Letting Dak go will be the best thing Cowboys can do

[Swagger]

Dak very much is a product of the offense that Jerry built. I believe this team is built so QB friendly that an average QB can come in and look pretty good. Dak is an athlete playing QB, he doesnt have that natural ability to throw the football with accuracy and velocity. He isnt bad but he will never fire the football into that tight window on a quick slant into the endzone between defenders. He doesnt possess that ability and thats where the layers are peeled back on his talent. Good QBs place the ball on different areas of the WRs catch zone to help him but Dak just throws at the big target. Daks ability to consistently hit a short moving target like Zeke out of the backfield is not great either. Thats why Zeke usually runs out of the backfield and stops and turns to give Dak a stationary target to throw to. Dak is not worth the money he is asking for!

Excellent points and I agree. He is very much a manufactured QB, he doesn't have a natural feel for the position and it's obvious to see when watching him play.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I mean if you let him go, then you are stuck in the draft. A first round QB has about a 2/3 of being a bust (more of being worse than Dak of course) based on the past few years. Assuming you draft a QB every 3 years in the first round that means on average it will take 3 first round picks and 6 years to find a QB who you can win with.

I'll take a 33% chance of hitting on a first round QB over a 0% chance of winning with Dak sucking down 35+ million of cap space every year.

 

[Jeffkills]

I'll take a 33% chance of hitting on a first round QB over a 0% of winning with Dak sucking down 35+ million of cap space every year.

Just have Dalton hold it down for a couple years; It's so simple....

Something to consider: a guy like Dalton certainty wouldn't turn his nose up at the chance to be QB1 for the Dallas Cowboys - since he's a hometown kid...

All we need to do is accurately scout a top prospect, then go up in the draft and get him!

We'd need a big trade, but the trade-off, not being handcuffed to a TERRIBLE deal will be much bigger...

Just gotta hit on the pick...

Fantastic job on the Dalton acquisition!!

 

[Diehardblues]

He’s a lot better player than he gets credit for. And our OL’s pass blocking is overrated. So is the importance of an all-pro RB. We’ve only really had good WRs one of the three seasons he’s been in the league.

So you don’t count Cooper for half the season in 2018 or Dez, one of the Cowboys statistically best receivers in club history regardless if he wasn’t as productive with Dak.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I mean if you let him go, then you are stuck in the draft. A first round QB has about a 2/3 of being a bust (more of being worse than Dak of course) based on the past few years. Assuming you draft a QB every 3 years in the first round that means on average it will take 3 first round picks and 6 years to find a QB who you can win with.

It's a matter of the Cowboys having to look at alternatives...we'll have to extend Dalton and draft a QB.

That's just the situation.....when it comes down to it Dak is a victim of:

1) A poor 2018, which meant that the first offer he could be made following his rookie contract was understandably low.
2) An agent who's using Dak to make a name for themselves.

 

[John813]

We will get a third round compensatory pick at minimum plus the cap savings if Dak walks after this season.

I would tag him but with the non exclusive FT. Then if another team wants to offer 2021 draft picks then I'll listen.
Letting a starting QB walk for a 2022 3rd seems low and risky. Cause if they sign a vet to replace him it could wash out the comp pick to a lower one.

*Dalton is here, but I rather go in 2021 with someone better.

**All this is if both sides still continue to butt heads

 

[mcmvp]

That makes no sense. So a outsider who doesn't watch the Cowboys will give a more objective and impartial view than a biased fan? That's silly. Why on earth would a Giant fan have a better view of a team than someone who actually watches them? Make it make sense.

Lol...do you really think it's difficult to catch most of the Cowboys games? They are literally on TV every week. Trust me...outside fans know far more about the Cowboys than they do of others teams. I've seen some bad takes...but this one is up there.

 

[MikeB80]

The focus of the offense is the passing game, and not the running game. The running game is immaterial in football these days. We were 3-3 without Zeke when he got himself suspended. What hurt the team that season wasn’t the missing RB. It was not having a replacement LT on the roster. Because, while our pass protection is overrated, we still needed a LT who could actually play.

And I didn’t say the line in 2016 was overrated. This isn’t 2016.

The focus of the dallas cowboys has been the running game and being physical. Its been this way for 6 years. Its what other teams prepare for when they play Dallas, the offensive line-tight ends blocking ability and zeke's abilities.

They went 3-3 because the eagles did not play the starters in week 17 and did not care about the game. They won 6-0 and the passing game was awful. The important games in that stretch were the game against philly at home and seattle at home. They got whipped in both and had no ability to throw the ball. Why? Because teams didn't have to key on elliott and dedicating resources to stopping the running game. yes tyron smith was hurt. That should not sink the team.

Maybe this will be a passing first team this year but it has been a running team that wins with physical play from its line and running back for the past 6 years. If it is a passing first team this year I sure hope the guy that showed up on thanksgiving and in week 16 last year doesn't show up.

 

[dckid]

1st fallacy. He’s not asking to be paid like Rodgers,Brees,Brady or any other considered elite QB. He’s asking to be paid the market value of any QB that would have accomplished the same as he has so far. Kirk Cousins landed a historic contract. And what the hell had he done to “earn” it? If Dak played for the Giants the last 4 years with the same productivity. He’d be asking for the same. And the Giants would be paying him. If Jones has the same productivity over the next few years. He will be asking for even more than Dak is now, because that will be his market value. Like it or not. QB’s get paid the largest contract. And that will continue from now on.

2nd fallacy. Dak is only a product of his o line or other talent around him. Roger Staubach was a God to me. And I would never consider comparing him to Dak. But he also had guys like Dorsett, Pearson and many others now in the HOF. In Super Bowl VI he had a whopping 119 yards passing and 2 td’s. While Garrison and Thomas had 169 yards rushing between the two of them. The team had over 200 yards rushing that day. Many of Dak’s critics today would be telling you that Cowboys team could win with any QB and Roger isn’t worth paying. Again. I’m not saying Dak is remotely as talented as Roger. But the fact remains. It takes a number of good to great players and coaching on any team to win consistently. Would we even know who Tom Brady is had he had the misfortune of being drafted by the Browns or any other consistently badly run team? Dak can be paid what he’s asking and still leave the team with plenty of space to provide the necessary talent. Even if he’ll never be considered “Elite”.

And anybody who makes a claim that Dak will never win any “big games” or can’t lead them to a Super Bowl is talking out of their ***. If Eli Manning,Ben Rothlisberger, Nick Foles, Jim McMahon, Mark Rypien, Joe Flacco, Brad Johnson,Jeff Hostetler, and Trent Dilfer can win. Dak Prescott sure as hell can!

Usually I am not a Dak lover by any means.. you have very good points.
My only problem is paying a good player elite money. I understand Cousins got paid. Just because the Vikes were dumb enough to do it doesnt make sense.
Do you think the teams that paid Goff, Jimmy G, Wentz, Cousins are very happy with their choice?
I think we can all agree the salary of the QB has gone up over the past 10 years. Remember Flacco getting paid after the SB. I guarantee the Ravens regretted it, but they still made that dumb move. It took them 6 years to recover. The time to pay Dak was two years ago to a reasonable 20-25 million a year contract. Paying him 36-40 is ludicrous in all honestly.
Do not pay a good player franchise altering money.

 

[black label]

Giants fan here. Not an enemy though. My own son is a huge Cowboys fan and I flew him to Dallas to watch his Cowboys twice. There are plenty of Cowboys fans who can vouch for me. The heck, I watched Cowboys-Giants game at Metlife with @YosemiteSam

With all that said, something my son and I agree on is Dak being a product of Cowboys offensive strength in Offensive Line and Zeke and above avg WR’s.

Dak isn’t bad. But he isn’t the world beater either. He isn’t Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees or Tom Brady. Yet he is asking to be paid as such.

Let him go Dallas. You won’t be sorry.

P.S. I will not post on this thread again. My son asked me to start this thread so he could read counter arguments. Please be respectful knowing a teenage Cowboys fan will be reading what you write about his father.

Peace!

My buddy from long island called me up last night, Hes a 55year old cowboy fan. He said "can we make it through one more day?" I said Hell yeah baby

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Lol...do you really think it's difficult to catch most of the Cowboys games? They are literally on TV every week. Trust me...outside fans know far more about the Cowboys than they do of others teams. I've seen some bad takes...but this one is up there.

If you are catching every Cowboy game.....to the point you are watching them over your own team(Cowboys play the same time as the Giants some weeks) then you are simply a Cowboy fan lol.

You guys kill me always talking about "takes". Alright you disagree with it. That's fine. You'r entitled to it champ. I feel what I feel.

 

[MikeB80]

If you are catching every Cowboy game.....to the point you are watching them over your own team(Cowboys play the same time as the Giants some weeks) then you are simply a Cowboy fan lol.

You guys kill me always talking about "takes". Alright you disagree with it. That's fine. You'r entitled to it champ. I feel what I feel.

I watch all the nfc east games every week and have since about 98. Its especially easy today because of nfl game pass. Not to mention an nfc east team is pretty much always in a primetime game because of their large market size. A giants fan watching all the cowboys games make him a fan of football not a cowboys fan.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I watch all the nfc east games every week and have since about 98. Its especially easy today because of nfl game pass. Not to mention an nfc east team is pretty much always in a primetime game because of their large market size. A giants fan watching all the cowboys games make him a fan of football not a cowboys fan.

IF he's watching the Cowboys over his team then yes. He's a Cowboy fan. To me personally. Now I know this isn't realistic.

And so you tell me you are spending at least 12 hours of football watching every NFC East team play and you can gauge each of them as well as their respective fans can? Is that what you're saying?

 

[Adreme]

I'll take a 33% chance of hitting on a first round QB over a 0% chance of winning with Dak sucking down 35+ million of cap space every year.

I mean I could go down the playoff line and show you tons of QBs who are getting paid in the playoffs and competing. I could show you Jimmy G (who is not in Dak's league) making the SB. Rookie deals make things easy, but the bigger deal is that if you are hitting on a top QB, you probably had other high draft capital that created other big hits (or you are the Chiefs/Ravens and just draft all pro talent because you can) and with all those top players you have a window which closes because it is harder to win consistently when you are drafting in the 20s every year.

 

[Adreme]

It's a matter of the Cowboys having to look at alternatives...we'll have to extend Dalton and draft a QB.

That's just the situation.....when it comes down to it Dak is a victim of:

1) A poor 2018, which meant that the first offer he could be made following his rookie contract was understandably low.
2) An agent who's using Dak to make a name for themselves.

I mean yes it was a poor 2018 (though not terrible), but 2019 kind of set the standard of where he will be paid. He comes anywhere close to that again and he will get more than people on here seem to think and I understand why.

I also get why after playing on a 4th round rookie deal he does not want to offer anymore discounts. It is unfortunate, but Dak knows his value and if he pushes he will get every cent that he wants from a large number of suitors.

 

[mcmvp]

IF he's watching the Cowboys over his team then yes. He's a Cowboy fan. To me personally. Now I know this isn't realistic.

And so you tell me you are spending at least 12 hours of football watching every NFC East team play and you can gauge each of them as well as their respective fans can? Is that what you're saying?

Give me a break… Who said anything about watching the Cowboys over their own team in real time? You do realize this is the year 2020...

 

[MikeB80]

IF he's watching the Cowboys over his team then yes. He's a Cowboy fan. To me personally. Now I know this isn't realistic.

And so you tell me you are spending at least 12 hours of football watching every NFC East team play and you can gauge each of them as well as their respective fans can? Is that what you're saying?

Yes, I have spent the past 20 + years watching all the nfc east games and reading the papers in dc, philly and new york. Its not hard or that time consuming actually. there are 7 days between games. The teams play each other twice a year. It's not hard at all to watch the nfc east teams play.
Many of us do it and it is not even uncommon. Its especially easy today because of nfl game pass and the condensed games.

 

[HungryLion]

he is not top 10

good night

He is absolutely 100% top 10 and it’s not even debatable.

 

[Flamma]

If you are catching every Cowboy game.....to the point you are watching them over your own team(Cowboys play the same time as the Giants some weeks) then you are simply a Cowboy fan lol.

You guys kill me always talking about "takes". Alright you disagree with it. That's fine. You'r entitled to it champ. I feel what I feel.

LOL I love the part about being a Cowboys fan. But seriously, do you have to watch every game to get a reasonable idea about a quarterback? I live in the New York area so I get all Giants games. But only one or two Cowboys games a year are not aired. I'm a Cowboys fan and I don't go out of my way to watch Giants games, but since we play them twice a year and they're on constantly, I believe I know Eli Manning quite well. So yeah, I do believe Giants fans have a pretty good grasp of the potential of a Cowboys quarterback. Maybe not quite as much as Cowboys fans, but they don't harbor any bias either.

Put it this way. I live in an area loaded with Giants and Eagles fans. Most of them hope we break the bank for him.