he will be in that 6-9 range, probably by 2022. He will get jumped by at least 3 QB's by 21.

If this is a 5 year deal, then the 5 years should be considered and only what he is actually paid and guaranteed.

Troll is used by many to describe anyone disagreeing with them as they can't possibly grasp why another fan would disagree. And some posters just can't seem to get through a post without calling another poster some name. I wonder if some of these posters that are so aggressive on this board are like that with people in person?

 

[jjktkk]

Not completely sold on Lamar right now. Love the guy in EXACTLY the offense he is running. But not sure about being in a typical offense without the perfect personnel for what he does around him.

He is helped by immensely great coaching. Belli type coaching.

I agree. Lets see how he does this year after NFL defenses get an off season to study film on him.

 

[romonumberone]

To all the pro Dak fans. I have ONE question & ONE question only.... that none of you in all the threads have yet explained or answered. If Dak is truly a top 10 QB than why does he struggle when he is even missing even just one piece of the all pro players around him? A top 10 QB does not do this.

When Dak was missing Smith he struggled. When Dak was missing Zeke he struggled. When Dak was missing Cooper he struggled.

Some teams might have a good RB..... other teams might have a good TE.... some teams might have a good O line...some teams might have good WR's. Dallas is probably the only team in the NFL right now that is loaded at every position on Offense. And not just loaded.... but you could argue the best at each and every position. In my opinion Dallas has the best WR's. I think Jarwin from a pass catching standpoint is a total stud and mismatch for opposing Defenses. We have a great O line and a very good RB. Dak 3 separate times in his 4 year career has struggled if even ONE piece is missing.

Can you imagine a QB like Dalton playing with the Cowboys Offense vs. playing on the Bengals? He knows he will light it up. I guarantee you he will outplay Dak in training camp. What Dalton did not take into account is that will not matter. Dallas has a history of not allowing QB competition.

If Jerry & Stephen really really believed that Dak was a total stud they would not keep acquiring more and more talent on the Offensive side of the ball.... they would put more resources into other areas. They know what most of us already know. That if everything is not perfect for Dak than he struggles. This is the same Jerry Jones who was once quoted in response to a question of why they did not draft more Offensive lineman and his reply was because with Romo playing QB they don't need too.

If you want to bring up records. Fine since this is a what have you done for me lately business.... they went 8-8 in 2019. Shut up about his prior record. He started 11-1. Since than he has been around .500. It took most of a year for teams to figure out how to beat Dallas.... the answer let Dak throw. I don't care about passing yards. It was padded stats & garbage time. All the top QB's in passing yards in 2019 had bad seasons and lost their jobs.... other than Dak. See Rivers and Winston. I have seen on this forum Dak homers bring up the Bears & Bills games as good games for Dak????

The only game where Dak played good and they still lost was against the Vikings.... and yet with the game on the line he looked away from a wide open Cobb & Cooper & threw a ball in the ground to Zeke.

I think Dallas overall has done a good job with the draft and signings. I think 9-7 is where they will finish. No playoffs. If they do no win 10 games or make the playoffs will you Dak fans start to see the truth. No Dak does not suck but he is not top 10 & certainly not a top 5 QB. I have the opinion he is average. I think he would rank around #19-#22 as far as QB's go.

If you want to try and feel better for Dallas having very little success with Dak as QB because of Garrett fine..... but what will your excuse be in 2020? From year 2 on Dallas went 9-7.... it would have been 8-8 if not for Philly playing their bench on the last week. 10-6... some flukey wins.... Giants Cole Beasley catch comes to mind. And than 8-8.... some tough close losses. So even with all this talent every year Dallas is a 9-7 team under Dak. The coach is gone. So we all shall see. Truthfully I am not going to change anyone's opinion just like no one is going to change mine. We are all Cowboy fans. Lets talk about other topics on the team and just lets see how it all plays out. It is very rare on an internet forum for anyone to say... "You know what.... you are right, & I was wrong. Thanks!" Everyone has dug their heels in.

My opinion is he is an average QB.... I feel like I am being kind going that far. He is greedy and in my opinion not that bright. I do feel awful for him about his brother and I hope he is doing okay. I am rooting for him. I think a change was necessary Romo could not stay healthy.... I do wish Romo would have been given his starting job back in 2016 because he gave us a better shot short term to win a SB.

 

[Beaker42]

This video is everything in a nut shell soup to nuts. 100% accurate in every way.

Not top 5. 6-9 Clearly not average, clearly better than the trolls say. Clearly a guy you sign.

Case closed, argument over, trolls take a beating.

Not for the $$ he’s wanting. If that’s the case, he’s a $20mil per guy, not $35mil

 

[JoeKing]

All you have to do is watch this.....



Or this....


But this was the best...

Cherry-picking Dak's worst weeks isn't what is considered an accurate assessment of the man's ability. But this what we've come to expect from haters like you. Your assessment is more troll-like and less serious.

 

[CouchCoach]

Well, unfortunately, one recruiting class does not make UNC a favorite over Clemson but, I do understand what you are saying here Coach. I'm getting kinda tired of it too. LOL....

It's the same thing with OU ruling the Big 12, that recruiting program is so strong.

I remember watching a Bama-Miss St game when Prescott was playing and they were both ranked in the top 5. The announcers pointed out two players on the Miss ST sideline and remarked those are the only two 4-5 Star recruits on the Miss St roster. By contrast, Bama has only two players on the roster that are not at least 4 Star recruits. They didn't pick them out but the contrast and coaching comparisons weren't really fair but I will say that Saban did turn that program, just as Dabo has following the Bama blueprint.

Riley inherited a great recruiting program and has exploited that really well. Two years ago in the Bedlam game, the announcers pointed out that OSU was over 50% OK recruits while OU had one player recruited from the home state.

 

[Roland]

Doing well, thanks.
You too.

Btw, good looking recruiting class coming in for Tar Heel hoops.

good, they need it. They were pretty bad last year. (Tarheels)

 

[JoeKing]

To all the pro Dak fans. I have ONE question & ONE question only.... that none of you in all the threads have yet explained or answered. If Dak is truly a top 10 QB than why does he struggle when he is even missing even just one piece of the all pro players around him? A top 10 QB does not do this.

When Dak was missing Smith he struggled. When Dak was missing Zeke he struggled. When Dak was missing Cooper he struggled.

Some teams might have a good RB..... other teams might have a good TE.... some teams might have a good O line...some teams might have good WR's. Dallas is probably the only team in the NFL right now that is loaded at every position on Offense. And not just loaded.... but you could argue the best at each and every position. In my opinion Dallas has the best WR's. I think Jarwin from a pass catching standpoint is a total stud and mismatch for opposing Defenses. We have a great O line and a very good RB. Dak 3 separate times in his 4 year career has struggled if even ONE piece is missing.

Can you imagine a QB like Dalton playing with the Cowboys Offense vs. playing on the Bengals? He knows he will light it up. I guarantee you he will outplay Dak in training camp. What Dalton did not take into account is that will not matter. Dallas has a history of not allowing QB competition.

If Jerry & Stephen really really believed that Dak was a total stud they would not keep acquiring more and more talent on the Offensive side of the ball.... they would put more resources into other areas. They know what most of us already know. That if everything is not perfect for Dak than he struggles. This is the same Jerry Jones who was once quoted in response to a question of why they did not draft more Offensive lineman and his reply was because with Romo playing QB they don't need too.

If you want to bring up records. Fine since this is a what have you done for me lately business.... they went 8-8 in 2019. Shut up about his prior record. He started 11-1. Since than he has been around .500. It took most of a year for teams to figure out how to beat Dallas.... the answer let Dak throw. I don't care about passing yards. It was padded stats & garbage time. All the top QB's in passing yards in 2019 had bad seasons and lost their jobs.... other than Dak. See Rivers and Winston. I have seen on this forum Dak homers bring up the Bears & Bills games as good games for Dak????

The only game where Dak played good and they still lost was against the Vikings.... and yet with the game on the line he looked away from a wide open Cobb & Cooper & threw a ball in the ground to Zeke.

I think Dallas overall has done a good job with the draft and signings. I think 9-7 is where they will finish. No playoffs. If they do no win 10 games or make the playoffs will you Dak fans start to see the truth. No Dak does not suck but he is not top 10 & certainly not a top 5 QB. I have the opinion he is average. I think he would rank around #19-#22 as far as QB's go.

If you want to try and feel better for Dallas having very little success with Dak as QB because of Garrett fine..... but what will your excuse be in 2020? From year 2 on Dallas went 9-7.... it would have been 8-8 if not for Philly playing their bench on the last week. 10-6... some flukey wins.... Giants Cole Beasley catch comes to mind. And than 8-8.... some tough close losses. So even with all this talent every year Dallas is a 9-7 team under Dak. The coach is gone. So we all shall see. Truthfully I am not going to change anyone's opinion just like no one is going to change mine. We are all Cowboy fans. Lets talk about other topics on the team and just lets see how it all plays out. It is very rare on an internet forum for anyone to say... "You know what.... you are right, & I was wrong. Thanks!" Everyone has dug their heels in.

My opinion is he is an average QB.... I feel like I am being kind going that far. He is greedy and in my opinion not that bright. I do feel awful for him about his brother and I hope he is doing okay. I am rooting for him. I think a change was necessary Romo could not stay healthy.... I do wish Romo would have been given his starting job back in 2016 because he gave us a better shot short term to win a SB.

For someone that has just one question to ask, you sure do ramble on and on and on and on.

Your "one question" has a false premise. Dak's won 40 games in four seasons. Do you really think he had his full complement of weapons for 40 games the past 4 years? There are plenty of examples of games he won without all his weapons available.

As for the rest of your post... you lost me after your BS "one question".

tl/dr

 

[JBS]

To all the pro Dak fans. I have ONE question & ONE question only.... that none of you in all the threads have yet explained or answered. If Dak is truly a top 10 QB than why does he struggle when he is even missing even just one piece of the all pro players around him? A top 10 QB does not do this.

When Dak was missing Smith he struggled. When Dak was missing Zeke he struggled. When Dak was missing Cooper he struggled.

Some teams might have a good RB..... other teams might have a good TE.... some teams might have a good O line...some teams might have good WR's. Dallas is probably the only team in the NFL right now that is loaded at every position on Offense. And not just loaded.... but you could argue the best at each and every position. In my opinion Dallas has the best WR's. I think Jarwin from a pass catching standpoint is a total stud and mismatch for opposing Defenses. We have a great O line and a very good RB. Dak 3 separate times in his 4 year career has struggled if even ONE piece is missing.

Can you imagine a QB like Dalton playing with the Cowboys Offense vs. playing on the Bengals? He knows he will light it up. I guarantee you he will outplay Dak in training camp. What Dalton did not take into account is that will not matter. Dallas has a history of not allowing QB competition.

If Jerry & Stephen really really believed that Dak was a total stud they would not keep acquiring more and more talent on the Offensive side of the ball.... they would put more resources into other areas. They know what most of us already know. That if everything is not perfect for Dak than he struggles. This is the same Jerry Jones who was once quoted in response to a question of why they did not draft more Offensive lineman and his reply was because with Romo playing QB they don't need too.

If you want to bring up records. Fine since this is a what have you done for me lately business.... they went 8-8 in 2019. Shut up about his prior record. He started 11-1. Since than he has been around .500. It took most of a year for teams to figure out how to beat Dallas.... the answer let Dak throw. I don't care about passing yards. It was padded stats & garbage time. All the top QB's in passing yards in 2019 had bad seasons and lost their jobs.... other than Dak. See Rivers and Winston. I have seen on this forum Dak homers bring up the Bears & Bills games as good games for Dak????

The only game where Dak played good and they still lost was against the Vikings.... and yet with the game on the line he looked away from a wide open Cobb & Cooper & threw a ball in the ground to Zeke.

I think Dallas overall has done a good job with the draft and signings. I think 9-7 is where they will finish. No playoffs. If they do no win 10 games or make the playoffs will you Dak fans start to see the truth. No Dak does not suck but he is not top 10 & certainly not a top 5 QB. I have the opinion he is average. I think he would rank around #19-#22 as far as QB's go.

If you want to try and feel better for Dallas having very little success with Dak as QB because of Garrett fine..... but what will your excuse be in 2020? From year 2 on Dallas went 9-7.... it would have been 8-8 if not for Philly playing their bench on the last week. 10-6... some flukey wins.... Giants Cole Beasley catch comes to mind. And than 8-8.... some tough close losses. So even with all this talent every year Dallas is a 9-7 team under Dak. The coach is gone. So we all shall see. Truthfully I am not going to change anyone's opinion just like no one is going to change mine. We are all Cowboy fans. Lets talk about other topics on the team and just lets see how it all plays out. It is very rare on an internet forum for anyone to say... "You know what.... you are right, & I was wrong. Thanks!" Everyone has dug their heels in.

My opinion is he is an average QB.... I feel like I am being kind going that far. He is greedy and in my opinion not that bright. I do feel awful for him about his brother and I hope he is doing okay. I am rooting for him. I think a change was necessary Romo could not stay healthy.... I do wish Romo would have been given his starting job back in 2016 because he gave us a better shot short term to win a SB.

Dak has had games where he was missing players and didn't struggle. This isn't true. It might not be as often as you like, but his success is not not at 0% like you are claiming

 

[DFWJC]

Well, unfortunately, one recruiting class does not make UNC a favorite over Clemson but, I do understand what you are saying here Coach. I'm getting kinda tired of it too. LOL....

As long as the trajectory is up--which it certainly is--I'm good!
UNC hasn't been a regular top 15-20 program since the last time Mack was there.

 

[Redball Express]

Simms says Dak is 6-9.

Nice.

QBs who have played in the NFL I will listen to.

Reporters who just collect info from people like fans or other writers looking for writing material just are not good enough.

I once had a good friend who we would meet each other and we would meet at the gym and do a circuit of machines, shower and hit the pool.

He did a radio talk show in the afternoon. He would sit bu the pool with a bunch or newspapers and circle stories to discuss live on his live talk show.

So he would take calls about his daily topics and chat and exchange.

Bottom line was, while not an expert he was definitely a source.

So like Simms and others in the football mainstream..you just have to filter.

As far as Dak is concerned, they probably have Dak spotted correctly as a Top 10 guy.

But the problem is, in order to pay him..how do you factor in the talent around him and how to you arrive at a net worth.?

This is the problem. I spent time in my careers being a Real Estate Broker. To sell a house, you have a very mathematical process to arrive at a selling price.

You look at 6 comparables in the last 6 months and see what they sold for. Then you add or subtract values for pool or no pool, 2 car garage vs. 3 car garage etc.

Finally you arrive at your asking price.

Lastly, you market and see what offers come in. You have a starting point.

The market has been set already..Wilson, Wentz, etc.

Dak wanting to buck that is fine but it takes buyer and seller to agree.

Tricky tricky.

 

[doomsday9084]

dont worry about the Cap,its going to explode in the coming years.

I really question that. I know we aren't supposed to talk about covid19 here but I'm just not seeing a scenario where next year is an up year for the cap. Its a league wide revenue percentage and revenue is going to be strained next year.

 

[doomsday9084]

History doesn't say that at all. History doesn't have enough evidence to say either way. These high QB salaries just started 3-5 years ago.

Funny, because I didn't hear you say anything about a window when Dak was on his rookie deal.

Paying a QB big money simply means you have to manage your cap well. That's all it says. And as it stands, Cowboys are in great position with the cap now and going forward.

There is a table floating around with the cap percentage hits for all the superbowl winning QB's. Everyone has seen it. No one has won with a salary like is being discussed for Dak. History says you don't win with non top 5 QB's making top money. I don't think it has happened once.

As far as cap now, Dallas has gaping holes on defense. Despite that, they let Quinn and Jones go and really didn't go after anyone of note. Dak supporters have been more than happy to point out how bad the defense is to deflect blame but when the #don'tpaydak crowd talks about having money to fix it, Dak people don't want to hear about it.

The cap going forward issue gets into economics and covid19. That's not a topic worth delving into.

 

[reddyuta]

I really question that. I know we aren't supposed to talk about covid19 here but I'm just not seeing a scenario where next year is an up year for the cap. Its a league wide revenue percentage and revenue is going to be strained next year.

i frankly dont think the NFL,people are desperate for football and the advertising will increase after everything gets back to normal.

 

[romonumberone]

Dak has had games where he was missing players and didn't struggle. This isn't true. It might not be as often as you like, but his success is not not at 0% like you are claiming

Than give me one example.