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Dez caught it.
Gosh, it only took a page for this schtick to show up in the thread.
The NFL later admitted Dez made the catch and the Butler call wasn't correct because he never entered the huddle. You can kinda, sorta imagine the wording being OK with that thread but its a call that hadn't been enforced in 10+ years.
All of these things can be true:
1 - there is absolutely no conspiracy against any individual team and the calls always even out
2 - every team has fans that are convinced the refs are out to get them
3 - when Jerry challenged Goodell over Zeke's suspension and took money out of Goodell's paycheck, holding calls against opposing OL stopped for the eight or so weeks Goodell was fighting with Jerry.
And it only took 4 posts for your lies to enter the thread. One I've busted you on in the past before you melted down like a toddler. Allow me to show everyone.
Regarding your Scooby Doo and the Gang logic in #3, the simple question to be asked is how often such streaks happen in the NFL which I did. When you lied stating that it had "only happened twice in the history of the NFL" I pressed you on who it was and you couldn't answer, melting into a puddle at being owned.
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/i-am-sick-of-one-side-officiating.418118/page-13#post-8609949
And show proof that the NFL "admitted" Dez actually caught it back in 2014 under those rules and not that under the new rule it would have been a catch, which is what they stated when they rolled the new rule out years later. You can't because you're a liar on these boards.
And as for Butler, this is proof fools like you don't know the rules. Butler's foul actually had nothing to do with him in the huddle, although that could have been called too if they wanted. Observe the 2016 rules. I even made the pertinent parts a different color so even you can recognize it.
ARTICLE 8. PENALTIES FOR ILLEGAL SUBSTITUTION OR WITHDRAWAL. Penalties are:
(a) For 12 or more players in the offensive huddle (whistle blown immediately and ball remains dead): Loss of five yards from
the succeeding spot.
(b) For a substitute entering the field during a live ball: Loss of five yards.
(c) For interference with the play by a substitute who enters the field during a live ball: Palpably unfair act. See 12-3-3.
(d) For an offensive substitute who does not move onto the field as far as the inside of the field numerals: Loss of five yards
from the previous spot.
(e) For an offensive substitute who moves onto the field inside the field numerals and leaves without participating in one play:
Unsportsmanlike Conduct. See 5-2-5 Note.
(f) For a withdrawn player clearing the field on the opponents’ side or across an end line: Loss of five yards from the previous
spot.
(g) For illegal return of a suspended player: Loss of five yards from the previous spot if discovery is made while the ball is in
play, or five yards from the succeeding spot if discovered between downs, in which case the ball remains dead.
(h) For return of a disqualified player: Loss of 15 yards from the previous spot if discovery is made while the ball is in play, or
15 yards from the succeeding spot if discovered between downs, in which case the ball remains dead, and, in either case,
exclusion from the playing field enclosure.
Note: If the illegal return of a player is not discovered until the end of a down, but prior to the start of the next one,
enforcement is from the previous spot when definitely known. Otherwise, enforcement is from the succeeding spot as a
foul between downs. See 14-4-9.
Note that in (a) with 12 men in the huddle the whistle is blown immediately. Did that happen with the Butler penalty? No, tool, because (e) applied. The ref actually made the wrong announcement when he called the penalty. This is discoverable by simple reading. Did Butler run past the numerals and not participate in the play? This is also a snap penalty, meaning that coaches could have told Garrett to call a timeout if they realized the confusion and what Butler did. But they didn't. However, CONSPIRACY! is easier to claim than actually knowing the playing rules. So go back to kissing xwalker's rear when he posts because because crossing into my domain does you no favors, son.
Owned again, clown. But keep trying to avenge being busted lying, fanboi. LOL.
And it only took 4 posts for your lies to enter the thread. One I've busted you on in the past before you melted down like a toddler. Allow me to show everyone.
How funny is that? I cornered kaiser on a different lie in this same thread.
Note that in (a) with 12 men in the huddle the whistle is blown immediately. Did that happen with the Butler penalty? No, tool, because (e) applied.
The thread where you edited post #25 and lied about doing so?
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/the-“refs-are-out-to-get-us”-evidence-is-actually-thin.459177/page-2
Yes, I can deny “the refs swallow their whistles when we play”. We had 109 penalties called against us in 2019. Our opponents had 102. Take a sample game- week 16 against Philly- the most critical of the year. We lost, but Philly had more penalties called against them and for more yards than we did.
I think the key phrase you used earlier was “it feels like” because there’s no hard evidence of that.
How funny is that? I cornered kaiser on a different lie in this same thread.
Same schtick, only now he is getting paid by the word. You are claiming people lied because you weren't willing to read the threads, instead posting "You gotta show me" nonsense.
The NFL admitted the Dez play was a catch and put in the "new rule" to clarify that and prevent the situation from ever happening again.
https://www.nbcsports.com/washingto...now-says-cowboys-dez-bryant-did-fact-catch-it
Now, run along and try to figure out who Golden Tate plays for.
According to New York Giants owner and NFL competition committee member, John Mara, the league reached a unanimous agreement that it should be ruled a completion IN THE FUTURE. (emphasis mine)"
It's what he does. We're not the only ones who see it. I remember there was a thread full of people calling him a clown. I didn't even feel the need to join in it was so bad. Let's taka walk down memory lane:
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/mccarthy-quote-on-kellen-moore.451629/
Then why did they wait until after a 22 yard gain to call it? And privately admit it was the wrong call?
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/01/19/nfl-admits-mistake-on-huddle-penalty-on-brice-butler/
Referee Tony Corrente told a pool reporter after the game that it isn’t “an obscure rule” and that Butler “has to stay either in the game or they can call a timeout and get out of it.”
Thanks for linking to same posts I referenced!
Where’s the lie?
The screenshots are there.
Did you not just see this tidbit in the very article you linked?
In other words, exactly what I said in my post above.
Oh brother..Every year, during every Cowboys game, the cries of “These refs are out to get us”, or “Goodell has this crew paid off to get us” go out. But it does beg the question, Is this really true? What evidence do we have that we are getting hosed by the guys in stripes?
Looking at the number of total penalties called during the season is one way to look at the big picture of how often the Cowboys are being flagged during games compared to the rest of the league. Here’s a link to a pretty good free site to examine penalties called: https://www.nflpenalties.com/phase.php?year=2018
Here’s how the Cowboys stacked up last year when it came to penalties called against us:
So looking at 2019 in the penalties called department, it looks like we weren’t penalized as much as most teams.
- The Cowboys were 21st in the NFL last year in total number of penalties called against us. In other words, 20 of the 32 teams in the NFL had more penalties called than we did.
- We were ranked 10th in the league in offensive holding calls against us, which is in the top third. But here’s some perspective: We were called 25 times for offensive holding. Our opponents were called 25 times last year for offensive holding. Can’t say we were unequally called.
- In a year when defensive holding was seemingly called constantly, the Cowboys were ranked 24th in number of defensive holding calls.
one thing I will say is the quality of refereeing in the NFL has dropped in my opinion. But I don’t think any one team has been the beneficiary of the refs bad calls. This is a problem the NFL needs to address. It’s not a fairness issue as much as a quality issue.
In other words, you skipped over the quote in that article that proved you wrong:
The NFL competition committee appears to have unanimous agreement that controversial catch rulings involving Dez Bryant and Calvin Johnson should have been ruled complete, according to Giants owner John Mara.
Have you two noticed that the only likes you get is from each other?
"The Jesse James play, I think SHOULD be a completion, Mara said, but I'm not sure we're unanimous on that. But plays where guys seem to make the catch and then make a football move with it, I think most of us agree those SHOULD be completions. Now it's just a question of coming up with the right language (emphasis mine)."
Too funny you had to edit this one also.
Did you edit post #25 in that thread? (Hint, you did)
Did you say "100% of 37 is 74?" (Hint, you did)
In other words, you skipped over the quote in that article that proved you wrong:
The NFL competition committee appears to have unanimous agreement that controversial catch rulings involving Dez Bryant and Calvin Johnson should have been ruled complete, according to Giants owner John Mara.
Have you two noticed that the only likes you get is from each other?
Every year, during every Cowboys game, the cries of “These refs are out to get us”, or “Goodell has this crew paid off to get us” go out. But it does beg the question, Is this really true? What evidence do we have that we are getting hosed by the guys in stripes?
Looking at the number of total penalties called during the season is one way to look at the big picture of how often the Cowboys are being flagged during games compared to the rest of the league. Here’s a link to a pretty good free site to examine penalties called: https://www.nflpenalties.com/phase.php?year=2018
Here’s how the Cowboys stacked up last year when it came to penalties called against us:
So looking at 2019 in the penalties called department, it looks like we weren’t penalized as much as most teams.
- The Cowboys were 21st in the NFL last year in total number of penalties called against us. In other words, 20 of the 32 teams in the NFL had more penalties called than we did.
- We were ranked 10th in the league in offensive holding calls against us, which is in the top third. But here’s some perspective: We were called 25 times for offensive holding. Our opponents were called 25 times last year for offensive holding. Can’t say we were unequally called.
- In a year when defensive holding was seemingly called constantly, the Cowboys were ranked 24th in number of defensive holding calls.
one thing I will say is the quality of refereeing in the NFL has dropped in my opinion. But I don’t think any one team has been the beneficiary of the refs bad calls. This is a problem the NFL needs to address. It’s not a fairness issue as much as a quality issue.
Every year, during every Cowboys game, the cries of “These refs are out to get us”, or “Goodell has this crew paid off to get us” go out. But it does beg the question, Is this really true? What evidence do we have that we are getting hosed by the guys in stripes?
Looking at the number of total penalties called during the season is one way to look at the big picture of how often the Cowboys are being flagged during games compared to the rest of the league. Here’s a link to a pretty good free site to examine penalties called: https://www.nflpenalties.com/phase.php?year=2018
Here’s how the Cowboys stacked up last year when it came to penalties called against us:
So looking at 2019 in the penalties called department, it looks like we weren’t penalized as much as most teams.
- The Cowboys were 21st in the NFL last year in total number of penalties called against us. In other words, 20 of the 32 teams in the NFL had more penalties called than we did.
- We were ranked 10th in the league in offensive holding calls against us, which is in the top third. But here’s some perspective: We were called 25 times for offensive holding. Our opponents were called 25 times last year for offensive holding. Can’t say we were unequally called.
- In a year when defensive holding was seemingly called constantly, the Cowboys were ranked 24th in number of defensive holding calls.
one thing I will say is the quality of refereeing in the NFL has dropped in my opinion. But I don’t think any one team has been the beneficiary of the refs bad calls. This is a problem the NFL needs to address. It’s not a fairness issue as much as a quality issue.