Dak Prescott’s value was on full display tonight

[Bullflop]

So, Andy gets just one game to prove himself, with a team peppered with stiffs who can't cut the mustard?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

whose your QB then?
because we can't win without one.

The guy who can post a winning record. Exactly who is that guy on our team? So who is this miraculous QB of yours that's going to get us wins with this team? Over the last 16 games he's played in, Dak is 6-10. Will paying Dak make this team better? If so, how? Why in the world would you pay out big money to a player that can't win you games?

See, this is not about how good or bad Dak is. This is about economics and cap going forward.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So, Andy gets just one game to prove himself, with a team peppered with stiffs who can't cut the mustard?

Looks that way but the guy who is 6-10 over the last 16, he gets 50 annually. The NFL is weird right?

 

[RonnieT24]

The guy who can post a winning record. Exactly who is that guy on our team? So who is this miraculous QB of yours that's going to get us wins with this team? Over the last 16 games he's played in, Dak is 6-10. Will paying Dak make this team better? If so, how? Why in the world would you pay out big money to a player that can't win you games?

See, this is not about how good or bad Dak is. This is about economics and cap going forward.

First of all your math is off. We were 2-3 this year with Dak and 5-6 over the last 1 games of last year. That's 7-9. Not a huge difference but we strive for accuracy here. It's also abundantly obvious that if the team could field at least a reasonable facsimile of a defense that record would be a a LOT better.

Secondly.. like I said, signing Dak to a long term deal drops his cap hit about 20 million dollars next year. Do I REALLY need to explain what that could do for us in terms of helping our defense? The good news is that with the way Dalton is playing we will be picking in the top 5 next spring. Get us a monster DT with that pick and watch the defense take off. Diggs and AB are our corners going forward and I am fine with that tandem and Lewis in the slot. Sign Eric Reid to be your safety and the back end is in MUCH better shape. Clearly Earl Thomas is head case that no team appears to want in their locker room. So that dream can just die now. Reid is younger and a better teammate if not quite as good a player.

 

[Bullflop]

Looks that way but the guy who is 6-10 over the last 16, he gets 50 annually. The NFL is weird right?

Yep, seems like a whole lot depends upon being in the right place at the right time. That's life, I guess!

 

[Vtwin]

Umm.. read again.. I said "sign Dak to a 10 year deal at 50 million per." If you're going to argue at least argue what I said versus what you want to believe .. If Dak pockets 100 million dollars the day of signing then close to another 100 million over the next 5 years in salary he is straight WINNING. How much more "cashing in" does one need to do? Then at the 5 year mark after all the guarantees are done they can sit down and redo the contract .. They can give him a raise if he is still ballin (yeah a raise from 50 million a year) .. or they can cut ties if he's not. Either way, Dak makes close to 200 million over the next 5 years and there is ZERO reason for him to be wanting a short term deal. In fact if the cap DOES drop the next couple of years the short term deal would be his worst move because the bucket will have shrunk on him while he was playing out that deal.

My bad.

Maybe I read it correctly but my subconscious took control and rejected the notion of paying Dak six hundred million dollars.

If the Cowboys offered, and Dak accepted, a five year deal at 35 million with bonus and guarantees comparable to other recent contracts he would pocket more than that 200 million in five years with the opportunity to negotiate a new contract at current rates. That is being conservative as he will likely negotiate for more than 35 per.

There is no reason to expect that Dak will agree to a contract that nets him less money over five years and gives him no control over the next five years. Like you said, after five years the team holds all the cards and Dak risks never seeing the rest of that contract and ended up making less than if he signed a five year deal for less per year.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

First of all your math is off. We were 2-3 this year with Dak and 5-6 over the last 1 games of last year. That's 7-9. Not a huge difference but we strive for accuracy here. It's also abundantly obvious that if the team could field at least a reasonable facsimile of a defense that record would be a a LOT better.

Secondly.. like I said, signing Dak to a long term deal drops his cap hit about 20 million dollars next year. Do I REALLY need to explain what that could do for us in terms of helping our defense? The good news is that with the way Dalton is playing we will be picking in the top 5 next spring. Get us a monster DT with that pick and watch the defense take off. Diggs and AB are our corners going forward and I am fine with that tandem and Lewis in the slot. Sign Eric Reid to be your safety and the back end is in MUCH better shape. Clearly Earl Thomas is head case that no team appears to want in their locker room. So that dream can just die now. Reid is younger and a better teammate if not quite as good a player.

Dak won the Falcons game. He did not win the Giants game, he left the game with injury before it was over. So no, the record is 6-10.

If's and buts, so what? If we had this, if we had that, what difference does any of that make? If you are "Paying The Man", how are you going to get better on the Defensive side of the ball? If he can't win with all the talent he has on Offense and he still needs a Pro Bowl Defense as well, then what's the point of paying him but more to the fact, how do you do that with the cap situation? The answer is you can't so like it or not, that's the truth of it.

First of all, you don't know what the cap hit is against Dak next year because there is no deal. Do I have to explain to you what it is that you don't know? Don't talk to me like you know anything anybody else doesn't.

Dak's cap hit isn't going to drop 20 mil but whatever, how does that help us? What DT are you going to draft next year that takes us over the top? What about LBs? What about an impact Safety? What about an edge rusher that can get home? What about a LT for that matter? Dak needs all these things to win, apparently. How is paying Dak some kind of record deal going to get us there?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yep, seems like a whole lot depends upon being in the right place at the right time. That's life, I guess!

Yep.

 

[RonnieT24]

Dak won the Falcons game. He did not win the Giants game, he left the game with injury before it was over. So no, the record is 6-10.

If's and buts, so what? If we had this, if we had that, what difference does any of that make? If you are "Paying The Man", how are you going to get better on the Defensive side of the ball? If he can't win with all the talent he has on Offense and he still needs a Pro Bowl Defense as well, then what's the point of paying him but more to the fact, how do you do that with the cap situation? The answer is you can't so like it or not, that's the truth of it.

First of all, you don't know what the cap hit is against Dak next year because there is no deal. Do I have to explain to you what it is that you don't know? Don't talk to me like you know anything anybody else doesn't.

Dak's cap hit isn't going to drop 20 mil but whatever, how does that help us? What DT are you going to draft next year that takes us over the top? What about LBs? What about an impact Safety? What about an edge rusher that can get home? What about a LT for that matter? Dak needs all these things to win, apparently. How is paying Dak some kind of record deal going to get us there?

If you look up his record in 2020 it says 2-3. YOU are the one who said "he's 6-10 in the last 16 games he's played." Don't get mad at me and try to move the target cause you were wrong. It happens. He also left the Giants game with a lead and having led the offense to two straight 75 yard TD drives and was 18 yards away from a third straight. I feel fairly confident in saying he was in command of that game and it was about to turn into a blowout until that other dude came in a fumbled the lead away. If Dak signs the Cowboys can drop his cap hit immediately. If they franchise him again the cap hit will be in the area of 38 million. You think after what we witnessed last night they are going to let him walk? Puff puff pass whatever it is you're smoking...

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

What value are we talking about? if Dak had started the result would be the same - a loss.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

If you look up his record in 2020 it says 2-3. YOU are the one who said "he's 6-10 in the last 16 games he's played." Don't get mad at me and try to move the target cause you were wrong. It happens. He also left the Giants game with a lead and having led the offense to two straight 75 yard TD drives and was 18 yards away from a third straight. I feel fairly confident in saying he was in command of that game and it was about to turn into a blowout until that other dude came in a fumbled the lead away. If Dak signs the Cowboys can drop his cap hit immediately. If they franchise him again the cap hit will be in the area of 38 million. You think after what we witnessed last night they are going to let him walk? Puff puff pass whatever it is you're smoking...

When you look at 16 games that includes games from last season - yes he is 6-10. So what exactly are we talking about here? We should pay a guy like an Elite QB for being better than Andy Dalton? LOL, this is why this team is so messed up. In the salary cap era, you pay for true talent. Which means you don't pay for RB's and DE's who have a couple of good years. You don't pay WR's who disappear when the team is on the road.

 

[SportsGuru80]

Wait I was told Dalton was good...

 

[Vandyr]

Wait I was told Dalton was good...

He had the same passing yards and touchdowns as Dak in week 1, so you tell me

 

[SportsGuru80]

He had the same passing yards and touchdowns as Dak in week 1, so you tell me

You can't be serious...

 

[Vandyr]

You can't be serious...

Oh, but I am.

 

[MrPeanutbutter]

Dak Prescott is worth every penny if that’s what we get without him

 

[RonnieT24]

He had the same passing yards and touchdowns as Dak in week 1, so you tell me

You are correct sir.. He had the same passing yards on 15 more attempts and threw in two more interceptions for good measure. So lower completion percentage, lower yards per attempt (BY ALMOST TWO YARDS!) and fewer points overall. Other than that their performances were pretty much identical. We're definitely on the same page now.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Dak would have kept us in the game. Dalton has no chemistry with this receiver corps. With the state of the offensive line, Dalton has zero chance of success.

There is no way this team wins the division with this many injuries. MM’d job is going to depend on his ability to get this team to turn its attitude around and stay competitive.

true, we likely lose but not by 28

 

[rags]

Being without Dak makes me think of the lyrics to singer Joni Mitchell's song Big Yellow Taxi:

"Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone".

 

[Vandyr]

You are correct sir.. He had the same passing yards on 15 more attempts and threw in two more interceptions for good measure. So lower completion percentage, lower yards per attempt (BY ALMOST TWO YARDS!) and fewer points overall. Other than that their performances were pretty much identical. We're definitely on the same page now.

We are. They're both average quarterbacks. But I'll throw you a bone - I do think Dak is a better quarterback than Dalton.