Alarming stat downplays Dak Prescott's passing ability

[basel90]

The most disturbing part is Dak has yet to shoulder the team and carry them to victory against a decent opponent. The Seattle playoff win was more Zeke and the defense. Yes Dak made a great run but had he thrown a TD pass that would of been more impressive. He has WRs getting open and somehow people think McCarthy is going to fix this. McCarthy can't throw the ball for him. If there was ever a game Dak could prove he can carry the team there were half a dozen last year. When Zeke gets shut down this team can't do crap.

Very true . Dak has not proven anything yet . Behind the top OL and Running game and elite talent at WR , all we saw is padded stats from Dak , and a disappearing act when the going gets tough against decent teams or when the run game struggles .

 

[Diehardblues]

Barring any huge injuries on offense, Dak will have the pieces he needs. QB’s that get paid like top 5 players are held to higher standard.

Right! Probably as much supporting cast offensively as any QB in the league and no longer coaching to blame. Super Bowl or Bust!

 

[Diehardblues]

Very true . Dak has not proven anything yet . Behind the top OL and Running game and elite talent at WR , all we saw is padded stats from Dak , and a disappearing act when the going gets tough against decent teams or when the run game struggles .

Yep
0-5 against teams with 10 wins or more last year.

In our 8 losses averaged only 15 points a game. Not what we’d expect from a top 5 QB and #1 offense.

In our 8 wins against lesser opponents he played at a very high level.

 

[InTheZone]

Winston had how many yards? And hes a backup...

 

[InTheZone]

Yep
0-5 against teams with 10 wins or more last year.

In our 8 losses averaged only 15 points a game. Not what we’d expect from a top 5 QB and #1 offense.

In our 8 wins against lesser opponents he played at a very high level.

He has andrew luck syndrome, bully the bad teams, get punched back vs relevant teams

 

[big dog cowboy]

And I’m not sure how drops are defined but it sounds like an excuse category to me.

Seriously???

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Very true . Dak has not proven anything yet . Behind the top OL and Running game and elite talent at WR , all we saw is padded stats from Dak , and a disappearing act when the going gets tough against decent teams or when the run game struggles .

he has proven to be among the best QBs in the league, in passing and every other stat when given that talent. there is no QB who achieves those high numbers without having talent on the team.

and I keep hearing these padded stats, yet, I have neve seen anyone provide any iota of data or stats or facts to show it...or is it the most accurate of all methods the "eye test" that tells you that....

btw, you can evaluate Dak's performance when Zeke was out and when zeke struggles, you will be disappointed, given your point of view, that perhaps your eye test is failing you again...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yep
0-5 against teams with 10 wins or more last year.

In our 8 losses averaged only 15 points a game. Not what we’d expect from a top 5 QB and #1 offense.

In our 8 wins against lesser opponents he played at a very high level.

so is all wins and losses fall on Dak? nobody else on the team is accountable for wins and losses? just want to make sure we are clear on this type of evaluation....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Right! Probably as much supporting cast offensively as any QB in the league and no longer coaching to blame. Super Bowl or Bust!

we are not going to the superbowl. never been done before, with a new coaching staff (externally hired). we are not going to NFCCG. highly unlikely. never been done before.....new system. new coaches. new schemes. it will take time for it to come together....if we go to the superbowl, then Mac is coach of the decade in the first year of the decade...

 

[Future]

Yep
0-5 against teams with 10 wins or more last year.

In our 8 losses averaged only 15 points a game. Not what we’d expect from a top 5 QB and #1 offense.

In our 8 wins against lesser opponents he played at a very high level.

Dak killed both the Vikings and Packers, and neither loss was on him.

But go ahead and keep pushing this nonsense.

 

[Diehardblues]

Dak killed both the Vikings and Packers, and neither loss was on him.

But go ahead and keep pushing this nonsense.

Show me where I said the losses were on Dak. I’m simply reporting the results.

 

[Future]

Show me where I said the losses were on Dak. I’m simply reporting the results.

Not explicitly, but you're saying he was bad in those games which...same difference.

 

[Diehardblues]

so is all wins and losses fall on Dak? nobody else on the team is accountable for wins and losses? just want to make sure we are clear on this type of evaluation....

Where have I said any losses were on Dak?

I’m simply reporting the results.

In our 8 wins against lesser opponents we put up big numbers offensively averaging 35 points a game. In our 8 losses we averaged 15 points a game.

We were 0-5 against teams with 10 wins or more.

 

[Diehardblues]

Not explicitly, but you're saying he was bad in those games which...same difference.

Again, I didn’t use those words. That’s your interpretation.

Im saying offensively we didn’t perform as well in our 8 losses or against teams with 10 wins or more.

 

[Redball Express]

27-21 with Garrett as head coach, not much help from the defense and bad to horribly bad special teams, dropped passes........

Winning despite those obstacles says something. Literally the odds were stacked against him.

Hmmmm...

Not that I can't see some of the issues involved..

but saying Dak has not had enough help is going over the top.

Back in 2019 as I recall..

Dak had like 9 or more Pro Bowlers that year to support him.

Since then pieces like Amari and other FAs have been added or drafted to help Dak.

Romo never had that support on his team's.

It was just Romo, Dez and Witten and the others were like the deck chairs on the Titanic. Constantly being rearranged.

Dak has a roster of annual All Pros around him on offense.

Wilson, Rodgers and Cousins would kill for what Dak has been given.

So saying Dak has been handicapped is just over stating things.

Later.

Woof.

 

[Clarkson]

yup. what else can be said to such nonsense? there's no point with some people.

 

[Diehardblues]

If we continue producing poorly offensively against more Elite opponents how do we expect to reach the next level?

Our Cap investment is heavy on offense. If we have the #1 offense and a top 5 paid QB surely we can expect them to perform at a higher level against at least some of these more Elite teams with 10 wins or more carrying us to victory.

If not then perhaps we need to re-evaluate our investments . And maybe we have over valued some of our talent.

 

[Redball Express]

If we continue producing poorly offensively against more Elite opponents how do we expect to reach the next level?

Our Cap investment is heavy on offense. If we have the #1 offense and a top 5 paid QB surely we can expect them to perform at a higher level against at least some of these more Elite teams with 10 wins or more carrying us to victory.

If not then perhaps we need to re-evaluate our investments . And maybe we have over valued some of our talent.

Over value talent?

Surely you jest sir.

We have PT Barnam Jones as our chief sox and bottle washer.

He would never over sell us. His paying public?

His life blood?

Would he.?

 

[OmerV]

Alarming stat downplays Dak Prescott's passing ability

• By Brad Crawford
• Jun 8, 2020 at 7:50 am ET • 1 min read

Dallas Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott last fall enjoyed a career-best season, one that would've been even better had his receivers held onto the football. According to Pro Football Focus, Prescott led the NFL in air yards lost on dropped passes with 392 thanks to a group of receivers that were wildly-inconsistent when targeted.

Prescott finished with a career-high 4,902 passing yards (1 yard shy of tying Tony Romo's franchise single season passing yards record...and 2 yards shy of breaking it), nearly breaking the all-time single-season franchise record and has used that production as a primary strength during the negotiation process this offseason. Cowboys wideout Michael Gallup ranked second in the league with 11 drops on 113 targets while Randall Cobb in the slot tied for sixth with eight drops on 83 targets.

These numbers prove Prescott would in fact be considered among the league's elite under center if his supporting cast did a better job of holding up their end of the bargain.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/alarming-stat-downplays-dak-prescotts-passing-ability/
via: cbssports

If one adds those 392 air yards lost (due to Cowboys WRs leading the league in drops in 2019) to Dak's career-high 4,902 passing yards, that would have increased his total to 5,294 yards: roughly 5,300 passing in 2019...by far the highest single season Cowboys franchise passing record and without a doubt an elite passer throughout the league. It also would have landed Dak with the 3rd highest single season passing yards ever in NFL history:

Current NFL Top 10 highest single season passing records:

1 Peyton Manning (37) 5,477 2013 DEN
2 Drew Brees (32) 5,476 2011 NOR
3 Tom Brady (34) 5,235 2011 NWE
4 Drew Brees (37) 5,208 2016 NOR
5 Drew Brees (33) 5,177 2012 NOR
6 Drew Brees (34) 5,162 2013 NOR
7 Ben Roethlisberger (36) 5,129 2018 PIT
8 Jameis Winston (25) 5,109 2019 TAM
9 Patrick Mahomes (22) 5,097 2018 KAN
10 Dan Marino+ (22) 5,084 1984 MIA

No wonder Dak at age 26 (entering his prime) is holding out for top overall QB pay. He's only going to get better under new Head Coach Mike McCarthy and his pro-passer QB system.


How Bout Them Cowboys!

A bit of a flaw in this is that by adding in all of the 392 air yards lost by drops you have assumed stats based on having zero drops for the year. Obviously that's not realistic, although if even a portion of those drops were caught, between the air yards, and whatever yards might have been gained after the catch, it's not unreasonable to think Dak would have been over 5,000 yards.

 

[Diehardblues]

Seriously???

Yes