Twitter: Dak's stock keeps rising

[Praxit]

...well, Dak got his wish The Jones are going to dish out a nice contract to #4. Every game is adding to his stock. ..

 

[RonnieT24]

I guess if we accept it that his stock is rising, then it is getting him out of Dallas. Dallas is not going to pay more than they proposed this year. Especially now after injury. So he would be a footnote in the Cowboys history books. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

So they are not going to tag him just let him walk and draft a QB with their top pick and HOPE the defense magically gets better without adding a first round stud to it and that whoever they draft becomes the one in a thousand? rookie QBs to lead a team to the playoffs?

Talk about a house of cards..

 

[RonnieT24]

I'm a fan of the Cowboys so I'd love to be wrong on this one. I'm just not though. All you have to do is look at the games and or the scoring logs to see that this checks out. You don't base your opinions on facts in front of your eyes if you can't see when Dak and the team scores all these points and stats y'all love to tout. Definitely don't have a great QB because if we did he would've been singed and not Kirk Cousined.

Yeah because if there's anything we can take to the bank it's that this front office has NEVER been wrong about a player.... I know personally I can't think of a single time they've missed .. Can you?

 

[Flamma]

not sure a rookie QB even Lawrence or fields are locl to make us better they could be busts, thats the issue do you take qb when you have one you know can at least handle the job 10th ranked qb in te nfl ? that tough question..

When you're in position to draft a top prospect at QB you better be totally sold on what you already have if you don't draft that player.

You have to weigh the risk VS the reward. The risk is obvious. The reward is you have a QB on a 5 year rookie deal. A 5 year window to stack the team without worrying about the enormous QB cap hit. Look at Romo. Another good QB that did what?

 

[Brax]

I don't know how old you are but I had a ton of little nicks when I was in my mid 20's that healed up in a week or two. Since there was not structural damage Dak's shoulder was probably a bruise/contusion. Still hurt like hell a week later.. gone the week after. I could run you off a list a mile long of injuries that fell into that category for me at that age. Those same injuries took twice as long in my 30s and 40s and I shudder to think how long they would take now that I'm in my 60's. My task now is to try not to get hurt again.. I get that you hate Dak.. but your hate won't change reality.

Zero hate for Dak in fact I like him, I think he is a good QB nothing more, the homer view is he is some game changer elite QB which he is not. Dak said the shoulder wasn't a problem so no excuses (except for Dak homers), just simply another bad game. Dak apologists need to see reality, the whole Dak question will be mute when Jerry signs him and as anyone knows Jerry's QB evaluation is about as poor as it gets and that should tell you all you need to know about Dak, simply put a good QB at drawing elite money is not taking this franchise anywhere and that is the reality you and the homers just can't see because you are a player fan first and are blinded by that player love.

 

[G2]

Zero hate for Dak in fact I like him, I think he is a good QB nothing more, the homer view is he is some game changer elite QB which he is not. Dak said the shoulder wasn't a problem so no excuses (except for Dak homers), just simply another bad game. Dak apologists need to see reality, the whole Dak question will be mute when Jerry signs him and as anyone knows Jerry's QB evaluation is about as poor as it gets and that should tell you all you need to know about Dak, simply put a good QB at drawing elite money is not taking this franchise anywhere and that is the reality you and the homers just can't see because you are a player fan first and are blinded by that player love.

Explain what the excuse was to take this franchise anywhere the first 4 seasons both he and Elliott were on a rookie contract.
I'm thinking Prescott if612 top 6-10 ish. So you sign him and build the defense, which they haven't done in decades. I can't imagine how badly we would have been beaten had Dalton/DiNucci played from the beginning. There's no way either would have had this offense ranked no in the NFL. We would have gotten creamed. That's the difference Prescott brings. Saying he is just "good" is disingenuous.

 

[Brax]

Explain what the excuse was to take this franchise anywhere the first 4 seasons both he and Elliott were on a rookie contract.
I'm thinking Prescott if612 top 6-10 ish. So you sign him and build the defense, which they haven't done in decades. I can't imagine how badly we would have been beaten had Dalton/DiNucci played from the beginning. There's no way either would have had this offense ranked no in the NFL. We would have gotten creamed. That's the difference Prescott brings. Saying he is just "good" is disingenuous.

Good , what is the problem with that, the team was built around Daks weaknesses and that was on the offensive side of the ball, like it or not the D was around the 10 spot last year and it made no difference , believing Dak is in the top 10 is disingenuous Dak lies somewhere in the 11-20 spot which is a good QB by NFL standards but when the large majority of the cap dollars are needed on offense to hide his short comings that hurts the team. Dak on a team with the bears Defense is what he needs unfortunately good Ds require $$$ players and require a mid $$$ QB which Dak will not take. Ls are loses and stats against crap Ds don't mean a lot to me. Pay Dak as a good QB rate and build the D no problem paying Dak 32 million or more and you just get more Ls than Ws.

 

[G2]

Good , what is the problem with that, the team was built around Daks weaknesses and that was on the offensive side of the ball, like it or not the D was around the 10 spot last year and it made no difference , believing Dak is in the top 10 is disingenuous Dak lies somewhere in the 11-20 spot which is a good QB by NFL standards but when the large majority of the cap dollars are needed on offense to hide his short comings that hurts the team. Dak on a team with the bears Defense is what he needs unfortunately good Ds require $$$ players and require a mid $$$ QB which Dak will not take. Ls are loses and stats against crap Ds don't mean a lot to me. Pay Dak as a good QB rate and build the D no problem paying Dak 32 million or more and you just get more Ls than Ws.

You didn't answer the question. He was getting paid under a million a year for 4 seasons, where was the defensive rebuilding?

 

[Philmonroe]

Yeah because if there's anything we can take to the bank it's that this front office has NEVER been wrong about a player.... I know personally I can't think of a single time they've missed .. Can you?

What does this strawman have to do with what was actually quoted?

 

[McKDaddy]

How in the hell would trading a franchise QB and taking a risk on an unknown draft pick benefit the Cowboys? Are you even listening you your own logic? Jeez our fans are the absolute most uninformed.

Are you sure we are uninformed? Perhaps you just don't understand as much as you think you do. I believe the conversation you snipped this statement from had reached the point where we were discussing what happens if Dak & Cowboys couldn't reach a deal. If Dak wants more than we can afford while bettering the team around him, then its best for both sides to move on. If he would agree to do a sign & trade, it would not only free up the cap but add additional resources to acquire talent. A win on all fronts.

Make no mistake about it, resources to acquire talent via the draft, trade or free agency is the engine that drives the league. Those resources are cap space, draft picks and tradeable players. See how Dak could be the tradeable player that nets you the other two?

 

[Brax]

You didn't answer the question. He was getting paid under a million a year for 4 seasons, where was the defensive rebuilding?

There wasn't D building because all the $$$$ were paid to O players needed to support Dak including a #1 pick for a WR, that is the reality of it, the best shot was 2016 and it has been down hill since. A #10 D wasn't bad was it last year regardless of what some say, the D showed up in games last year and the O failed time and time again against better Ds and just disappeared for half the game in many others, god Josh Allen beat them. Jerry believes Offense wins championships and that the philosophy in Dallas and D is a second thought and done as cheaply as possible. Terrible decisions on defensive player contracts and drafting broken, injury prone and substance dependent players along with bargain basement FA for cheap $$$ doesn't work but that's Jerry. Like I said because Jerry is so football stupid he will pay Dak top dollar and all it will be is stats against the bad Ds and a lot of Ls against the good Ds.

 

[blueblood70]

When you're in position to draft a top prospect at QB you better be totally sold on what you already have if you don't draft that player.

You have to weigh the risk VS the reward. The risk is obvious. The reward is you have a QB on a 5 year rookie deal. A 5 year window to stack the team without worrying about the enormous QB cap hit. Look at Romo. Another good QB that did what?

If hes a QB like we see more and in the NFL as top 10 pick like Daniel Jones, Haskins, Johnny football, Tebow, and in the past big time busts and not working out , you better be 100% sold on the draft pick, having 5 years of BAD QB pay or something that looks like Jameis Winston, in between bust and good, you cant waste a top pick on qb when you need so much on defense. If the best we can hope for is somewhere in between like dak or Cousins type, is that worth taking them over stud defender? i mean you have that player already in dak and in 2022 im betting a lot of contracts are cut loose with trades and cuts to Cooper, Zeke, Dlaw ,and others..so you start your rebuild on defense now, and 2022 you have Dak and fill in around him..

seriously if Dak gets FT , go all defense heavy and worry about the qb later maybe dak gets signed..

a lot of scenarios will play out in the next 12 months for sure..going to be crazy and the only thing that makes me feel a little better is garrets not here and I believe MM will help Jerry make the right decisions.. i know fans think MM was mistake but i believe he will have much better feel for dealing with that top 5 draft pick and Dak..

Mm isnt tied emotionally to a lot of our players and he and his staff can truly make an unbias recommendation for Jerry, Mclay and Stephen to make..

 

[CATCH17]

Are you sure we are uninformed? Perhaps you just don't understand as much as you think you do. I believe the conversation you snipped this statement from had reached the point where we were discussing what happens if Dak & Cowboys couldn't reach a deal. If Dak wants more than we can afford while bettering the team around him, then its best for both sides to move on. If he would agree to do a sign & trade, it would not only free up the cap but add additional resources to acquire talent. A win on all fronts.

Make no mistake about it, resources to acquire talent via the draft, trade or free agency is the engine that drives the league. Those resources are cap space, draft picks and tradeable players. See how Dak could be the tradeable player that nets you the other two?

If they would actually play legit hardball with Dak instead of playing nice Dak would sign whatever deal they put in front of him.

The problem is Dak knows they are suckers who will eventually cave.

They had several opportunities to gain leverage last offseason and they chose not to.


Dallas sucks.. WE need a lot.. Paying Dak locks us into mediocrity. It's obvious to everyone except the Jones's and a few Dak homers.

The Jones's have that old football mentality so asking them to draft a QB scares them. All they can think about is the negatives. Just too conservative.

MEanwhile.. Alex Smith out.. Mahomes in...

Josh Rosen out after 1 year.. KYler Murray in...

Jameis Winston? 1st pick? Only 25? You lead the league in passing? Don't care.. Hello Tom Brady.

Your move Dallas. I bet it's going to be super predictable and beneficial to Dak and his agent and not the TEAM.

 

[G2]

There wasn't D building because all the $$$$ were paid to O players needed to support Dak including a #1 pick for a WR, that is the reality of it, the best shot was 2016 and it has been down hill since. A #10 D wasn't bad was it last year regardless of what some say, the D showed up in games last year and the O failed time and time again against better Ds and just disappeared for half the game in many others, god Josh Allen beat them. Jerry believes Offense wins championships and that the philosophy in Dallas and D is a second thought and done as cheaply as possible. Terrible decisions on defensive player contracts and drafting broken, injury prone and substance dependent players along with bargain basement FA for cheap $$$ doesn't work but that's Jerry. Like I said because Jerry is so football stupid he will pay Dak top dollar and all it will be is stats against the bad Ds and a lot of Ls against the good Ds.

We don't have a top 10 defense. We don't have a top 20 or 30. If we had at the very least an average top 15 defense and Prescott was healthy doing what the offense was doing when he had a No. 1 offense, we're fine. But, once again, we ignore the DL and sign scraps in FA. There was money to get better players. This isn't about Prescott. We would still be able to pay him and other players, but the FO is 100% useless in FA and drafting quality defensive players. Let Prescott go and we take an enormous step backward.

 

[Brax]

We don't have a top 10 defense. We don't have a top 20 or 30. If we had at the very least an average top 15 defense and Prescott was healthy doing what the offense was doing when he had a No. 1 offense, we're fine. But, once again, we ignore the DL and sign scraps in FA. There was money to get better players. This isn't about Prescott. We would still be able to pay him and other players, but the FO is 100% useless in FA and drafting quality defensive players. Let Prescott go and we take an enormous step backward.

We agree on some points and disagree on others, they had a better than top 15 D last year paying Dak 2.5 million, no playoffs, and loses against better Ds so what's overpaying Dak going to do??? This year is a total disaster from the FA to the coaching staff to bloated salaried players doing squat so yes lets over pay Dak so the team can get better with all the extra dollars that will be available after paying Dak elite money for his good talent skill level, yes sounds like a winning plan the Jones boys will come with.

 

[G2]

We agree on some points and disagree on others, they had a better than top 15 D last year paying Dak 2.5 million, no playoffs, and loses against better Ds so what's overpaying Dak going to do??? This year is a total disaster from the FA to the coaching staff to bloated salaried players doing squat so yes lets over pay Dak so the team can get better with all the extra dollars that will be available after paying Dak elite money for his good talent skill level, yes sounds like a winning plan the Jones boys will come with.

My point was that if we had the same defense from last year and this years offense we're doing better.
This isn't about Prescott. When you find a franchise QB, you seal it.
The problem is extending contracts early (Elliott), paying top dollar for Lawrence and then signing scabs in FA who aren't even on the roster anymore. And, they had money to sign quality defensive players AFTER tagging Prescott.

So, even if you underpay Dak, what has the FO proved to you to make you so confident that's the winning formula? Because they had 4 years!

 

[RonnieT24]

What does this strawman have to do with what was actually quoted?

You claimed that if Dak were great he would not have been treated like Cousins. That would indicate that you agree with the front office that he is not great... I was merely highlighting the front office's stellar history over the last 25 years as evidence why we should absolutely trust them in their decision vis a vis Dak.. and Zeke.. and Jaylon... and Tank and ... drafting Mo Claiborne ... and letting Anthony Hitchens walk ... and re-signing Jason Garrett after three straight 8-8 seasons... Drafting.. coaching hires.. knowing who to keep and who to let go.. Their record is unimpeachable.. Right?

 

[Brax]

My point was that if we had the same defense from last year and this years offense we're doing better.
This isn't about Prescott. When you find a franchise QB, you seal it.
The problem is extending contracts early (Elliott), paying top dollar for Lawrence and then signing scabs in FA who aren't even on the roster anymore. And, they had money to sign quality defensive players AFTER tagging Prescott.

So, even if you underpay Dak, what has the FO proved to you to make you so confident that's the winning formula? Because they had 4 years!

Reread my post, the FO is the major problem, and the FO is Jerry, bad contracts are the reason for those and Daks pending cap hit, no good FA is signing a 1 year deal. Jerry screwed up with Elliot, Dlaw, J Smith and the bottom feeders are all that are signing to what amounts to 1 year deals, add a backward head coach and you see the results. What are those quality FA's that are signing a 1 year deal with Jerry if you don't mind. telling us. Bottom line is you believe Dak is a franchise QB I do not and over paying for talent he doesn't have is just dooming the franchise for all those years he will be paid IMO.

 

[phildadon86]

If they would actually play legit hardball with Dak instead of playing nice Dak would sign whatever deal they put in front of him.

The problem is Dak knows they are suckers who will eventually cave.

They had several opportunities to gain leverage last offseason and they chose not to.


Dallas sucks.. WE need a lot.. Paying Dak locks us into mediocrity. It's obvious to everyone except the Jones's and a few Dak homers.

The Jones's have that old football mentality so asking them to draft a QB scares them. All they can think about is the negatives. Just too conservative.

MEanwhile.. Alex Smith out.. Mahomes in...

Josh Rosen out after 1 year.. KYler Murray in...

Jameis Winston? 1st pick? Only 25? You lead the league in passing? Don't care.. Hello Tom Brady.

Your move Dallas. I bet it's going to be super predictable and beneficial to Dak and his agent and not the TEAM.

Oh wow. You have brought up the 3 times teams have succeeded in replacing a QB. Were you around here after Aikman? How many years did it take us to find Romo? First round QBs bust a lot more than do well.

 

[RonnieT24]

My point was that if we had the same defense from last year and this years offense we're doing better.
This isn't about Prescott. When you find a franchise QB, you seal it.
The problem is extending contracts early (Elliott), paying top dollar for Lawrence and then signing scabs in FA who aren't even on the roster anymore. And, they had money to sign quality defensive players AFTER tagging Prescott.

So, even if you underpay Dak, what has the FO proved to you to make you so confident that's the winning formula? Because they had 4 years!

Exactly, people keep trotting out the same old tripe that you can't pay Dak and build a good team.. Nonsense.. They paid him 31 million this year and still were like 25 million under the cap when free agency began. They could have dropped 20 on Clowney had they been of a mind to.. Or signed Earl Thomas.. or hell I would have been happy with Eric Reid.. They could have re-signed Byron. THEY made the decision to go with "hope" on the defensive side of the ball. Hope Poe and McCoy shore up the run defense.. Hope Crawford has recovered from double hip surgery. Hope the young corners can step up and come anywhere near what Byron gave us.. Hope the inexperienced safeties don't blow coverages.. Hope Nolan's complex defense can be learned without OTAs. And now it's HOPE a rookie QB can do what Dak was doing even though no QB in the history of the league ever did what Dak was doing and a miracle will happen to fix our defense. I repeat.. GTFOH.